GEOCACHING MAGAZINE

[+carleenp]

So it is safe to assume that the Geocacher Magazine on MySpace is also someone else (who apparently is annonymous)? I had assumed it was the folks from this thread that seemed to be pulling something together.

 

I don't know that I have an opinion on it all, I just want to know who is who....

[vtmtnman]

Heh..Ed I thought that was you when I saw the Geocacher Magazine post in another thread.

A number of folks did!

 

I am not criticizing the fellow, if it's indeed s a fellow, I am only assuming it is from the Boy Scout reference... don't get me wrong, I wish him luck... I just can't support an anonymous one-person effort.

 

Since I have gotten several emails about his new mag from folks thinking it is me I felt the need to clear the air!

 

Ed

Yeah I read the IM log you posted.I understand.

 

Um,GC Magazine dude...You can't run a magazine and be anon.It just don't work like that bud.No offense,but folks are going to want to know who you are and who they're dealing with.

[Pto]

I got an email recently on my yahoo account, thru gc.com

[GEO] [removed by me] contacting Pto from Geocaching.com

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:30:48 -0700

 

--This message was sent through http://www.geocaching.com --

 

I noticed you posted a comment or reply to a forum posting about a

magazine for Geocachers ... I know of one in the works and they'd love your

thoughts, ideas, etc ...

 

www.geocachermagazine.com

 

User's Profile:

 

Doing leg work for another person, promoting this other person or the person in question.?

Dont know. Did anyone else get one of these?

 

If anyone cares to know the geo handl, PM me.

Edited June 25, 2007 by Pto

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

My response to this thread is that I am definitely interested in helping on the magazine. Whether it is online or paper. I have been thinking of doing the same thing myself for about the last six months. If there are people serious enough to do this, then I am in. I used to be a proofreader and wouldn't mind helping out that way. I am not good at writing articles, but I wouldn't mind taking a shot at it.

 

Who is in charge? If no one is, then I am willing to get things going. Send me a quick PM or email and let's get cooking! And, if you just want to assist by giving advice, do the same thing (El D!).

Cool! We can use you... when we have something to proof-read.

 

As far as 'in charge' I have offered to herd cats, so I guess that would be me.

 

Now, not to challenge you, but I am going to challenge you!

 

Your post is another example of "I want to help" that contains no help!

 

None of us are writers and yet want to help in some way, but realistically the only way to help at this time is to send content.

 

We have about a dozen folks that have volunteered to do one role or another, and nothing for them to do at this time. I thought about having them write articles, but I just don't believe that's the way to go - if the geocaching public really wants this mag they'll write it themselves.

 

Thanks,

Ed

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

So it is safe to assume that the Geocacher Magazine on MySpace is also someone else (who apparently is annonymous)? I had assumed it was the folks from this thread that seemed to be pulling something together.

 

I don't know that I have an opinion on it all, I just want to know who is who....

I haven't seen the MySpace page, so no it isn't me.

[+Snoogans]

Heh..Ed I thought that was you when I saw the Geocacher Magazine post in another thread.

A number of folks did!

 

I am not criticizing the fellow, if it's indeed s a fellow, I am only assuming it is from the Boy Scout reference... don't get me wrong, I wish him luck... I just can't support an anonymous one-person effort.

 

Since I have gotten several emails about his new mag from folks thinking it is me I felt the need to clear the air!

 

Ed

Yeah I read the IM log you posted.I understand.

 

Um,GC Magazine dude...You can't run a magazine and be anon.It just don't work like that bud.No offense,but folks are going to want to know who you are and who they're dealing with.

 

Funny, I sent almost exactly the same thing in a reply to him today.

 

(snip)

You can't run a geocaching magazine from a position of anonymity. Geocaching is intrinsicly linked to THE PEOPLE involved in keeping it alive and growing. To set your true identity aside will kill your effort. Either you are a part of the community or you are not. If you wish to remain anonymous, you will need to get big money backers/advertisers and HIRE a paid writing staff and get your price down to a buck an issue. My advice: #1 Come out from cover. I frankly view your need to keep your cachin' handle a secret somewhat odd.#2 Grow a thicker skin. (snip)

 

I honestly hope GC Magazine dude keeps up his effort.

 

I believe a printed geocaching magazine CAN be successful. Active geocachers around the world represent the population of a small city. That right there would just about prove my point. The fact that the cottage industry that has popped up centered around geocaching and that folks (including me... ummm someday ) are making money from it goes the rest of the way.

 

He has tripped up his effort to find support by trying to maintain secrecy, but that's forgiveable. Geocachers are smarter than average and verrry critical. It can be intimidating. At least he is TRYING to pick up the ball EL D dropped and I respect that. It will be an uphill battle if he stays his course. I will be the first to offer my support if the charade drops.

 

I also respect Ed's effort and I agree that there is room for an e-zine and a printed magazine. I think GC Magazine dude and Ed would make a good team if the odd secrecy thang went away.

Edited June 26, 2007 by Snoogans

[vtmtnman]

Heh..Ed I thought that was you when I saw the Geocacher Magazine post in another thread.

A number of folks did!

 

I am not criticizing the fellow, if it's indeed s a fellow, I am only assuming it is from the Boy Scout reference... don't get me wrong, I wish him luck... I just can't support an anonymous one-person effort.

 

Since I have gotten several emails about his new mag from folks thinking it is me I felt the need to clear the air!

 

Ed

Yeah I read the IM log you posted.I understand.

 

Um,GC Magazine dude...You can't run a magazine and be anon.It just don't work like that bud.No offense,but folks are going to want to know who you are and who they're dealing with.

