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[+Mudfrog]

I disagree the breakout is needed in any place but the person's profile where it is already provided.

I agree with TotemLake. Things are fine just as they are.

 

If it ain't broke ...

This site makes changes all the time. Most of them aren't made to fix anything, but to improve functionality. I agree that the breakdown probably needs to stay on the profile but it would be nice, if, since the site allows mulitple finds, to have something like a "temporary cache" stat included there.

 

Forget my viewpoint for a moment. As it stands now, cachers who log lots of temps probably have no idea how many events they have actually attended. I would think that they would like to see the correct number showing just as much as anyone else. Wouldn't you agree that this would improve functionality for just about anyone who is interested in and looks at these numbers?

You're making a paper arguement for those people. None that I can tell have spoken up wanting to have these numbers separate. Therefore I disagree with your assumption. What I do see happening is opening these people up to abusive rhetoric over their stats.

Yes, i realize that there are cachers out there who don't care at all what their's or anyone else's smiley count is. Still, i would maintain that the vast majority do and since they do, that the breakdown would be handy for them at times.

 

As far as opening up anyone to abusive rhetoric over their stats,,, I don't see that happening. No one would call foul since, for example, temporary caches would be tallied in their own category and the events "attended" smiley would then be correct. The breakdown would simply keep everyone's numbers in the right place.

[+ArcherDragoon]

I disagree with the need to expose these counts in the manner described by the OP. It serves no positive purpose to the game or the gamers and will only provide a disservice to the folks whom chose to play that way.

If there is nothing wrong with what they are doing then the OPS idea would be no different than stating how many multis or puzzle caches someone has found. Therefore, it would only be a disservice if they were trying to hide something.

As usual, you're twisting the argument if you have nothing to hide then why worry about it. What are you, a self-appointed geocop? READ AD's comments and comment to that if you really must. He reinforced what I said would happen. He's already answering questions about his find count.

Hey,

 

Yep...my comments on my profile page are in response to such questions (though there is one in particular I would call attack)...my only saving grace is that I feel I am pretty thick-skinned (or thick-headed if you ask others ). Have I "seen" the person in threads...yep. Specific threads...I will not say, he/she/they deserve her/his/their privacy. Does it bother me...no. It has just made me realize who I am and more commited to being me and not being afraid to be me. I have been a long time lurker in the Groundspeak forums and learned pretty early that being thick-skinned is good...so, now I post...

 

I respect everyone's opinions and try not to make things personal...and try not to take things personal. But, I also don't hide how I play...I have choosen to be a voice (notice "a voice"..."not the voice"...my answers only speak for me) from the other side of the fence. I have agreed with people I have disagreed with in the past and have disagreed with people I have agreed with in the past...but I still respect their opinions no matter what I have as my opinion.

 

On topic: Yep, don't see anything wrong with the current system so why change it...nope, not hidding anything, one asks, I will tell...unless, of course I feel attacked...in which case I will just tell you off or just ignore you!!! The original post is a nice idea (yep, I said a nice idea), but I feel it would just cause new questions. So, my vote is no, but not a negative no...just no.

 

Later,

ArcherDragoon

[+TrailGators]

I disagree with the need to expose these counts in the manner described by the OP. It serves no positive purpose to the game or the gamers and will only provide a disservice to the folks whom chose to play that way.

If there is nothing wrong with what they are doing then the OPS idea would be no different than stating how many multis or puzzle caches someone has found. Therefore, it would only be a disservice if they were trying to hide something.

As usual, you're twisting the argument if you have nothing to hide then why worry about it. What are you, a self-appointed geocop? READ AD's comments and comment to that if you really must. He reinforced what I said would happen. He's already answering questions about his find count.

Lighten up. I have never emailed anyone about them logging temps. So if I was a "geocop" then I'm sure that I would be banging on some doors, but I don't do that. My thoughts and opinions stay in these threads where they belong. That is the purpose of them, is it not?

[+ArcherDragoon]

I am not saying a breakdown wouldn't be handy...just saying I don't need it. On the other hand...yeah, others would use it and it would be handy to them.

 

As I stated in my first or second post (I don't recall and am to lazy to look )...if the system for showing find changes...fine with me, I will just change with it. If it makes things easier for others, be my guest...it really would not change who I am. I guess...who knows, I may like the change...the current system is all I have known as my caching life is relatively short compared to others, so, my experience is what I base my opinion on.

 

So, that is why I read and post to forums know...learn a lot and share what I know...

