Micro Mania

[+TrailGators]

That's right. Not all lame caches are micros.

I sure wish you'd quit calling those caches the "L" word! Think of all the people you are offending! This is great! The tables are turned!!!

There are a lot of caches that I think are lame.

There ya go using the "L" word again. Tisk tisk tisk...

Goodnight.

Edited July 24, 2007 by TrailGators

[+sbell111]

Nope. What part of "Doing just fine" leads folks to complain in the forums over and over about lame micros.

We do it to annoy you. Do you like being annoyed? Anyhow, please find one quote in this thread where I said:

lame micros

I defy you to do it.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the topic of this thread...

[+KBI]

Nope. What part of "Doing just fine" leads folks to complain in the forums over and over about lame micros.

We do it to annoy you. Do you like being annoyed? Anyhow, please find one quote in this thread where I said:

lame micros

I defy you to do it.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the topic of this thread...

He's not confused about the topic, but he IS a bit confused about what folks are trying to tell him. TG has intentionally changed his vocabulary in the belief that it will somehow make his comments sound more reasonable. He is now using terms like "YKW" and "YNW" in place of certain other words like "lame" and "lamp post." I think he actually believes that his newly sanitized language makes him sound less impatient, less whiny and less intolerant of other people's caching preferences.

[+sbell111]

Nope. What part of "Doing just fine" leads folks to complain in the forums over and over about lame micros.

We do it to annoy you. Do you like being annoyed? Anyhow, please find one quote in this thread where I said:

lame micros

I defy you to do it.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the topic of this thread...

He's not confused about the topic, but he IS a bit confused about what folks are trying to tell him. TG has intentionally changed his vocabulary in the belief that it will somehow make his comments sound more reasonable. He is now using terms like "YKW" and "YNW" in place of certain other words like "lame" and "lamp post." I think he actually believes that his newly sanitized language makes him sound less impatient, less whiny and less intolerant of other people's caching preferences.

It makes him appear snarkier, if that's what he's going for. Edited July 24, 2007 by sbell111

[+sbell111]

I wish someone would defy the moderators to lock this thread

It seems to have run its course and I'm sure the OP found out just what views others have on this subject 2970624[/snapback]

As much as I agree with you, there's really no point in locking threads like this one down. If they did, a new one would be created (or converted) within a few days. We'd be exactly back to where we are in no time.

 

BTW, I love the snapback trick. I am surprised that I was able to learn something from this thread. Thanks.

[+KBI]

I wish someone would defy the moderators to lock this thread

It seems to have run its course and I'm sure the OP found out just what views others have on this subject 2970624[/snapback]

As much as I agree with you, there's really no point in locking threads like this one down. If they did, a new one would be created (or converted) within a few days. We'd be exactly back to where we are in no time.

"If you strike me down, I shall grow more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

 

 

[+TrailGators]

Nope. What part of "Doing just fine" leads folks to complain in the forums over and over about lame micros.

We do it to annoy you. Do you like being annoyed? Anyhow, please find one quote in this thread where I said:

lame micros

I defy you to do it.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the topic of this thread...

No I didn't forget. I caught "the brothers" in another lie. After a while the lies get really annoying. So now I will ignore them both.

 

Anyhow, back to the subject....I stated my current position earlier:

The latest discussion proved that "easy peasy" method is not an effective method for "true" urban caching. Most of the cache pages and logs are useless. Mr. T. nailed it when he stated that you need to lower your expectations. This is pretty much exactly what we've been saying all along. The best way to have the most fun urban caching is to check the local must-do list and to learn who are the better hiders in an area. Conversely, you need to learn which hiders you need to ignore.

So the key is building up a database of the better caches out there. So we have been asking people to start making bookmarks of their favorite caches!

Edited July 24, 2007 by TrailGators

[+KBI]

I caught "the brothers" in another lie. After a while the lies get really annoying.

Please don't EVER go away, TrailGators. You are, by far, the most entertaining person in these forums.

[+TrailGators]

I thought for a second that I heard something....

[Mushtang]

I caught "the brothers" in another lie. After a while the lies get really annoying.

The "lie" that you can reduce the kinds of caches you don't enjoy from those you look for, by simple filters in your PQ and taking a few minutes to read the cache description before searching for it?

 

You know, denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

[+TrailGators]

Wait there it is again....

[+Miragee]

Okay . . . breaking in here for a question. Yesterday, I scouted a place to put a cache that will highlight a beautiful building in a small community crowded by the huge metropolitan area.

 

The only container I can use, where the view of that building is nicely-framed by Palm trees, is going to be a Bison tube.