 

Funny, I sent almost exactly the same thing in a reply to him today.

 

(snip)

You can't run a geocaching magazine from a position of anonymity. Geocaching is intrinsicly linked to THE PEOPLE involved in keeping it alive and growing. To set your true identity aside will kill your effort. Either you are a part of the community or you are not. If you wish to remain anonymous, you will need to get big money backers/advertisers and HIRE a paid writing staff and get your price down to a buck an issue. My advice: #1 Come out from cover. I frankly view your need to keep your cachin' handle a secret somewhat odd.#2 Grow a thicker skin. (snip)

 

I honestly hope GC Magazine dude keeps up his effort.

 

I believe a printed geocaching magazine CAN be successful. Active geocachers around the world represent the population of a small city. That right there would just about prove my point. The fact that the cottage industry that has popped up centered around geocaching and that folks (including me... ummm someday ) are making money from it goes the rest of the way.

 

He has tripped up his effort to find support by trying to maintain secrecy, but that's forgiveable. Geocachers are smarter than average and verrry critical. It can be intimidating. At least he is TRYING to pick up the ball EL D dropped and I respect that. It will be an uphill battle if he stays his course. I will be the first to offer my support if the charade drops.

 

I also respect Ed's effort and I agree that there is room for an e-zine and a printed magazine. I think GC Magazine dude and Ed would make a good team if the odd secrecy thang went away.

Ditto.

Two heads is better than one.I really do want to see the mag put out,by whomever wants to do it.I however earlier in this thread stated I would like to contribute,but my furture is uncertain if I will be able or not.I do have an article in mind,and I do have the time to write it,but common lazyness gets in the way.Hey,at least I'm honest.Better than saying I'll help and not come thru with anything.

[Geocacher Magazine]

Wow! I had no idea that my desire to keep my personal profile "out of the loop", so to speak, would result in my being labeled a "Shadow". Actually, as a marketing professional, I'm loving the hype. After all, getting people to talk about the magazine is the name of the game!

 

To "clear the air", I do have an active geocaching.com premium membership, (see handle below). I have been geocaching with my kids for a few years and having an advertising and marketing background, I thought it would be fun to start a magazine for this sport / activity that we all enjoy so much.

 

www.geocachermagazine.com

www.myspace.com/geocachermagazine

 

These web sites link to a new venture called Geocacher Magazine. Among others, I have spoken to people involved in Today's Cacher, Groundspeak, Navicache, etc ... but we are a unique entity, completely independent of these organizations. I have been and still am very interested in anybody's suggestions, ideas and input.

 

Unlike others, I am not looking for submissions or volunteers. We have enough content, stories and photos to keep us busy for more than a year. We are averaging 213 emails a day and the only "friction" to date is HERE ... on this forum.

 

My geocaching "handle" is TheFortuneFinders

 

I am a father of three, a school volunteer (time permitting) and Cub Scout / Boy Scout leader. In that capacity, I go through extensive training concerning child safety and my past hesitation was that my children are in my profile pics, but ... oh well, they are cachers too!

 

I'm a 40 yr old, single white male, (sorry "Rambler" - if you were looking for a date). I enjoy geocaching, small boat sailing and fine wine. I plan to publish a magazine for and about geocachers and this fun, family outdoor activity my friends and family have come to love!

 

Cache On!

[+Snoogans]

Wow! I had no idea that my desire to keep my personal profile "out of the loop", so to speak, would result in my being labeled a "Shadow". Actually, as a marketing professional, I'm loving the hype. After all, getting people to talk about the magazine is the name of the game!

 

To "clear the air", I do have an active geocaching.com premium membership, (see handle below). I have been geocaching with my kids for a few years and having an advertising and marketing background, I thought it would be fun to start a magazine for this sport / activity that we all enjoy so much.

 

www.geocachermagazine.com

www.myspace.com/geocachermagazine

 

These web sites link to a new venture called Geocacher Magazine. Among others, I have spoken to people involved in Today's Cacher, Groundspeak, Navicache, etc ... but we are a unique entity, completely independent of these organizations. I have been and still am very interested in anybody's suggestions, ideas and input.

 

Unlike others, I am not looking for submissions or volunteers. We have enough content, stories and photos to keep us busy for more than a year. We are averaging 213 emails a day and the only "friction" to date is HERE ... on this forum.

My geocaching "handle" is TheFortuneFinders

 

I am a father of three, a school volunteer (time permitting) and Cub Scout / Boy Scout leader. In that capacity, I go through extensive training concerning child safety and my past hesitation was that my children are in my profile pics, but ... oh well, they are cachers too!

 

I'm a 40 yr old, single white male, (sorry "Rambler" - if you were looking for a date). I enjoy geocaching, small boat sailing and fine wine. I plan to publish a magazine for and about geocachers and this fun, family outdoor activity my friends and family have come to love!

 

Cache On!

 

 

The printed word on a forum is not a good medium to convey feeling.

 

 

What you see as friction, I see mostly as honest critique. It helps that I know some of the folks on this thread on a personal level having actually met them. That's why I offered to talk to you on the phone.

 

 

I'm glad to hear of your background and that you plan to be independant. The advertisers listed on your webpage gave me hope that you could produce a magazine at a reasonable price and keep it running. I can't wait to see what you can come up with.

Edited June 26, 2007 by Snoogans

[vtmtnman]

<snippers>

www.geocachermagazine.com

www.myspace.com/geocachermagazine

 

These web sites link to a new venture called Geocacher Magazine. Among others, I have spoken to people involved in Today's Cacher, Groundspeak, Navicache, etc ... but we are a unique entity, completely independent of these organizations. I have been and still am very interested in anybody's suggestions, ideas and input.

