Can We Have A New Attribute Please?

[+PopUpPirate]

Snowmobiles, or ticks, or snakes aren't much of an issue (well, generally, in the UK), wouldn't it be handy to have an attribute icon for cattle and/or farm dogs?

 

Thanks!

 

Edited July 23, 2006 by PopUpPirate

[+bobuk]

Snowmobiles, or ticks, or snakes aren't much of an issue (well, generally, in the UK), wouldn't it be handy to have an attribute icon for cattle and/or farm dogs?

 

Thanks!

 

 

i dont really know but i think you can bet your cotton socks that we dont have any control over attributes..it will be from the other side of the pond...

 

b.

[+Hi-Tek]

Snowmobiles, or ticks, or snakes aren't much of an issue (well, generally, in the UK), wouldn't it be handy to have an attribute icon for cattle and/or farm dogs?

 

Thanks!

 

You forgot "Dog Poo"

[+miss_butterfly]

and irrate farmers

[+Jango & Boba Fett]

... wouldn't it be handy to have an attribute icon for cattle and/or farm dogs?

If this is a genuine concern then why not move the thread/repost in the Geocaching.com Web Site area of the forum which is there to Discuss new features (or feature requests), bugs, etc. specific to the Geocaching.com site.. If you go and look there you will see that TPTB do respond to non-US cachers concerns.

 

Second suggestion is stay up tomorrow night until 01:30 on Tuesday morning (yes I know about the tautology) and joining the ClayJar discussion. We will await developments PopUpPirate so keep us posted.

 

Anyway cows are no problem, having your own CacheHound helps with farm dogs but a Gardening Gloves under Special Equipment might be useful, though having checked back through caches that I have done which were hidden in gorse/brambles/nettles very few of the cache setters had activated the thorns attribute. By there very nature livestock get moved around by farmers so it would possibly be more apposite to have a statement in the short description saying please be aware this cache is placed on a working farm and livestock may be present, or some such.

[+Tiger-Eyes]

 

By there very nature livestock get moved around by farmers so it would possibly be more apposite to have a statement in the short description saying please be aware this cache is placed on a working farm and livestock may be present, or some such.

One of the caches I placed recently is on land occasionally used to graze cattle or sheep so I just added this line to my cache page

 

The land surrounding the ruins is used for livestock so please keep dogs on a lead if livestock are present (and watch were you walk).

 

And ticks as far as I am aware can be found almost anywhere especially if there is long vegetation so common sense should prevail

[+Jango & Boba Fett]

Only 1 1/2 hours to go to the ClayJar discussion starts PopUpPirate, so we look forward to your report of how the discussion of your mooted new attribute went. Not sure if I can last another 2 hours so may miss the fun meself.

 

I've added my pennies worth to your new thread on Livestock Attribute, so we'll see what happens.

 

Go see Jeremeys suggested icon - no bull

Edited July 25, 2006 by Jango & Boba Fett

[+Jango & Boba Fett]

I hope all those cachers who have had run ins with cattle in the past have noticed that PopupPirate has a thread on the main GC.com Area which has attracted comment from Denmark and the Mid-West but so far from none of the previous UK Cachers who have suffered Bovine Bullying - I take it that you have all conquered your taurophobia.

 

If not, and if you feel that there is a genuine need for such an atribute perhabs you might like to pop by and post your concerns in support of PopupPirate.

 

In case you've forgotten who you are then in the last couple of months here's a selection of those who have mentioned over friendly cattle as being a problem in the UK Forum:

1. allieballie
   
2. Chris n Maria
   
3. civilised
   
4. Cushag
   
5. Drgnsrealm
   
6. Happy Humphrey
   
7. Helen in Mustardland
   
8. KandG
   
9. lathama
   
10. LollyBob
    
11. markandlynn
    
12. MMattyK
    
13. Nediam
    
14. Rose_Thorn
    
15. Sensei TSKC
    
16. Stora
    
17. Suscrofa
    
18. The Davis Crew
    

Edited July 25, 2006 by Jango & Boba Fett

[+doctor scotland]

if you want a new attribute, then go for it!

 

some time ago i requested a buggy friendly attribute to indicate whether it would be possible for parents to push their kids (in their pushcairs) towards a cache.

after a couple of months the idea was accepted - we now have the buggy friendly ( stroller friendly, or whatever) icon to attach to cache pages.

we can now decide whether or not a cache will be reachable with kids in wheels!