 

Later,

ArcherDragoon

[+ArcherDragoon]

I disagree with the need to expose these counts in the manner described by the OP. It serves no positive purpose to the game or the gamers and will only provide a disservice to the folks whom chose to play that way.

If there is nothing wrong with what they are doing then the OPS idea would be no different than stating how many multis or puzzle caches someone has found. Therefore, it would only be a disservice if they were trying to hide something.

As usual, you're twisting the argument if you have nothing to hide then why worry about it. What are you, a self-appointed geocop? READ AD's comments and comment to that if you really must. He reinforced what I said would happen. He's already answering questions about his find count.

Lighten up. I have never emailed anyone about them logging temps. So if I was a "geocop" then I'm sure that I would be banging on some doors, but I don't do that. My thoughts and opinions stay in these threads where they belong. That is the purpose of them, is it not?

 

Geocop...no, I don't think so. From my experience...TrailGators has never been one to force an opinion. TG has had some very good thoughts/ideas/comments...what have you...I may not have agreed with them at times...and other times I have...but I still respect their opinion.

 

Let's just take a step back, take a deep breath and continue the conversation and end the argument.

[+TotemLake]

I disagree with the need to expose these counts in the manner described by the OP. It serves no positive purpose to the game or the gamers and will only provide a disservice to the folks whom chose to play that way.

If there is nothing wrong with what they are doing then the OPS idea would be no different than stating how many multis or puzzle caches someone has found. Therefore, it would only be a disservice if they were trying to hide something.

As usual, you're twisting the argument if you have nothing to hide then why worry about it. What are you, a self-appointed geocop? READ AD's comments and comment to that if you really must. He reinforced what I said would happen. He's already answering questions about his find count.

Lighten up. I have never emailed anyone about them logging temps. So if I was a "geocop" then I'm sure that I would be banging on some doors, but I don't do that. My thoughts and opinions stay in these threads where they belong. That is the purpose of them, is it not?

It was just a question. To parallel your statement; If you have never done anything in that regard, then that question shouldn't bother you... right?

[+ReadyOrNot]

It was just a question. To parallel your statement; If you have never done anything in that regard, then that question shouldn't bother you... right?

 

This sounds earily similar to when I posted a comment about logging temp caches as being "wrong" or "lying" and a bunch of people taking offense when there was no need to

[+ArcherDragoon]

It was just a question. To parallel your statement; If you have never done anything in that regard, then that question shouldn't bother you... right?

 

This sounds earily similar to when I posted a comment about logging temp caches as being "wrong" or "lying" and a bunch of people taking offense when there was no need to

Hey,

 

Yeah...it might have been me once or twice...sorry about that, my bad!!! Not necessarily in temp log threads, but others as well (and not just ReadyOrNot's posts...but others as well...).

 

Took something to be more serious then it was meant to be...I blame it on myself. I realized after posting some of my posts in other threads that I should have sat back, took a deep breath and just relaxed for a bit before I replied...never type when you get mad (especially when one has no reason to be mad).

 

Again, sorry that I may have done that at times...

 

Later,

ArcherDragoon

[4wheelin_fool]

.....I would like to see the # of finds alongside with the number of *Other* types of finds listed on the log pages.. For instance:

 

"ReadyOrNot (289,10)", with the ability to drill down to see a detailed breakdown of the different types of finds.:

 

Events Attended: 7

Temp. Event Caches: 1

Mult. Found Caches: 0

Moving caches: 2

virutal caches: 0

Archived caches: 0

Regular finds: 289

 

Let's have a positive discussion about this

 

I think that it's far too complicated, but very interesting.

 

I have, what I believe, is a better idea that more cachers will likely embrace (mostly because it's not an original idea and I know other people liked it).

 

Right now, the find count that shows next to our logs is semi-static. It updates each time the cache page is updated, such as when an additional log is made. What I would like to see happen is for another total to also be given that is completely static. It would not update when the cache page is updated.

 

This would result in the log showing the find number that the cache was, as well as your current find count.

 

If I found my 100th cache, my log would look like this:

 

November 11 by sbell111 (100/100 found)

 

As I find more caches and that 100th cache page updates, it would look like this:

 

November 11 by sbell111 (100/150 found)

 

That is an option that would be popular. Several cachers already post their find# in the logs. This would make it automatic.

 

My opinion is that as long as they leave options open and available, there would be few complaints.