 

Unlike others, I am not looking for submissions or volunteers. We have enough content, stories and photos to keep us busy for more than a year. We are averaging 213 emails a day and the only "friction" to date is HERE ... on this forum.

<snippers>

 

Couple quick things here bud-

My first thought-

While Geocaching is the big one,why wasn't the name Cachingmagazine?To say Geocaching is to imply that it only deals with Geocaching.There's also Navi and Terra caching.And while different,you could also include letterboxing in there as well,if folks showed an interest in it.And Waymarking.And Benchmarking.

 

My second thought-

Um,there's no friction here bud.We all are in favor of a caching rag,be it online or whatever,and whoever wants to do it.We just want to know who is heading the venture is all.Ed was spearheading something earlier in this thread,but he saw you had something going and let the reins go.

 

Only observations...no angst at all intended. Best of luck in your endeavors.

[+Snoogans]

<snippers>

www.geocachermagazine.com

www.myspace.com/geocachermagazine

 

These web sites link to a new venture called Geocacher Magazine. Among others, I have spoken to people involved in Today's Cacher, Groundspeak, Navicache, etc ... but we are a unique entity, completely independent of these organizations. I have been and still am very interested in anybody's suggestions, ideas and input.

 

Unlike others, I am not looking for submissions or volunteers. We have enough content, stories and photos to keep us busy for more than a year. We are averaging 213 emails a day and the only "friction" to date is HERE ... on this forum.

<snippers>

My first thought-

While Geocaching is the big one,why wasn't the name Cachingmagazine?To say Geocaching is to imply that it only deals with Geocaching.There's also Navi and Terra caching.And while different,you could also include letterboxing in there as well,if folks showed an interest in it.And Waymarking.And Benchmarking.

 

 

It's ALLLLL geocaching (v) in one form or another as long as there's coords.

 

 

BUT....

 

 

You have half a point there. Geocaching with a capital "G" is a patented word owned by Groundspeak, but correct me if I'm wrong; nothing is planned for it. It was simply a legal thang or so I remember hearing.

 

 

SO, Groundspeak owns the word, but not the activity of geocaching itself spelled with a small "g". I believe it is not possible to own a verb. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

 

However, I was taking NO chances when I spelled geocaching with a small "g" on my new coin and the upcomming t-shirt:

 

 

Edited June 26, 2007 by Snoogans

[vtmtnman]

<snippers>

www.geocachermagazine.com

www.myspace.com/geocachermagazine

 

These web sites link to a new venture called Geocacher Magazine. Among others, I have spoken to people involved in Today's Cacher, Groundspeak, Navicache, etc ... but we are a unique entity, completely independent of these organizations. I have been and still am very interested in anybody's suggestions, ideas and input.

 

Unlike others, I am not looking for submissions or volunteers. We have enough content, stories and photos to keep us busy for more than a year. We are averaging 213 emails a day and the only "friction" to date is HERE ... on this forum.

<snippers>

My first thought-

While Geocaching is the big one,why wasn't the name Cachingmagazine?To say Geocaching is to imply that it only deals with Geocaching.There's also Navi and Terra caching.And while different,you could also include letterboxing in there as well,if folks showed an interest in it.And Waymarking.And Benchmarking.

 

 

It's ALLLLL geocaching (v) in one form or another as long as there's coords.

 

 

BUT....

 

 

You have half a point there. Geocaching with a capital "G" is a patented word owned by Groundspeak, but correct me if I'm wrong; nothing is planned for it. It was simply a legal thang or so I remember hearing.

 

 

SO, Groundspeak owns the word, but not the activity of geocaching itself spelled with a small "g". I believe it is not possible to own a verb. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

 

However, I was taking NO chances when I spelled geocaching with a small "g" on my new coin and the upcomming t-shirt:

 

 

Ok...

1-Those coins are bad a--!

 

2-Show me on the Terracaching forums or in a Terracache listing they're called geocaches...

 

I think I see a split topic thread appearing shortly...

[vtmtnman]

I got an email recently on my yahoo account, thru gc.com

[GEO] [removed by me] contacting Pto from Geocaching.com

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:30:48 -0700

 

--This message was sent through http://www.geocaching.com --

 

I noticed you posted a comment or reply to a forum posting about a

magazine for Geocachers ... I know of one in the works and they'd love your

thoughts, ideas, etc ...

 

www.geocachermagazine.com

 

User's Profile:

 

Doing leg work for another person, promoting this other person or the person in question.?

Dont know. Did anyone else get one of these?

 

If anyone cares to know the geo handl, PM me.

De da De!

Perhaphs I should read all the posts next time..

 

Uh I got one of these.

[+Snoogans]

<snippers>

www.geocachermagazine.com

www.myspace.com/geocachermagazine

 

These web sites link to a new venture called Geocacher Magazine. Among others, I have spoken to people involved in Today's Cacher, Groundspeak, Navicache, etc ... but we are a unique entity, completely independent of these organizations. I have been and still am very interested in anybody's suggestions, ideas and input.

 

Unlike others, I am not looking for submissions or volunteers. We have enough content, stories and photos to keep us busy for more than a year. We are averaging 213 emails a day and the only "friction" to date is HERE ... on this forum.

<snippers>

My first thought-

While Geocaching is the big one,why wasn't the name Cachingmagazine?To say Geocaching is to imply that it only deals with Geocaching.There's also Navi and Terra caching.And while different,you could also include letterboxing in there as well,if folks showed an interest in it.And Waymarking.And Benchmarking.