 

so, good luck with your idea, and maybe produce a new topic on the lines of is this a good/bad idea?

[+Sensei TSKC]

The thing is, a new attribute of the bovine kind or not, it won't stop me going for the cache!!!

[+stora]

The thing is, a new attribute of the bovine kind or not, it won't stop me going for the cache!!!

 

Same here but I would leave the dog and kids at home for caches with bulls in the field.

[+PopUpPirate]

I hope all those cachers who have had run ins with cattle in the past have noticed that PopupPirate has a thread on the main GC.com Area which has attracted comment from Denmark and the Mid-West but so far from none of the previous UK Cachers who have suffered Bovine Bullying - I take it that you have all conquered your taurophobia.

 

If not, and if you feel that there is a genuine need for such an atribute perhabs you might like to pop by and post your concerns in support of PopupPirate.

 

In case you've forgotten who you are then in the last couple of months here's a selection of those who have mentioned over friendly cattle as being a problem in the UK Forum:

1. allieballie
   
2. Chris n Maria
   
3. civilised
   
4. Cushag
   
5. Drgnsrealm
   
6. Happy Humphrey
   
7. Helen in Mustardland
   
8. KandG
   
9. lathama
   
10. LollyBob
    
11. markandlynn
    
12. MMattyK
    
13. Nediam
    
14. Rose_Thorn
    
15. Sensei TSKC
    
16. Stora
    
17. Suscrofa
    
18. The Davis Crew
    

 

Many thanks for your support Jango, much appreciated!

[The Royles]

The thing is, a new attribute of the bovine kind or not, it won't stop me going for the cache!!!

From previous topics, you would have forgoten they were there anyway

[+Jango & Boba Fett]

i dont really know but i think you can bet your cotton socks that we dont have any control over attributes..it will be from the other side of the pond...

 

The thing is, a new attribute of the bovine kind or not, it won't stop me going for the cache!!!

 

Same here but I would leave the dog and kids at home for caches with bulls in the field.

Fair enough. I personally have no problems with cattle, but then I'm a teuchter and grew up around cattle. My point is don't post here but in PopupPirate's thread in the main area for discussing Geocaching.com Web Site requests. At the moment no one from the UK Forum appart from PopupPirate who is the OP and myself has posted on the thread. Mind you being a Scot I'm used to the all talk and no trousers approach.

 

That's a self depricating joke in case you didn't get it.

[+Sensei TSKC]

The thing is, a new attribute of the bovine kind or not, it won't stop me going for the cache!!!

From previous topics, you would have forgoten they were there anyway

What were where?

 

[+Jango & Boba Fett]

Don't be so sure, maybe it wasn't Muggles but Mooo-ggles that got your cache Sensei TSKC

 

[+Torry]

Great idea on the new icon... Might even want to add one for gates that must be kept closed. Farmers might not appreciate our activities if Buck and Gee get out because somebody was looking for an ammo box.

[Dave from Glanton]

Might even want to add one for gates that must be kept closed.

I think that one's probably taken as a given. The Countryside Code states that you should leave gates as you found them - I imagine that being a generally conscientious bunch, geocachers follow this code.

[+Haggis Hunter]

The thing is, a new attribute of the bovine kind or not, it won't stop me going for the cache!!!

 

Same here but I would leave the dog and kids at home for caches with bulls in the field.

I have a cache that is situated in a field with cattle, I certainly would use the icon for that cache if it was available. At the moment I have the no dogs attribute and it states in the descritption that there is cattle in the field and dogs are not allowed because of this.

 

Bring this up on the GC.com forum and post a link here and I will support it. I personally don't mind entering a field with cattle. But it is dangerous to do so with a dog, and lots of people don't like cattle so it's a good suggestion.

[+BareClawz]

Talking of problems, I'm moving a waypoint as the previous had been destroyed. Having found a good spot I just hope nobody goes through the gate near the cache. But then having a 7' high fence topped with barbed wire and the gate having 5 padlocks on it might be enough of a deterrant. Where some cache hunters are concerned I'm not so sure. At least it's not near a certain Senseis area

 

BareClawz

[+thekennelat79]

Cattle? Sheep? No problem!

 

Just do what I do and take a couple of working Border Collies along with you!

(For those that don't know, they are the black and white sheepdogs)

 

If there are any cattle or sheep around, they take one look at the dogs and decide that they don't really want to be rounded up, thank you very much! They usually walk away and stand in a far corner of the field, eating grass, and pretending that the dogs don't really exist!