 

Would you guys rather have me not place a cache at all if the only container that will work is a Micro? My only other "alternative" would be a below-the-ground-level hide . . . and I already know how everyone feels about "buried" caches . . .

[+TrailGators]

Okay . . . breaking in here for a question. Yesterday, I scouted a place to put a cache that will highlight a beautiful building in a small community crowded by the huge metropolitan area.

 

The only container I can use, where the view of that building is nicely-framed by Palm trees, is going to be a Bison tube.

 

Would you guys rather have me not place a cache at all if the only container that will work is a Micro? My only other "alternative" would be a below-the-ground-level hide . . . and I already know how everyone feels about "buried" caches . . .

Sounds like a cool spot. What's wrong with a bison tube? The brothers have stated that I do not like all micros, which is absolutely false. Anyhow, go for it!

[+Renegade Knight]

...Would you guys rather have me not place a cache at all if the only container that will work is a Micro? My only other "alternative" would be a below-the-ground-level hide . . . and I already know how everyone feels about "buried" caches . . .

 

The rule of thumb is to use the largest container the area support. Very often that's larger than a micro. But if all you can hide in a muggle safe way is a bison, then it's a bison.

 

Urban hides get far more finds than other kinds. As much griping as people do about them...they have a role in caching.

 

As for below ground level. That's not always buried.

[+TrailGators]

...Would you guys rather have me not place a cache at all if the only container that will work is a Micro? My only other "alternative" would be a below-the-ground-level hide . . . and I already know how everyone feels about "buried" caches . . .

Urban hides get far more finds than other kinds. As much griping as people do about them...they have a role in caching.

The sad part is that some areas are so thick with muggles that even a micro is a real pain to retrieve. This weekend I made another attempt at a micro at the end of Oceanside pier. It's an awesome view and the perfect spot for a virtual, but as we all know those have become (mainly) micros these days. Anyhow when I got to the end of the pier there were fisherman standing next to where the cache is hidden again. So next time I'm in the area, I'll given it another shot. I still enjoyed the pier and the view! Edited July 24, 2007 by TrailGators

[+Miragee]

If I place the cache I'm talking about, I will have a very specific hint. The cache will be retrievable from the street . . . no wandering through the landscaping will be necessary . . . However, if I don't give a specific hint, people might wander around and I do not want that. I want them to get to the location, admire and photograph the beautiful building, and find the cache!

 

 

There are two different bank parking lots on one side, attractive landscaping and trees as a divider, and the beautiful building's parking lot on the other side of the street. Unless it is a Sunday morning, muggles shouldn't be a problem for this cache.

[+TrailGators]

If I place the cache I'm talking about, I will have a very specific hint. The cache will be retrievable from the street . . . no wandering through the landscaping will be necessary . . . However, if I don't give a specific hint, people might wander around and I do not want that. I want them to get to the location, admire and photograph the beautiful building, and find the cache!

 

 

There are two different bank parking lots on one side, attractive landscaping and trees as a divider, and the beautiful building's parking lot on the other side of the street. Unless it is a Sunday morning, muggles shouldn't be a problem for this cache.

That's a very cool spot!

[+Renegade Knight]

... The sad part is that some areas are so thick with muggles that even a micro is a real pain to retrieve. ..

 

Very true. One of my favorite hides was placed inside a mall. You could get reception through the skylight. Ground Zero was a bench. The cache was on the inside lip of the planter that you could reach while sitting on the bench. Simple, Easy, High Muggle Ratio...But a great hide making use of natural cover so you could get the cache without being busted.

 

Then again, another one was on the pedestrian button at an intersection. There was no way in hell to retreive that cache without being caught. I give the former high marks, the latter, a "what the heck were they thinking putting this here!"

[+Miragee]

If I place the cache I'm talking about, I will have a very specific hint. The cache will be retrievable from the street . . . no wandering through the landscaping will be necessary . . . However, if I don't give a specific hint, people might wander around and I do not want that. I want them to get to the location, admire and photograph the beautiful building, and find the cache!

<snip>

 

There are two different bank parking lots on one side, attractive landscaping and trees as a divider, and the beautiful building's parking lot on the other side of the street. Unless it is a Sunday morning, muggles shouldn't be a problem for this cache.

That's a very cool spot!

Okay . . . if I find out I can put the cache there (no nearby Puzzles or Multi-waypoints I don't know about), I don't want any complaints about the nearby dumpster . . .

[+TrailGators]

Then again, another one was on the pedestrian button at an intersection. There was no way in hell to retreive that cache without being caught. I give the former high marks, the latter, a "what the heck were they thinking putting this here!"