 

 

It's ALLLLL geocaching (v) in one form or another as long as there's coords.

 

 

BUT....

 

 

You have half a point there. Geocaching with a capital "G" is a patented word owned by Groundspeak, but correct me if I'm wrong; nothing is planned for it. It was simply a legal thang or so I remember hearing.

 

 

SO, Groundspeak owns the word, but not the activity of geocaching itself spelled with a small "g". I believe it is not possible to own a verb. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

 

However, I was taking NO chances when I spelled geocaching with a small "g" on my new coin and the upcomming t-shirt:

 

 

Ok...

1-Those coins are bad a--!

 

2-Show me on the Terracaching forums or in a Terracache listing they're called geocaches...

 

I think I see a split topic thread appearing shortly...

 

 

#2 I was talking about geocaching as a verrrrb, doooood, but a terracache IS a geocache.

 

 

#1 Thanks for the compliment. There will be more pictures soon. There are a few on my profile as a teaser for an event I'm attending and planning to bring my coin press.

[guest]

I have proposal for name:

 

OpenCaching

 

which to mean Open Forumula on any geocaching sites: Gc.com, Teerracaching. Letterboxing, Navicache.com, Opencaching.pl and Opencaching.de, cists.net etc. It is mean open forumula for any "geocaching" games

Edited June 26, 2007 by guest

[CoyoteRed]

It's ALLLLL geocaching (v) in one form or another as long as there's coords.

Bingo. If my memory serves the name "geocaching/er/e" came into use before geocaching.com, thus the name of the site. The activity is geocaching. These other sites might call their game pieces "Terras" or "Navis", but only to differentiate where they are published. True, some want the differentiation for other reasons, but that does not negate the fact it is still a geocache.

 

You have half a point there. Geocaching with a capital "G" is a patented word owned by Groundspeak, but correct me if I'm wrong; nothing is planned for it. It was simply a legal thang or so I remember hearing.

I'm fairly positive this is incorrect. IIRC, Groundspeak applied for trademark protection on the word "geocache," but that is as far as it went. The problem is the word was coined by someone else and quickly came into common use.

 

That's not to say some goof might temporarily give Groundspeak authority to go after "non-authorized use." Some company in the past had successfully convinced someone they owned the term "tower" as it refers to a computer case in a vertical orientation. It didn't last. Could be the same here. Only there is abundant proof the term was coined before Jeremy got involved in the project of listing geocaches. No solid ground to stand on.

 

Added to this the failure to assert any protection to the claimed trademark. If you allow a trademarked name fall into common use then you loss all rights to it. It's called "genericized_trademark." Even if Groundspeak did originally have legal standing to claim the trademark then allowing other sites to use the term without attribution then a strong argument could be made to its loss of protection.

 

Ironically, the terms "terracache" and "navicache" would have firmer ground stand on in terms of being granted trademark protections than "geocache."

 

In conclusion, I think no one should fear honest litigation from the use of the term whether it is capitalized or not.

[+triptrick]

Not trying to be too critical or negative here (too late?) And you cant please everyone all the time but my $0.02 worth (Which is more like ZAR0.15 from where I am from)

 

http://www.geocachermagazine.com -- does not look good at all. I realise it is still under construction but first impressions last as they say. There will need to be loads of more input and fixing up. Graphics need to be redone, resolution dropped to 1024X768 maximum, future menu bar on left needs lots of work etc etc.... Not gonna even comment on http://www.myspace.com/geocachermagazine's layout....

 

In fact, while everyone is dissagreeing and agreeing with each other about a Magazine, I will go out Caching

 

I reckon Mr. Rambler, from what I have read and seen to date would pull it together better.

 

As I said, my $0.02 worth. Use it, Dont use it.

 

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

No need for angst or hurt feelings. My single concern and criticism was based on two things:

 

1) The publisher's desire for anonymity.

If I am to support an effort, any effort, I want to know who is making it and why. We're all biased, but some cachers are known to have agendas that go beyond that... becoming in fact a mission. I have been clear for years in public that I am biased toward Geocaching.com and hope to see it remain the single source of listings for geocaches. That way my readers and friends know exactly where I am coming from. I combat my personal bias by publishing anything sent me, so long as it is not hostile and is family-friendly. I will not decide beyond that what gets published. I do not know anything like that about an anonymous publisher.

 

2) The lack of information about who else is involved.

The word 'we' intimates that this publisher has at least one person helping him, yet we don't know who they are and therefore no way to get a feel for how credible and stable this effort will be. If this will be a for-profit (or even for-fee) magazine I want to know something about it before submitting my work, recommending that others do, or subscribing.

 

So, those things are resolving. The publisher is known. Still don't know who else is involved, but that will come out in time I am sure.

 

As I mentioned earlier in this thread I very much want to see a successful effort made here, and don't care who makes it.

 

I offered to publish it when the community asked for one.

 

I got many offers of help from very capable people, all of whom posted their support in these forums, so everyone knew exactly who was involved.

 

That resulted in 2 article submissions.

 

Unlike others, I am not looking for submissions or volunteers. We have enough content, stories and photos to keep us busy for more than a year. We are averaging 213 emails a day and the only "friction" to date is HERE ... on this forum.

 

The fact that a minor criticism and concern seems to have him up in arms is a bit disconcerting, but hey, 213 emails a day is about 205 a day more than I ever got, so maybe he has some buzz going that will translate to content - if so, great, I can't wait to read it!

 

I won't subscribe, as I am not interested in reading geo articles enough to pay for them, but I do hope he makes it fly.