 

 

Have everyone choose from:

 

-Keeping the found log as is: November 11 CacherX (150 found)

 

-Adding the # in which it was found: November 11 CacherX (100/150 found)

 

-Having no find count: November 11 CacherX

 

-Allowing a short personalized comment or saying:

November 11 CacherX (FTF hound)

November 11 CacherX (WooHoo another one!)

November 11 CacherX (DNF king)

[+TotemLake]

It was just a question. To parallel your statement; If you have never done anything in that regard, then that question shouldn't bother you... right?

 

This sounds earily similar to when I posted a comment about logging temp caches as being "wrong" or "lying" and a bunch of people taking offense when there was no need to

My entire point is no matter how or what reason you "intend" for it, there is an intended targeted audience. Hiding it keeps a small group from worrying about it, exposing it merely adds more fuel to the fire and sets up an equally small group to somebody's ire. More negative effects will come of this effort than positive effects.

 

AND no matter what side of the fence you're on, somebody will be rankled by the label as TG effectively proved even though he never participated in any geocop scenario.

Edited November 20, 2007 by TotemLake

[+Rockin Roddy]

.....I would like to see the # of finds alongside with the number of *Other* types of finds listed on the log pages.. For instance:

 

"ReadyOrNot (289,10)", with the ability to drill down to see a detailed breakdown of the different types of finds.:

 

Events Attended: 7

Temp. Event Caches: 1

Mult. Found Caches: 0

Moving caches: 2

virutal caches: 0

Archived caches: 0

Regular finds: 289

 

Let's have a positive discussion about this

 

I think that it's far too complicated, but very interesting.

 

I have, what I believe, is a better idea that more cachers will likely embrace (mostly because it's not an original idea and I know other people liked it).

 

Right now, the find count that shows next to our logs is semi-static. It updates each time the cache page is updated, such as when an additional log is made. What I would like to see happen is for another total to also be given that is completely static. It would not update when the cache page is updated.

 

This would result in the log showing the find number that the cache was, as well as your current find count.

 

If I found my 100th cache, my log would look like this:

 

November 11 by sbell111 (100/100 found)

 

As I find more caches and that 100th cache page updates, it would look like this:

 

November 11 by sbell111 (100/150 found)

 

That is an option that would be popular. Several cachers already post their find# in the logs. This would make it automatic.

 

My opinion is that as long as they leave options open and available, there would be few complaints.

 

 

Have everyone choose from:

 

-Keeping the found log as is: November 11 CacherX (150 found)

 

-Adding the # in which it was found: November 11 CacherX (100/150 found)

 

-Having no find count: November 11 CacherX

 

-Allowing a short personalized comment or saying:

November 11 CacherX (FTF hound)

November 11 CacherX (WooHoo another one!)

November 11 CacherX (DNF king)

 

I like this idea the best! Give everyone a choice (much like the choice to allow friends requests and email addy).

[+ReadyOrNot]

I like this idea the best! Give everyone a choice (much like the choice to allow friends requests and email addy).

 

I agree.. I especially like the idea of the customized message in place of find counts. I personally can't imagine anyone disagreeing... But......

[+TotemLake]

I like this idea the best! Give everyone a choice (much like the choice to allow friends requests and email addy).

 

I agree.. I especially like the idea of the customized message in place of find counts. I personally can't imagine anyone disagreeing... But......

I disagree... but only cuz I can.

[+ReadyOrNot]

I like this idea the best! Give everyone a choice (much like the choice to allow friends requests and email addy).

 

I agree.. I especially like the idea of the customized message in place of find counts. I personally can't imagine anyone disagreeing... But......

I disagree... but only cuz I can.

 

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter anyways

[+ArcherDragoon]

Have everyone choose from:

 

-Keeping the found log as is: November 11 CacherX (150 found)

 

-Adding the # in which it was found: November 11 CacherX (100/150 found)

 

-Having no find count: November 11 CacherX

 

-Allowing a short personalized comment or saying:

November 11 CacherX (FTF hound)

November 11 CacherX (WooHoo another one!)

November 11 CacherX (DNF king)

 

Now that would be great...what to choose??? Though I really like the comment options!!!

[+KBI]

Forget my viewpoint for a moment. As it stands now, cachers who log lots of temps probably have no idea how many events they have actually attended. I would think that they would like to see the correct number showing just as much as anyone else. Wouldn't you agree that this would improve functionality for just about anyone who is interested in and looks at these numbers?

"Correct" number?