That's what I thought about the one at the end of the pier. This is where I think virtuals had their niche. Getting on my hands and knees to blindly reach for a micro velcroed underneath a board on the pier seems silly to me. But we have to do this because you "have" to have a container otherwise it's not a "real" cache. I still think they should rethink this since the "wow factor" has now become a moot point with a lot of the "real" caches out there.

[+TrailGators]

If I place the cache I'm talking about, I will have a very specific hint. The cache will be retrievable from the street . . . no wandering through the landscaping will be necessary . . . However, if I don't give a specific hint, people might wander around and I do not want that. I want them to get to the location, admire and photograph the beautiful building, and find the cache!

<snip>

 

There are two different bank parking lots on one side, attractive landscaping and trees as a divider, and the beautiful building's parking lot on the other side of the street. Unless it is a Sunday morning, muggles shouldn't be a problem for this cache.

That's a very cool spot!

Okay . . . if I find out I can put the cache there (no nearby Puzzles or Multi-waypoints I don't know about), I don't want any complaints about the nearby dumpster . . .

Wait! You never mentioned the nearby dumpster! There has to be a spot that you could put in tiny bison tube that is not next to a dumpster....

[+Miragee]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

[+sbell111]

...Would you guys rather have me not place a cache at all if the only container that will work is a Micro? My only other "alternative" would be a below-the-ground-level hide . . . and I already know how everyone feels about "buried" caches . . .

Urban hides get far more finds than other kinds. As much griping as people do about them...they have a role in caching.

The sad part is that some areas are so thick with muggles that even a micro is a real pain to retrieve. This weekend I made another attempt at a micro at the end of Oceanside pier. It's an awesome view and the perfect spot for a virtual, but as we all know those have become (mainly) micros these days. Anyhow when I got to the end of the pier there were fisherman standing next to where the cache is hidden again. So next time I'm in the area, I'll given it another shot. I still enjoyed the pier and the view!

What you don't like about that cache is the very thing that others would enjoy about it.

[+TrailGators]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

Can you smell it? That is the key thing....

[Mushtang]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

Just be sure to list it as a 1/1 and a micro so those that are trying to avoid dumpsters, LPCs, guardrails, YKMs, and other caches of this kind can avoid them.

 

Well, not everyone. Some people don't think the method would do any good and will just complain about it when they find it.

 

Horses, water, etc.

[+TrailGators]

There it is again...Is it EVER going to stop?

 

Edited July 24, 2007 by TrailGators

[+sbell111]

...Would you guys rather have me not place a cache at all if the only container that will work is a Micro? My only other "alternative" would be a below-the-ground-level hide . . . and I already know how everyone feels about "buried" caches . . .

Urban hides get far more finds than other kinds. As much griping as people do about them...they have a role in caching.

The sad part is that some areas are so thick with muggles that even a micro is a real pain to retrieve. This weekend I made another attempt at a micro at the end of Oceanside pier. It's an awesome view and the perfect spot for a virtual, but as we all know those have become (mainly) micros these days. Anyhow when I got to the end of the pier there were fisherman standing next to where the cache is hidden again. So next time I'm in the area, I'll given it another shot. I still enjoyed the pier and the view!

What you don't like about that cache is the very thing that others would enjoy about it.

So? Am I not entitled to my opinion?

Did I say that?

[+TrailGators]

...Would you guys rather have me not place a cache at all if the only container that will work is a Micro? My only other "alternative" would be a below-the-ground-level hide . . . and I already know how everyone feels about "buried" caches . . .

Urban hides get far more finds than other kinds. As much griping as people do about them...they have a role in caching.

The sad part is that some areas are so thick with muggles that even a micro is a real pain to retrieve. This weekend I made another attempt at a micro at the end of Oceanside pier. It's an awesome view and the perfect spot for a virtual, but as we all know those have become (mainly) micros these days. Anyhow when I got to the end of the pier there were fisherman standing next to where the cache is hidden again. So next time I'm in the area, I'll given it another shot. I still enjoyed the pier and the view!

What you don't like about that cache is the very thing that others would enjoy about it.

So? Am I not entitled to my opinion?

[+sbell111]

There it is again...Is it EVER going to stop?

 

You know, it might be time for you to try to be a little more mature.

[+TrailGators]

...Would you guys rather have me not place a cache at all if the only container that will work is a Micro? My only other "alternative" would be a below-the-ground-level hide . . . and I already know how everyone feels about "buried" caches . . .

Urban hides get far more finds than other kinds. As much griping as people do about them...they have a role in caching.