 

If anyone wants to submit articles for our free online magazine they are invited and encouraged to do so. If you don't care to do that then send it to geocachermagazine. Just share your stories with one of us, as there is a desire out there to read, enjoy and learn from them.

 

Despite the fact that there is a limited pool of content I will not compete for submissions or eyeballs - In fact if geocachermagazine and the content author are okay with it anything that we receive for publication will be sent to geocachermagazine to do with what they will - there is no reason we can't both publish it since we'll be in different formats.

 

Regardless, if I hurt any feelings expressing my concern on the anonymity issue I apologize, no harm or insult was intended by the term 'shadow', it is an appropriate name for an anonymous publisher, and I was just expressing my concern.

 

Write something - anything - and send it in! TheAlabamaRambler@gmail.com or geocachermagazine.com, doesn't matter to me, just do it!

Edited June 26, 2007 by TheAlabamaRambler

[Mr.Yuck]

It's ALLLLL geocaching (v) in one form or another as long as there's coords.

Bingo. If my memory serves the name "geocaching/er/e" came into use before geocaching.com, thus the name of the site. The activity is geocaching. These other sites might call their game pieces "Terras" or "Navis", but only to differentiate where they are published. True, some want the differentiation for other reasons, but that does not negate the fact it is still a geocache.

 

You have half a point there. Geocaching with a capital "G" is a patented word owned by Groundspeak, but correct me if I'm wrong; nothing is planned for it. It was simply a legal thang or so I remember hearing.

I'm fairly positive this is incorrect. IIRC, Groundspeak applied for trademark protection on the word "geocache," but that is as far as it went. The problem is the word was coined by someone else and quickly came into common use.

 

That's not to say some goof might temporarily give Groundspeak authority to go after "non-authorized use." Some company in the past had successfully convinced someone they owned the term "tower" as it refers to a computer case in a vertical orientation. It didn't last. Could be the same here. Only there is abundant proof the term was coined before Jeremy got involved in the project of listing geocaches. No solid ground to stand on.

 

Added to this the failure to assert any protection to the claimed trademark. If you allow a trademarked name fall into common use then you loss all rights to it. It's called "genericized_trademark." Even if Groundspeak did originally have legal standing to claim the trademark then allowing other sites to use the term without attribution then a strong argument could be made to its loss of protection.

 

Ironically, the terms "terracache" and "navicache" would have firmer ground stand on in terms of being granted trademark protections than "geocache."

 

In conclusion, I think no one should fear honest litigation from the use of the term whether it is capitalized or not.

 

The official tagline of the Navicache website is "Geocaching with Navicache". The lesser known gpsgames.org has all their listings from the main page under "Geocaching". I'd say an attempt to trademark the name was made by geocaching.com, but it didn't (and never will in my opinion) happen. They've probably long since abandoned any efforts to do so.

 

Here's a little history for you; the message to the gpsstash mailiing list on egroups (which was later acquired by Yahoo! and merged with Yahoo! Groups) "inventing" the term geocaching (and months before geocaching.com existed). Cache vs. stash

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

Please don't derail this topic, it is about getting a geocaching magazine off the ground, not the origin of the word geocaching or any other topic.

 

If it stays on point we can accomplish something here.

 

Thanks,

Ed

[vtmtnman]

<snippers>

www.geocachermagazine.com

www.myspace.com/geocachermagazine

 

These web sites link to a new venture called Geocacher Magazine. Among others, I have spoken to people involved in Today's Cacher, Groundspeak, Navicache, etc ... but we are a unique entity, completely independent of these organizations. I have been and still am very interested in anybody's suggestions, ideas and input.

 

Unlike others, I am not looking for submissions or volunteers. We have enough content, stories and photos to keep us busy for more than a year. We are averaging 213 emails a day and the only "friction" to date is HERE ... on this forum.

<snippers>

My first thought-

While Geocaching is the big one,why wasn't the name Cachingmagazine?To say Geocaching is to imply that it only deals with Geocaching.There's also Navi and Terra caching.And while different,you could also include letterboxing in there as well,if folks showed an interest in it.And Waymarking.And Benchmarking.

 

 

It's ALLLLL geocaching (v) in one form or another as long as there's coords.

 

 

BUT....

 

 

You have half a point there. Geocaching with a capital "G" is a patented word owned by Groundspeak, but correct me if I'm wrong; nothing is planned for it. It was simply a legal thang or so I remember hearing.

 

 

SO, Groundspeak owns the word, but not the activity of geocaching itself spelled with a small "g". I believe it is not possible to own a verb. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

 

However, I was taking NO chances when I spelled geocaching with a small "g" on my new coin and the upcomming t-shirt:

 

 

Ok...

1-Those coins are bad a--!

 

2-Show me on the Terracaching forums or in a Terracache listing they're called geocaches...

 

I think I see a split topic thread appearing shortly...

 

 

#2 I was talking about geocaching as a verrrrb, doooood, but a terracache IS a geocache.

 

 

#1 Thanks for the compliment. There will be more pictures soon. There are a few on my profile as a teaser for an event I'm attending and planning to bring my coin press.

Welp,I'm still gonna tell folks if I'm Terracachin' or GeoCachin' or Navicachin'.

To me there's a difference.

 

Edit-Opps,sorry Ed,you posted while I was typing...I'm done anyways.

Edited June 26, 2007 by vtmtnman

[CoyoteRed]

Please don't derail this topic, it is about getting a geocaching magazine off the ground, not the origin of the word geocaching or any other topic.

Well, it was about the legality of naming a magazine with a possibly trademarked word.

 

Any ideas on what you're going to call your magazine?

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

Please don't derail this topic, it is about getting a geocaching magazine off the ground, not the origin of the word geocaching or any other topic.