 

Every cache is unique. Every cache find is unique. An event temp cache find is different from a forest ammocan find is different from a lamp post micro find is different from an MIT-level puzzle cache find is different from a guardrail find is different from a Delorme final find. Each of those finds, however, is worth exactly one smiley. Each is just as "correct" as the other.

 

I have never logged any of the evil and dreaded event temp caches, but I have multi-logged two or three other caches in the past; in each case there was a reason, and in each case it was under the request, knowledge and blessing of the cache owner. My multilogging is also apparently well within the generally accepted guidelines as described by more than one Groundspeak authority, including the Big J himself. Nobody has ever complained to me about it.

 

Are you suggesting by the language of your post that my find count is "incorrect?" Are you concerned that I somehow cheated? If so, who did I cheat? Did I abuse the system? If so, who is the victim?

 

If not, then what makes the total find count of an event multilogger "incorrect?"

[+ReadyOrNot]

Forget my viewpoint for a moment. As it stands now, cachers who log lots of temps probably have no idea how many events they have actually attended. I would think that they would like to see the correct number showing just as much as anyone else. Wouldn't you agree that this would improve functionality for just about anyone who is interested in and looks at these numbers?

"Correct" number?

 

Every cache is unique. Every cache find is unique. An event temp cache find is different from a forest ammocan find is different from a lamp post micro find is different from an MIT-level puzzle cache find is different from a guardrail find is different from a Delorme final find. Each of those finds, however, is worth exactly one smiley. Each is just as "correct" as the other.

 

I have never logged any of the evil and dreaded event temp caches, but I have multi-logged two or three other caches in the past; in each case there was a reason, and in each case it was under the request, knowledge and blessing of the cache owner. My multilogging is also apparently well within the generally accepted guidelines as described by more than one Groundspeak authority, including the Big J himself. Nobody has ever complained to me about it.

 

Are you suggesting by the language of your post that my find count is "incorrect?" Are you concerned that I somehow cheated? If so, who did I cheat? Did I abuse the system? If so, who is the victim?

 

If not, then what makes the total find count of an event multilogger "incorrect?"

 

What he is saying is:

 

The question being, "How many events have I attended?" - If the answer included the temp. caches that the person has logged, then they will not be getting an accurate answer to the question as listed. If the person wants to know how many events they have attended, they have no way of knowing because the event # includes temp caches because they logged the temp caches as events attended. Make sense?

[+TrailGators]

I disagree with the need to expose these counts in the manner described by the OP. It serves no positive purpose to the game or the gamers and will only provide a disservice to the folks whom chose to play that way.

If there is nothing wrong with what they are doing then the OPS idea would be no different than stating how many multis or puzzle caches someone has found. Therefore, it would only be a disservice if they were trying to hide something.

As usual, you're twisting the argument if you have nothing to hide then why worry about it. What are you, a self-appointed geocop? READ AD's comments and comment to that if you really must. He reinforced what I said would happen. He's already answering questions about his find count.

Lighten up. I have never emailed anyone about them logging temps. So if I was a "geocop" then I'm sure that I would be banging on some doors, but I don't do that. My thoughts and opinions stay in these threads where they belong. That is the purpose of them, is it not?

 

Geocop...no, I don't think so. From my experience...TrailGators has never been one to force an opinion. TG has had some very good thoughts/ideas/comments...what have you...I may not have agreed with them at times...and other times I have...but I still respect their opinion.

 

Let's just take a step back, take a deep breath and continue the conversation and end the argument.

Thanks AD! I see now that TL tricked me. Like any of these suggestions will ever happen. I've never seen one happen. Anyhow, if it's bad idea to provide a temp cache count then how about putting a huge neon light arrow pointing at every person that logs temps? Would that be OK? Edited November 21, 2007 by TrailGators

[+TrailGators]

If not, then what makes the total find count of an event multilogger "incorrect?"

What he is saying is: The question being, "How many events have I attended?" - If the answer included the temp. caches that the person has logged, then they will not be getting an accurate answer to the question as listed. If the person wants to know how many events they have attended, they have no way of knowing because the event # includes temp caches because they logged the temp caches as events attended. Make sense?

My count says that I have attended 21 events! Can anyone beat that?!

[+ArcherDragoon]

I disagree with the need to expose these counts in the manner described by the OP. It serves no positive purpose to the game or the gamers and will only provide a disservice to the folks whom chose to play that way.