 

All I have to do after that is to stop the dogs herding up the stock and driving them back to my car, but as they say, that's another story.

[+Jango & Boba Fett]

Cattle? Sheep? No problem! Just do what I do and take a couple of working Border Collies along with you!

 

If there are any cattle or sheep around, they take one look at the dogs and decide that they don't really want to be rounded up, thank you very much! They usually walk away and stand in a far corner of the field, eating grass, and pretending that the dogs don't really exist!

Good joke thekennelat79 but do bare in mind that, as the Ramblers Association point out, for most of the nine walkers that were killed by livestock in the last decade their dogs were a contributory factor - link.

Great! Thanks for the great cow icon. Should it just be called "Cattle"?

Well done PopupPirate last hurdle now that TPTB are after a name for

your new attribute.

 

You're a Gent PP

Edited July 28, 2006 by Jango & Boba Fett

[+Johnmelad]

Cattle? Sheep? No problem! Just do what I do and take a couple of working Border Collies along with you!

 

If there are any cattle or sheep around, they take one look at the dogs and decide that they don't really want to be rounded up, thank you very much! They usually walk away and stand in a far corner of the field, eating grass, and pretending that the dogs don't really exist!

Good joke thekennelat79 but do bare in mind that, as the Ramblers Association point out, for most of the nine walkers that were killed by livestock in the last decade their dogs were a contributory factor - link.

Great! Thanks for the great cow icon. Should it just be called "Cattle"?

Well done PopupPirate last hurdle now that TPTB are after a name for

your new attribute.

 

Your a Gent PP

 

This from the BBC article made me smile:

"The spokesman said: "There is legislation in place which covers the safety and behaviour of many animals. "

 

Have the animals read this legislation?

[+Torry]

Cattle? Sheep? No problem! Just do what I do and take a couple of working Border Collies along with you!

 

If there are any cattle or sheep around, they take one look at the dogs and decide that they don't really want to be rounded up, thank you very much! They usually walk away and stand in a far corner of the field, eating grass, and pretending that the dogs don't really exist!

Good joke thekennelat79 but do bare in mind that, as the Ramblers Association point out, for most of the nine walkers that were killed by livestock in the last decade their dogs were a contributory factor - link.

Great! Thanks for the great cow icon. Should it just be called "Cattle"?

Well done PopupPirate last hurdle now that TPTB are after a name for

your new attribute.

 

You're a Gent PP

Woo-woo!

 

Is "Livestock" an appropriate moniker?

[+Johnmelad]

"Border Collies are smarter than the ordinary dog!

 

If they are so smart, why are they trying to heard cattle and take them to your car, last time I looked cattle looked nothing like sheep!

[Fiona Eliza & Florence]

Yesterdays news said there was a rattle snake in Staffordshire!!! maybe we do need this icon

[+Dorsetgal & GeoDog]

<snip> or ticks, or snakes aren't much of an issue (well, generally, in the UK)<snip>

 

Whilst I think the suggestion of a livestock attribute is perfectly worthy, I think you will find there are plenty of caches in areas where ticks and snakes are a problem, and those attributes are perfectly valid. It is just a shame that many cache owners don't use them where appropriate.

 

You only have to read the tick thread to realise this.

 

AS a general rule, you can presume all heathland in South Dorset provides appropriate habitat for all 6 British reptiles, including the adder, a bite from which can easily kill a dog if not attended to quickly.

Edited July 30, 2006 by Dorsetgal & GeoDog

[+Haggis Hunter]

<snip> or ticks, or snakes aren't much of an issue (well, generally, in the UK)<snip>

 

Whilst I think the suggestion of a livestock attribute is perfectly worthy, I think you will find there are plenty of caches in areas where ticks and snakes are a problem, and those attributes are perfectly valid. It is just a shame that many cache owners don't use them where appropriate.

 

You only have to read the tick thread to realise this.

 

AS a general rule, you can presume all heathland in South Dorset provides appropriate habitat for all 6 British reptiles, including the adder, a bite from which can easily kill a dog if not attended to quickly.

I've got to agree with this. Although people believe adders to be harmless, they are poisenous, but don't cause a threat to people. I do know of someone whos Westie got bitten by an adder, and it died from the bite.

 

For those that don't realise an adders most favourite hiding place is gorse!!