The sad part is that some areas are so thick with muggles that even a micro is a real pain to retrieve. This weekend I made another attempt at a micro at the end of Oceanside pier. It's an awesome view and the perfect spot for a virtual, but as we all know those have become (mainly) micros these days. Anyhow when I got to the end of the pier there were fisherman standing next to where the cache is hidden again. So next time I'm in the area, I'll given it another shot. I still enjoyed the pier and the view!

What you don't like about that cache is the very thing that others would enjoy about it.

So? Am I not entitled to my opinion?

Did I say that?

So I am entitled to my opinion! Good!

[+TrailGators]

There it is again...Is it EVER going to stop?

 

You know, it might be time for you to try to be a little more mature.

I will stop if the incessant badgering also stops....

[+sbell111]

There it is again...Is it EVER going to stop?

 

You know, it might be time for you to try to be a little more mature.

I will stop if the incessant badgering also stops....

[+TrailGators]

There it is again...Is it EVER going to stop?

 

You know, it might be time for you to try to be a little more mature.

I will stop if the incessant badgering also stops....

Posting a photo of yourself? I've always wondered what you looked like... But seriously, let's all stop! Everyone is free to voice their opinion without being attacked. I do think that is how these threads are suppoed to work... Edited July 24, 2007 by TrailGators

[+sbell111]

There it is again...Is it EVER going to stop?

 

You know, it might be time for you to try to be a little more mature.

I will stop if the incessant badgering also stops....

Posting a photo of yourself? I've always wondering what you looked like. But seriously, let's all stop! Everyone is free to voice their opinion without being attacked. I do think that is how these threads are suppoed to work...

... and yet you challenged me when I gave my opinion of a cache only a few posts up.

[+TrailGators]

There it is again...Is it EVER going to stop?

You know, it might be time for you to try to be a little more mature.

I will stop if the incessant badgering also stops....

Posting a photo of yourself? I've always wondering what you looked like. But seriously, let's all stop! Everyone is free to voice their opinion without being attacked. I do think that is how these threads are suppoed to work...

... and yet you challenged me when I gave my opinion of a cache only a few posts up.

Let's please drop it! I'm turning the other cheek....

[+Miragee]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

Can you smell it? That is the key thing....

Even if you could, but you can't, would that turn you off from the experience of having seen that beautiful building you would likely have never noticed . . even if you had a reason to drive through that little community . . . ?

[+TrailGators]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

Can you smell it? That is the key thing....

Even if you could, but you can't, would that turn you off from the experience of having seen that beautiful building you would likely have never noticed . . even if you had a reason to drive through that little community . . . ?

For me, it would detract from the experience if it really smelled bad. If I wasn't caching and I saw that building and smelled the stench, I would quickly move away from the stench to look at the beautiful building from another vantage point. I'm sure that building is very nice from several angles.

[+sbell111]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

Can you smell it? That is the key thing....

Even if you could, but you can't, would that turn you off from the experience of having seen that beautiful building you would likely have never noticed . . even if you had a reason to drive through that little community . . . ?

Whether or not anyone can smell garbaga depends on a number of factors, none of which has to do with the cache.

 

I would enjoy that geocache.

[+tozainamboku]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

Can you smell it? That is the key thing....

Even if you could, but you can't, would that turn you off from the experience of having seen that beautiful building you would likely have never noticed . . even if you had a reason to drive through that little community . . . ?

Whether or not anyone can smell garbaga depends on a number of factors, none of which has to do with the cache.

 

I would enjoy that geocache.

Did the fisherman's bait smell on the Oceanside pier?

[+TrailGators]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

Can you smell it? That is the key thing....

Even if you could, but you can't, would that turn you off from the experience of having seen that beautiful building you would likely have never noticed . . even if you had a reason to drive through that little community . . . ?

Whether or not anyone can smell garbaga depends on a number of factors, none of which has to do with the cache.

 

I would enjoy that geocache.

Did the fisherman's bait smell on the Oceanside pier?

Actually, it didn't smell because there was a nice ocean breeze as there typically is odwn there. Anyhow, the point is that some smells like that are unavoidable. However, if there is an acre lot with a smelly garbage dumpster in one corner, it is avoidable IMHO. If you are looking for a tiny micro then you will be basking in that stench for several minutes while you look for the cache. So you better not be disappointed when you read some logs that say something like "Nice building but the odor from the nearby garbage dumpster was not pleasant at all." If I read that log, I would ignore the cache because I don't enjoy smelly garbage dumpsters at all.

[+The Jester]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

Can you smell it? That is the key thing....

Even if you could, but you can't, would that turn you off from the experience of having seen that beautiful building you would likely have never noticed . . even if you had a reason to drive through that little community . . . ?