If there is nothing wrong with what they are doing then the OPS idea would be no different than stating how many multis or puzzle caches someone has found. Therefore, it would only be a disservice if they were trying to hide something.

As usual, you're twisting the argument if you have nothing to hide then why worry about it. What are you, a self-appointed geocop? READ AD's comments and comment to that if you really must. He reinforced what I said would happen. He's already answering questions about his find count.

Lighten up. I have never emailed anyone about them logging temps. So if I was a "geocop" then I'm sure that I would be banging on some doors, but I don't do that. My thoughts and opinions stay in these threads where they belong. That is the purpose of them, is it not?

 

Geocop...no, I don't think so. From my experience...TrailGators has never been one to force an opinion. TG has had some very good thoughts/ideas/comments...what have you...I may not have agreed with them at times...and other times I have...but I still respect their opinion.

 

Let's just take a step back, take a deep breath and continue the conversation and end the argument.

Thanks AD! I see now that TL tricked me. Like any of these suggestions will ever happen. I've never seen one happen. Anyhow, if it's bad idea to provide a temp cache count then how about putting a huge neon light arrow pointing at every person that logs temps? Would that be OK?

Hey,

 

I needed a good laugh...I read the neon light suggestiong and just started laughing out loud...everyone around me started to stare and wondered if I was ok...then again, they knew it was me and "ok" is always in the eye of the beholder (way to many voices )...though...I would like to put in a request that my neon light would be blue

 

Later,

ArcherDragoon

 

AKA...Archer "TheGoon" sometimes even Archer "TheBaffoon"

[+TrailGators]

I disagree with the need to expose these counts in the manner described by the OP. It serves no positive purpose to the game or the gamers and will only provide a disservice to the folks whom chose to play that way.

If there is nothing wrong with what they are doing then the OPS idea would be no different than stating how many multis or puzzle caches someone has found. Therefore, it would only be a disservice if they were trying to hide something.

As usual, you're twisting the argument if you have nothing to hide then why worry about it. What are you, a self-appointed geocop? READ AD's comments and comment to that if you really must. He reinforced what I said would happen. He's already answering questions about his find count.

Lighten up. I have never emailed anyone about them logging temps. So if I was a "geocop" then I'm sure that I would be banging on some doors, but I don't do that. My thoughts and opinions stay in these threads where they belong. That is the purpose of them, is it not?

 

Geocop...no, I don't think so. From my experience...TrailGators has never been one to force an opinion. TG has had some very good thoughts/ideas/comments...what have you...I may not have agreed with them at times...and other times I have...but I still respect their opinion.

 

Let's just take a step back, take a deep breath and continue the conversation and end the argument.

Thanks AD! I see now that TL tricked me. Like any of these suggestions will ever happen. I've never seen one happen. Anyhow, if it's bad idea to provide a temp cache count then how about putting a huge neon light arrow pointing at every person that logs temps? Would that be OK?

Hey,

 

I needed a good laugh...I read the neon light suggestiong and just started laughing out loud...everyone around me started to stare and wondered if I was ok...then again, they knew it was me and "ok" is always in the eye of the beholder (way to many voices )...though...I would like to put in a request that my neon light would be blue

 

Later,

ArcherDragoon

 

AKA...Archer "TheGoon" sometimes even Archer "TheBaffoon"

I see that you have attended 248 23 events in 1.5 years. That is a lot of events! Maybe it's because of the long winters. I lived in Eau Claire for 7 years so I know what those winters are like. Edited November 21, 2007 by TrailGators

[+ArcherDragoon]

If not, then what makes the total find count of an event multilogger "incorrect?"

What he is saying is: The question being, "How many events have I attended?" - If the answer included the temp. caches that the person has logged, then they will not be getting an accurate answer to the question as listed. If the person wants to know how many events they have attended, they have no way of knowing because the event # includes temp caches because they logged the temp caches as events attended. Make sense?

My count says that I have attended 21 events! Can anyone beat that?!

Sure...

 

248...but then again that is with temp caches ...so, let me save some work for eveyone that is interested...

 

I have been at 23 events since starting geocaching!!!

 

...so, 10.783 "finds/attends" per event...just becuase I know that will be figured

 

Now, the question becomes...now that you offically know that about me...do you think any less of me??? (General question...not directed towards anyone in particular) Though, under some of the proposed find/log breakouts...this would have been known without my doing the work for you...or you going through my profile. So, yeah, I might be one of the few that say go ahead and make the change, I love being the target...makes me feel important

 

Later,

ArcherDragoon

[+ArcherDragoon]

I see that you have attended 248 62 events in 1.5 years. That is a lot of events! Maybe it's because of the long winters. I lived in Eau Claire for 7 years so I know what those winters are like.