Well, it was about the legality of naming a magazine with a possibly trademarked word.

 

Any ideas on what you're going to call your magazine?

Actually I don't! Some suggestions have been made, but nothing decided. I haven't done anything with the web site itself as GeoWorms will be hosting it and he was traveling until recently, plus I have to buy the domain and won't have the money until I get paid next month.

 

Any suggestions on a name are welcome! I will be buying the domain upon my return from Washington DC July 6th and expect to have a website up by July 10 or so.

[+triptrick]

How about something like: (some Idea's)

go!

caching

Your hunt starts here

Or

 

Cachezine

Where the Hunt starts

Or

 

inside caching

Or

 

CADzine

The magazine for people with Caching Addiction Disorder

 

They're not great but it's an attempt...

 

Edited June 26, 2007 by triptrick

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

I like Inside Geocaching, the online magazine of geocaching!

 

Rich (vtmtnman).suggested TFTC - I like that too.

 

Thanks for the suggestions.

[+flask]

somebody spammed my local mailing list about this magazine. i think it was you guys. i am not happy about it. i don't know how everyone else feels, but i sure don't like it.

[+triptrick]

somebody spammed my local mailing list about this magazine. i think it was you guys. i am not happy about it. i don't know how everyone else feels, but i sure don't like it.

 

Seems that the other magazine being talked about in here that was started up with the "Anonymous" guy did the spamming... See previous threads...

[vtmtnman]

somebody spammed my local mailing list about this magazine. i think it was you guys. i am not happy about it. i don't know how everyone else feels, but i sure don't like it.

Yeah,I believe it was the other dude,not Ed,as I got an email as well.

[+blaird83]

I'm new to geocaching, however, I like the idea of a magazine too. I also have a little (very little as it might be) in newsletters, and free web page design. I can try to get something off the ground, if I can get some people to help out, the main thing comes down to which one would be prefered, an e-mailed newsletter or a message board set up to list your adventures, or a web site that is updated every so often with tips and adventures that people have been gone on recently. Please let me know which you would prefer and if you would like to assist, once I see what kind of response this gets I will see about setting up a site on angelfire. you can either leave a message here or send me a message on yahoo, my pager is haplo02.

[Clan Riffster]

Ed, just a wee thought that popped into my dusty ol' brain;

You could have a point/counterpoint column in your mag where you, (or whoever does the editing/etc for the mag), sees a hot topic in the forums, and contacts the two most verbose posters from both sides of the issue. Ask them to write a couple paragraphs explaining their views.

 

Something along the lines of, "Film canisters; Do they really stink?"

[vtmtnman]

Something along the lines of, "Film canisters; Do they really stink?"

Shameless self promotion...just shameless.

[+flask]

there are two magazines brewing?

 

oy.

 

i didn't like the first one. i do not want to have to get emails from the second and third.

 

i got email inviting me to write for one of them; i don't know which. seemed to me to be sloppy recruiting practice. i do NOT want to read any online rag that recruits its writers based on the fact that they posted in this thread.

 

i'll say it again: oy.

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

somebody spammed my local mailing list about this magazine. i think it was you guys. i am not happy about it. i don't know how everyone else feels, but i sure don't like it.

 

Seems that the other magazine being talked about in here that was started up with the "Anonymous" guy did the spamming... See previous threads...

Nope, wasn't me, never will be me! No one here will ever get an unsolicited broadcast email from me, I hate spam.

 

I have invited folks in this thread to submit, I will invite folks whom I meet, but I will never spam the membership of geocaching.com.

 

Aside from the fact that I don't like receiving it either I think it is illegal under the Groundspeak Terms of Use to use information found here to contact and solicit members.

[+Alligorpion]

 

Suggestion:

I noticed that the page doesn't fit on the screen at 1024x768 resolution. I'd venture a guess that the majority of cachers don't use a resolution higher than that. Perhaps the page could be formatted so that it fits without scrolling from side to side.

 

I second the motion.. scrolling is a pain and my eyes wont work at any resolution above 1024x768

[+Snoogans]

Okay Ed, I'm an idea guy and I just got one for your magazine name:

 

 

The Geocacher's Waypoint

 

 

"The Waypoint" is a name we kicked around in the brainstorming session for TC magazine.

 

 

By making the title possessive it will better reflect the voluntary content and it sorta suggests a hide.

 

 

I dunno.... Anyone else like it???

Edited June 27, 2007 by Snoogans

[CoyoteRed]

Okay Ed, I'm and idea guy and I just got one for your magazine name:

 

 

The Geocacher's Waypoint

 

 

"The Waypoint" is a name we kicked around in the brainstorming session for TC magazine.

 

 

By making the title possessive it will better reflect the voluntary content and it sorta suggests a hide.

 

 

I dunno.... Anyone else like it???

I like it.

 

But you know what grabs me more? "Waypoint" While more generic it is also a bit artsy abstract.

 

Of course, a bit more on point and still a bit abstract is "Cache." cache-mag.com is available. Keeping with your theme of user involvement is "Let's Cache."

 

Another one is based on a popular closing to a missive and that is "Cache On!"

[+*TnT*]

It's time to throw my $0.02 into this discussion. There are several things that concern me about the "GeocacherMagazine" person.

 

1. He states he already has enough content for a year. But, he only has 150 finds. How much experience, (and particularly variety of experience) does he have that make him an expert in picking the content others would want to see.

2. As has been said before -- who are the others that make up the "we"? I have a couple of suspicions, that if true, would stop me from supporting his venture.