Whether or not anyone can smell garbaga depends on a number of factors, none of which has to do with the cache.

 

I would enjoy that geocache.

Did the fisherman's bait smell on the Oceanside pier?

Actually, it didn't smell because there was a nice ocean breeze as there typically is odwn there. Anyhow, the point is that some smells like that are unavoidable. However, if there is an acre lot with a smelly garbage dumpster in one corner, it is avoidable IMHO. If you are looking for a tiny micro then you will be basking in that stench for several minutes while you look for the cache. So you better not be disappointed when you read some logs that say something like "Nice building but the odor from the nearby garbage dumpster was not pleasant at all." If I read that log, I would ignore the cache because I don't enjoy smelly garbage dumpsters at all.

So just find out what days the dumpster is emptied and go right after that. Oops! More homework.

[+Renegade Knight]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

Can you smell it? That is the key thing....

 

Perspective dude, perspective. Miragee's trying to frame the experience. If I went there with my buddies the odds are higher that one of them will have had a burrito for lunch and thats going to trump any dumpster in this case.

[+TrailGators]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

Can you smell it? That is the key thing....

Even if you could, but you can't, would that turn you off from the experience of having seen that beautiful building you would likely have never noticed . . even if you had a reason to drive through that little community . . . ?

Whether or not anyone can smell garbaga depends on a number of factors, none of which has to do with the cache.

 

I would enjoy that geocache.

Did the fisherman's bait smell on the Oceanside pier?

Actually, it didn't smell because there was a nice ocean breeze as there typically is odwn there. Anyhow, the point is that some smells like that are unavoidable. However, if there is an acre lot with a smelly garbage dumpster in one corner, it is avoidable IMHO. If you are looking for a tiny micro then you will be basking in that stench for several minutes while you look for the cache. So you better not be disappointed when you read some logs that say something like "Nice building but the odor from the nearby garbage dumpster was not pleasant at all." If I read that log, I would ignore the cache because I don't enjoy smelly garbage dumpsters at all.

So just find out what days the dumpster is emptied and go right after that. Oops! More homework.

[+Miragee]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

Can you smell it? That is the key thing....

 

Perspective dude, perspective. Miragee's trying to frame the experience. If I went there with my buddies the odds are higher that one of them will have had a burrito for lunch and thats going to trump any dumpster in this case.

 

 

Edit to add appropriate quote

Edited July 24, 2007 by Miragee

[+TrailGators]

The dumpster is not "next" to the cache location . . . just "nearby."

 

If I move very far away, the building isn't "framed" and the whole point of the cache placement gets lost. I spent a lot of time there yesterday afternoon, and really did not see any other way to hide a cache . . .

Can you smell it? That is the key thing....

 

Perspective dude, perspective. Miragee's trying to frame the experience. If I went there with my buddies the odds are higher that one of them will have had a burrito for lunch and thats going to trump any dumpster in this case.

I would think he would trump it an hour or so after he ate that burrito...

[+tozainamboku]

The key to hunting dumpster caches is too always approach them from up wind.

[+TrailGators]

The key to hunting dumpster caches is too always approach them from up wind.

But then Murphy's Law kicks in and will make your GPS always point at a spot downwind of the dumpster. Edited July 24, 2007 by TrailGators

[+Renegade Knight]

The key to hunting dumpster caches is too always approach them from up wind.

But then Murphy's Law kicks in and will make your GPS always point at a spot downwind of the dumpster.

 

That's why hunting isn't always easy. Cachers try to stay up wind for aesthetic reasons. Hunters for practical...Murphey comes either way.

[Mushtang]

I'm surprised nobody has brought up a dumpster attribute so they could filter it out. That seems to get mentioned every time these are discussed.

 

If I had a choice of you hiding a cache there, near the dumpster, and not hiding it at all, I'd beg you to hide it and be VERY grateful that you did.

 

If I'm in the area with nothing else offered to me except that cache I'd go find it and enjoy it.

If I'm in the area and there are other caches that seem like more fun I'd skip it and it wouldn't bring me either pleasure or pain.

If I'm in the area and decide to go find it without having read up on it or having done anything to avoid similar caches, I surely wouldn't blame YOU if I didn't enjoy the find (even though I probably would enjoy it because I got to play a secret game that most people aren't aware of and it brings me a thrill every time I come across another secret game piece).

[+TrailGators]

.....................

 

I wouldn't have an issue with caches placed next to dumpsters, if that cache had a garbage dumpster attribute I could use to ignore every cache that was next to a garbage dumpster.