LOL... ...close!!!

[+TrailGators]

Now, the question becomes...now that you offically know that about me...do you think any less of me??? (General question...not directed towards anyone in particular) Though, under some of the proposed find/log breakouts...this would have been known without my doing the work for you...or you going through my profile. So, yeah, I might be one of the few that say go ahead and make the change, I love being the target...makes me feel important Later ArcherDragoon

I knew about you before. You are known throughout the galaxy for logging temps. The force is not strong with you now, but with time you could be a Jedi!

[+Mudfrog]

Forget my viewpoint for a moment. As it stands now, cachers who log lots of temps probably have no idea how many events they have actually attended. I would think that they would like to see the correct number showing just as much as anyone else. Wouldn't you agree that this would improve functionality for just about anyone who is interested in and looks at these numbers?

"Correct" number?

 

Every cache is unique. Every cache find is unique. An event temp cache find is different from a forest ammocan find is different from a lamp post micro find is different from an MIT-level puzzle cache find is different from a guardrail find is different from a Delorme final find. Each of those finds, however, is worth exactly one smiley. Each is just as "correct" as the other.

 

I have never logged any of the evil and dreaded event temp caches, but I have multi-logged two or three other caches in the past; in each case there was a reason, and in each case it was under the request, knowledge and blessing of the cache owner. My multilogging is also apparently well within the generally accepted guidelines as described by more than one Groundspeak authority, including the Big J himself. Nobody has ever complained to me about it.

 

Are you suggesting by the language of your post that my find count is "incorrect?" Are you concerned that I somehow cheated? If so, who did I cheat? Did I abuse the system? If so, who is the victim?

 

If not, then what makes the total find count of an event multilogger "incorrect?"

 

What he is saying is:

 

The question being, "How many events have I attended?" - If the answer included the temp. caches that the person has logged, then they will not be getting an accurate answer to the question as listed. If the person wants to know how many events they have attended, they have no way of knowing because the event # includes temp caches because they logged the temp caches as events attended. Make sense?

Thanks RoN. but i think we are wasting our font here. KBI is worried about abuse, cheating, and victims, which i never mentioned in my post. I'm not sure why this is so hard for him to understand.

[+ArcherDragoon]

Now, the question becomes...now that you offically know that about me...do you think any less of me??? (General question...not directed towards anyone in particular) Though, under some of the proposed find/log breakouts...this would have been known without my doing the work for you...or you going through my profile. So, yeah, I might be one of the few that say go ahead and make the change, I love being the target...makes me feel important Later ArcherDragoon

I knew about you before. You are known throughout the galaxy for logging temps. The force is not strong with you now, but with time you could be a Jedi!

Hey,

 

Even I was wrong about my own stats if we include CITO...

 

CITO and "Regular" Events...292 "Finds/Attends"....putting me at 27 Events/CITO with 292 finds...putting me with 10.815 per event!!! There, now I can claim truth in labeling!!!

 

Trail...you just keep making people stare at me...thanks, I needed these laughs

 

Honestly...I never had anyone tell me I had the ability to become a Jedi some day!!!

 

Later,

ArcherDragoon

[+TrailGators]

Honestly...I never had anyone tell me I had the ability to become a Jedi some day!!! Later, ArcherDragoon

The first step is to resist the dark side.....

* This dog could not resist.

Edited November 21, 2007 by TrailGators

[+ArcherDragoon]

Honestly...I never had anyone tell me I had the ability to become a Jedi some day!!! Later, ArcherDragoon

The first step is to resist the dark side.....

Ha...awesome!!!

 

I see that and the "phrase" goes right through my head...

 

...Archer, I am your Father...

 

Then, I realize (given the picture)...that is wrong on so many levels !!!

 

Hey, ReadyOrNot...sorry about the off topic posts...but gotta admit, the "conversation" between us has been great...nice and positive for a change between to different sides

 

Later,

ArcherDragoon

[+ReadyOrNot]

Hey, ReadyOrNot...sorry about the off topic posts...but gotta admit, the "conversation" between us has been great...nice and positive for a change between to different sides

 

I haven't had a problem with you You at least make me laugh, as opposed to wanting to tear my hair out of my scalp

[+TrailGators]

Hey, ReadyOrNot...sorry about the off topic posts...but gotta admit, the "conversation" between us has been great...nice and positive for a change between to different sides

I haven't had a problem with you You at least make me laugh, as opposed to wanting to tear my hair out of my scalp

I know exactly what you mean ReadyOrNot! Anyhow, there is still hope for AD!