3. It appears that he's planning on making this a paying venture. Selling subscriptions, etc. I don't believe I could support that, when others are offering to do it out of the love of the sport.

 

Bottom line is that I'm throwing my support to TheAlabamaRambler and his venture and will attempt to write an article this weekend.

[Clan Riffster]

The Geocacher's Waypoint

Anyone else like it???

I like it!

[+Mopar]

somebody spammed my local mailing list about this magazine. i think it was you guys. i am not happy about it. i don't know how everyone else feels, but i sure don't like it.

That's the other guy, not TAR; and he seems to have spammed as many people/orgs as he could with the links to his website/myspace page. That's probably the kiss of death to his venture. Geocachers don't like spammers, and GC.com usually doesn't take kindly to people using it's email system to spam people either.

Edited June 26, 2007 by Mopar

[+Snoogans]

somebody spammed my local mailing list about this magazine. i think it was you guys. i am not happy about it. i don't know how everyone else feels, but i sure don't like it.

That's the other guy, not TAR; and he seems to have spammed as many people/orgs as he could with the links to his website/myspace page. That's probably the kiss of death to his venture. Geocachers don't like spammers, and GC.com usually doesn't take kindly to people using it's email system to spam people either.

 

 

It depends on what you consider to be spam. I did not get an email about penis enlargement or Viagra using the GC server.

 

 

I got an email from another geocacher (FortuneFinders) about giving my thoughts to an upcomming geocaching magazine by and for geocachers. It led me to a webpage that made me hopeful the venture would succeed just from reading the names dropped on the page. One of those names was REI and my wife is middle management there. One call to her outreach rep would tell if that was just name dropping or legit support. (Note to self. Follow up on that.)

 

 

I don't consider an email from a fellow geocacher on a topic I'm interested in to be spam. If I didn't want to be contacted by other geocachers, I would block email from this site.

 

 

That said, FF has some hurdles to now overcome that he placed there himself whether he chooses to realize it or not. If he truly has the experience and the support he claims, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. If the first issue is near the same quality of El D's magazine, I will subscribe to support that effort just as I did for TC and I will offer to contribute to the content as I did with TC.

 

 

As I have said before, I truly believe this community can sustain/support a printed geocaching magazine if someone with the right formula for success gets hold of the project.

 

 

I KNOW Ed's effort will have some success. Because I KNOW Ed personally.

 

 

I think that FF CAN be successful from all I've seen and heard, but I don't know FF from Adam. I can only wish him well and offer assistance if it's needed.

[+Snoogans]

The Geocacher's Waypoint

Anyone else like it???

I like it!

 

WOW! You and CR both like it. I must have done something right for a change.

 

 

I like CR's "Cache ON!" idea as well.

 

 

Although, I still think a voluntary effort as Ed has proposed should have a possessive name to reflect the content better whatever the final choice turns out to be.

[vtmtnman]

I still say Geocacher only implies Geocaching.com.I think it should be The Cacher's waypoint.JMHO is all.I do like that title though.Good one Snoogs.

[+Snoogans]

I still say Geocacher only implies Geocaching.com.

You're free to narrow your own perspective all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that hunting caches listed on ANY website with a gps makes you a geocacher.

 

 

Geocaching is an outdoor treasure-hunting game in which the participants use a Global Positioning System (GPS) receiver or other navigational techniques to hide and seek containers (called "geocaches" or "caches") anywhere in the world. A typical cache is a small waterproof container containing a logbook and "treasure," usually toys or trinkets of little monetary value. Today, well over 410,000 geocaches are currently placed in 222 countries around the world, which are registered on various websites devoted to the sport.

 

Edited June 27, 2007 by Snoogans

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

Having gotten a couple of emails expressing concern over my offer to share any content I received with other magazines I need to change that - instead I will say that I have no objection if an author wants to submit their work to multiple publications.

 

As long as I have the email showing that an author sent me original work attached to or included in the email I think I will have sufficient proof of permission to publish that work.

[+The Cheeseheads]

The Geocacher's Waypoint

Anyone else like it???

I like it!

Hmm... Sounds familiar...

[+genegene]

After reading up on the posts I am now a little concerned myself. I am writing up an article that I hope would appear each month. But after reading the post from Geocacher mag my concerns are that now there is no real articles, just submissions from geocachers about anything. If this is the case I don't want any involvement, that is not saying that I wont read some of the articles. I do not want to waist my time writing something that will not even be looked at. I would like to see a magazine that has some "meet on its bone" and not something like a log in a cache. Is this magazine going to be online or in print? haven't figured that one out yet either. Will it be free or paid subscription? the other thing that urkis me is the way you said this:

 

"Unlike others, I am not looking for submissions or volunteers. We have enough content, stories and photos to keep us busy for more than a year. We are averaging 213 emails a day and the only "friction" to date is HERE ... on this forum.

 

Why did I get an e-mail asking for help? Who is us? Is there a staff involved already? Will they have features in them? continuing stories?

 

As the leader of this magazine, will you be the editor? If yes, your shadow would not be a shadow for long, the reason is, every newspaper and magazine I have ever read has an article somewhere in it (from the editor). Did you not plan on writing one?

 

As an active member of Geocaching.com I have no problem catching slack from my piers about anything I write in these forums. There are some well known names in these forums that have been around a lot longer then you or I put together. I look forward to there comments, be it positive or negative. We need to learn from our elders, IE.. some of the original cachers. They have seen the game change with leaps and bounds since 2001. Please do not alienate them.

 

On another note when you said quote:

"I go through extensive training concerning child safety and my past hesitation was that my children are in my profile pics, but ... oh well, they are cachers too!"