 

As for ticks I removed one from my dog just last week.

[+Cave Troll and Eeyore]

Anyone wanting to add the livestock attribute to their cache pages can now do so

[+Jango & Boba Fett]

Updated the attributes on one of mine - nice work PopupPirate

[+PopUpPirate]

Yay its working! Cheers to all! Added to Springwatch.

Edited August 2, 2006 by PopUpPirate

[+BedlingtonDuo]

Updated the attributes on one of mine - nice work PopupPirate

 

Not a moment too soon for this icon. Annette (my Wife) is currently nursing a fractured rib and serious bruising after being attacked by a cow (she was nearly killled and that is no understatement) which went for our dog (Max was on a very short lead and did nothing to intimidate the cows) This one particular cow went for Annette (and not necessarily our dog) and Max ran off (we didnt find him for over an hour) and eventually Annette (with my help) managed to extricate herself from UNDER the cow. We retreated behind a barbed wire fence and this cow (bearing mind our dog had run off) was still trying to attack us.

 

Eventually the farmer came out and blamed us for having a dog as there were calves present! Im not apportioning blame here but he knew which cow had attacked us before we pointed it out!

 

The only thing I can suggest to anyone caching with a dog and you see cows is to be very carefull, please.

 

The cache by the way is GCH56J - This is no reflection on the cache, which is great, just please be aware of the possible danger if you see cows with calves and you have a dog.

 

An ex-farmer has since told us that cows (if they see a dog) may try and sit on them to kill them and that you should NOT under any circumstance enter a field with calves if you have a dog because cows can be unpredictable.

Edited August 7, 2006 by BedlingtonDuo

[+PopUpPirate]

Updated the attributes on one of mine - nice work PopupPirate

 

Not a moment too soon for this icon. Annette (my Wife) is currently nursing a fractured rib and serious bruising after being attacked by a cow (she was nearly killled and that is no understatement) which went for our dog (Max was on a very short lead and did nothing to intimidate the cows) This one particular cow went for Annette (not necessarily our dog) and Max ran off (we didnt find him for over an hour) and eventually Annette (with my help) managed to extricate herself from UNDER the cow. We retreated behind a barbed wire fence and this cow (bearing mind our dog had run off) was still trying to attack us.

 

Eventually the farmer came out and blamed us for having a dog as there were calves present! Im not apportioning blame here but he knew which cow had attacked us before we pointed it out!

 

The only thing I can suggest to anyone caching with a dog and you see cows is to be very carefull, please.

 

The cache by the way is GCH56J - This is no reflection on the cache, which is great, just please be aware of the possible danger if you see cows with calves and you have a dog.

 

An ex-farmer has since told us that cows (if they see a dog) may try and sit on them to kill them and that you should NOT under any circumstance enter a field with calves if you have a dog because cows can be unpredictable.

 

That's frightening. Glad Annette is OK (relatively speaking).

[+Jango & Boba Fett]

Not a moment too soon for this icon. Annette is currently nursing a fractured rib and serious bruising after being attacked by a cow (she was nearly killled and that is no understatement) which went for our dog (Max was on a very short lead and did nothing to intimidate the cows) This one particular cow went for Annette (and not necessarily our dog) and Max ran off (we didnt find him for over an hour) and eventually Annette (with my help) managed to extricate herself from UNDER the cow. We retreated behind a barbed wire fence and this cow (bearing mind our dog had run off) was still trying to attack us.

 

An ex-farmer has since told us that cows (if they see a dog) may try and sit on them to kill them and that you should NOT under any circumstance enter a field with calves if you have a dog because cows can be unpredictable.

This highlights that, despite the frivolous comments made by ourselves, JohnMeLad and thekennelat79

 

Cattle? Sheep? No problem! Just do what I do and take a couple of working Border Collies along with you! If there are any cattle or sheep around, they take one look at the dogs and decide that they don't really want to be rounded up, thank you very much! They usually walk away and stand in a far corner of the field, eating grass, and pretending that the dogs don't really exist!

The majority of walkers that are attacked/killed by livestock (and there were 9 in the 1990s) the presence of their pet dog (well behavied, on a lead, ...) was the major contributory factor. Do what the Bedlington Duo did and let your dog run free, they can look after themselves, and you need to do the same, especially as the cow sees the dog as the threat not you.

 

See Post 22 above for links to the Ramblers Association site.