[+ArcherDragoon]

Hey, ReadyOrNot...sorry about the off topic posts...but gotta admit, the "conversation" between us has been great...nice and positive for a change between to different sides

I haven't had a problem with you You at least make me laugh, as opposed to wanting to tear my hair out of my scalp

I know exactly what you mean ReadyOrNot! Anyhow, there is still hope for AD!

Keep it up you guys and I may be forced to break out into song and dance!!!

 

Though, I am still trying to figure out how to do that in a forum post

 

...man, would I get some looks at this end...

 

..."make me laugh"...

Yeah, that is how I earned Archer"TheGoon" ...but, it really does fit!!!

 

Later,

ArcherDragoon

[+TrailGators]

Keep it up you guys and I may be forced to break out into song and dance!!! Though, I am still trying to figure out how to do that in a forum post.

Here's how:

[+ArcherDragoon]

Thanks, I will make note of that...I am sure I will need to use that in the future!!!

 

Later,

ArcherDragoon

[+TotemLake]

I disagree with the need to expose these counts in the manner described by the OP. It serves no positive purpose to the game or the gamers and will only provide a disservice to the folks whom chose to play that way.

If there is nothing wrong with what they are doing then the OPS idea would be no different than stating how many multis or puzzle caches someone has found. Therefore, it would only be a disservice if they were trying to hide something.

As usual, you're twisting the argument if you have nothing to hide then why worry about it. What are you, a self-appointed geocop? READ AD's comments and comment to that if you really must. He reinforced what I said would happen. He's already answering questions about his find count.

Lighten up. I have never emailed anyone about them logging temps. So if I was a "geocop" then I'm sure that I would be banging on some doors, but I don't do that. My thoughts and opinions stay in these threads where they belong. That is the purpose of them, is it not?

 

Geocop...no, I don't think so. From my experience...TrailGators has never been one to force an opinion. TG has had some very good thoughts/ideas/comments...what have you...I may not have agreed with them at times...and other times I have...but I still respect their opinion.

 

Let's just take a step back, take a deep breath and continue the conversation and end the argument.

Thanks AD! I see now that TL tricked me. Like any of these suggestions will ever happen. I've never seen one happen. Anyhow, if it's bad idea to provide a temp cache count then how about putting a huge neon light arrow pointing at every person that logs temps? Would that be OK?

Sorry about that, but it was the quickest way to prove a point. Comcast has stopped me from posting my animated images here. You would have received a thumbs up from me here.

[+tozainamboku]

I like this idea the best! Give everyone a choice (much like the choice to allow friends requests and email addy).

 

I agree.. I especially like the idea of the customized message in place of find counts. I personally can't imagine anyone disagreeing... But......

I like the customize message too. I want mine to say 50000 found.

[+KBI]

What he is saying is:

 

The question being, "How many events have I attended?" - If the answer included the temp. caches that the person has logged, then they will not be getting an accurate answer to the question as listed. If the person wants to know how many events they have attended, they have no way of knowing because the event # includes temp caches because they logged the temp caches as events attended. Make sense?

In that case:

 

If I want my "Attended" logs to accurately reflect the exact number of different events I have visited, then I am free to forego logging any temp caches I find at these events.

 

If I really don't care whether my "Attended" logs accurately reflect the exact number of different events I have visited, then I am free to log away to my heart's content -- as long as I do so in a way that makes the event host happy.

 

Either way, the number is "correct" because it indicates what I want it to indicate. If I have only been to four of these meetings but my eight temp logs bring the number to twelve, why should anybody care? What does it matter to anyone but me? That’s all the "correct" I need.

[+ReadyOrNot]

If I want my "Attended" logs to accurately reflect the exact number of different events I have visited, then I am free to forego logging any temp caches I find at these events.

 

You have no control over the find count as it stands now. Why do you have a problem with additional information being added.. I fully understand your problem with having information removed. Would you have a problem with everyone getting to choose how their finds are displayed? Would you have a problem if I was allowed to display "50,000" or "0" or "N/A"?

 

Would you be okay with the cacher REALLY having complete control over how the number is displayed?