 

That is something you should have taken into consideration when taking on this task. There are always going to be F-ing losers out there, and I worry about that along with you. You can choose to keep your personal life in or out of geocaching as you do please. No one is asking you to bring them into any topic here in the forums.

 

As you can tell most of the geocachers here know each other quite well and who's who when scrolling through the posts. Yes we all disagree about certain topics but we are all committed to one thing, Seeing Geocaching.com grow. And in this forum 98% want to see a magazine.

 

I along with others want to see a magazine about geocaching, but don't want it to be one sided and all about the money. If Geocaching.com wanted to they could make it so everyone had to pay to play, and make there own magazine, and it would probably be a very good one at that. They have the resources and the advertisers in place and could easily find more if they chose to do so. They are a group of hard working volunteers and some paid I'm sure, that make this game possible for all of us for free.

 

This post was not meant to through mud in you face, discredit your endeavors, or hope you fail. I just wanted to state my opinions on how I felt about your post. Please do not take this the wrong way. I hope that you will reply to mine and others Questions on how you will operate Geocacher Magazine. We all have suggestions about different things and hope to see in the magazine. We only want what is best for this game we love so much. Like I stated in the beginning of the topic "no one is right or wrong here, no fighting.

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

The Geocacher's Waypoint

Anyone else like it???

I like it!

Hmm... Sounds familiar...

Thanks for that link find!

 

I had never heard of Geocaching Wheypoint and was really liking The Geocacher's Waypoint name, but I don't want to encroach on theirs.

 

Interestingly, I know 6 of the 14 members online at that site at this moment! Not that it matters, I wouldn't use a similar name even if they were strangers.

 

Great suggestions, though, let's keep looking.

 

Unfortunately I like the name Geocaching Magazine better than any I have thought of so far! Isn't life strange?

[Geocacher Magazine]

Bullfrog-

 

I sent a reply to your email after reading it, (and your post above), but have decided to re-post some of it here as it seems appropriate;

 

I initially contacted TAR & Snoog to simply ask for their thoughts and input, sincerely out of respect for what I perceived to be their "time in the game". The only reason I even went that way was to make those geocaching "veterans" feel included - not passed-over.

 

I've received several private emails from folks venting bad feelings about "Today's Cacher" and I have communicated with Jerry. I certainly understand why he chose to shut down that effort. Even TAR has mentioned (more than once) how he's only received 2 submissions and barked at one poster who offered help claiming it to be, "an offer to help that contains no help". (Incidently, I have exchanged emails with that individual and he's a real person with reals skills to offer. I look forward to possibly working with him).

 

We just may be in a situation where there will be no pleasing some folks.

 

To answer your other questions;

 

The magazine will be a print publication, there may be a few things available online, but that isn't our prime focus. We plan to be largely cacher-driven, including stories and profiles about geocaching and all the associated categories of "caching:, (i.e.. Terracaching, Letterboxing, Navicaching, etc...) News and reviews on equipment (from gps units to hiking boots) and a few other special features that are very exciting and directly Cacher-related, (but I have to keep somethings a surprise)!

 

There will be a nominal subscription rate as our revenue will be mostly advertiser-generated and our ads will be limited to cacher-related industries, very "family friendly" and will not exceed a 35% print ratio.

 

We plan to (and already have) offered Free Subscriptions to several groups as a cache-prize for their events, we are currently assisting a group in SoCal with the graphics for their Treasure Hunting map, (no charge - no expectations).

 

When I say "we" I do refer to my staff, growing every day, which includes fellow cachers from the tourism, journalism, marketing, graphic design and event planning industries. And, yes, there will be and editorial page and a place for write-in comments from the readers.

 

I hope that answers your questions and puts you "at ease".

 

I'm sure this post will, in some way, cause a new round of "opinions" and as Snoog put it "mostly honest critique". I guess I asked for it when I invited input.

 

At any rate, the magazine is alive and well, pushing forward and gaining huge momentum!

 

Cache On!

 

Michael J - Publisher

Geocacher Magazine

 

P.S. For TAR's online concept - I also like "The Cacher's Waypoint" ... who knows, when all this blows over, we may find an avenue to colabotate. I have no problem promoting TAR's, Jerry's or anyone else's efforts in the magazine. The more people out caching - the fewer home watching tv, playing Nintendo, etc ...

Edited June 27, 2007 by Geocacher Magazine

[+Snoogans]

The Geocacher's Waypoint

Anyone else like it???

I like it!

Hmm... Sounds familiar...

Thanks for that link find!

 

I had never heard of Geocaching Wheypoint and was really liking The Geocacher's Waypoint name, but I don't want to encroach on theirs.

 

Interestingly, I know 6 of the 14 members online at that site at this moment! Not that it matters, I wouldn't use a similar name even if they were strangers.

 

Great suggestions, though, let's keep looking.

 

Unfortunately I like the name Geocaching Magazine better than any I have thought of so far! Isn't life strange?

 

 

Snooganicity: The sudden realization you are thinking like Snoogans.

 

 

In this case, I guess it should be Cheeseheadicity. I honestly had no idea.

 

 

I'll give it some more thought Ed. I still think think the title should be possessive.

 

 

The Cacher's Rag

 

 

The Cacher's Corner

 

 

or how about this gem:

 

 

The Geocacher's Republic (Kinda sounds like a newspaper.)

 

 

A republic is a form of government maintained by a state or country whose sovereignty is based on popular consent and whose governance is based on popular representation and control.

[+Snoogans]

The Cacher's Continuum

 

 

I like this next one because it sounds kinda Trekkie:

 

 

The Geocacher's Collective