[+KBI]

If I want my "Attended" logs to accurately reflect the exact number of different events I have visited, then I am free to forego logging any temp caches I find at these events.

 

You have no control over the find count as it stands now. Why do you have a problem with additional information being added.. I fully understand your problem with having information removed. Would you have a problem with everyone getting to choose how their finds are displayed? Would you have a problem if I was allowed to display "50,000" or "0" or "N/A"?

 

Would you be okay with the cacher REALLY having complete control over how the number is displayed?

Why do you have a problem with the way the numbers are displayed now? Exactly what "problem" is it that you are trying to "fix?" Why do you CARE what my find count looks like, or anybody else's?

 

What is your proposal du jour?

Edited November 21, 2007 by KBI

[+ReadyOrNot]

If I want my "Attended" logs to accurately reflect the exact number of different events I have visited, then I am free to forego logging any temp caches I find at these events.

 

You have no control over the find count as it stands now. Why do you have a problem with additional information being added.. I fully understand your problem with having information removed. Would you have a problem with everyone getting to choose how their finds are displayed? Would you have a problem if I was allowed to display "50,000" or "0" or "N/A"?

 

Would you be okay with the cacher REALLY having complete control over how the number is displayed?

Why do you have a problem with the way the numbers are displayed now? Exactly what "problem" is it that you are trying to "fix?" Why do you CARE what my find count looks like, or anybody else's?

 

What is your proposal du jour?

 

I'm past that now.. I just think it would be fun. Would you have a problem with everyone having control over how their count is displayed?

[+TrailGators]

If I want my "Attended" logs to accurately reflect the exact number of different events I have visited, then I am free to forego logging any temp caches I find at these events.

 

You have no control over the find count as it stands now. Why do you have a problem with additional information being added.. I fully understand your problem with having information removed. Would you have a problem with everyone getting to choose how their finds are displayed? Would you have a problem if I was allowed to display "50,000" or "0" or "N/A"?

 

Would you be okay with the cacher REALLY having complete control over how the number is displayed?

Why do you have a problem with the way the numbers are displayed now? Exactly what "problem" is it that you are trying to "fix?" Why do you CARE what my find count looks like, or anybody else's?

 

What is your proposal du jour?

KBI, have you come to destroy yet another thread? Things were pretty friendly until you showed up....

[+KBI]

What is your proposal du jour?

I'm past that now..

That's a relief.

 

I just think it would be fun. Would you have a problem with everyone having control over how their count is displayed?

I already have control over how my find count is displayed. I can log my finds as smileys, I can post them as notes, or I can skip it altogether.

[+ReadyOrNot]

What is your proposal du jour?

I'm past that now..

That's a relief.

 

I just think it would be fun. Would you have a problem with everyone having control over how their count is displayed?

I already have control over how my find count is displayed. I can log my finds as smileys, I can post them as notes, or I can skip it altogether.

 

I want to have the word "Poop" in place of my find count. Are you going to deny me that? Are you trying to impose your rules on my game?

[Mushtang]

If I want my "Attended" logs to accurately reflect the exact number of different events I have visited, then I am free to forego logging any temp caches I find at these events.

 

You have no control over the find count as it stands now. Why do you have a problem with additional information being added.. I fully understand your problem with having information removed. Would you have a problem with everyone getting to choose how their finds are displayed? Would you have a problem if I was allowed to display "50,000" or "0" or "N/A"?

 

Would you be okay with the cacher REALLY having complete control over how the number is displayed?

Why do you have a problem with the way the numbers are displayed now? Exactly what "problem" is it that you are trying to "fix?" Why do you CARE what my find count looks like, or anybody else's?

 

What is your proposal du jour?

KBI, have you come to destroy yet another thread? Things were pretty friendly until you showed up....

And WAAAAY off topic, but let's chastise KBI for posting ON topic because that is obviously "destroying" the thread.

 

If you guys want to have a love fest and tell each other how fun it is to post together, maybe the PMs or the Off Topic forums would be a better place for it.

 

I have a problem with people being able to put anything they want in the find count area, such as (FTF King) or (Poop), or (27,242 Found). The find count is supposed to reflect how many caches you've logged as Found or Attended, not how much you enjoy FTFs, how old you are, or a find count that's not based on how many you've logged. That's the kind of information that the profile is for.

[+Rockin Roddy]

If I want my "Attended" logs to accurately reflect the exact number of different events I have visited, then I am free to forego logging any temp caches I find at these events.

 

You have no control over the find count as it stands now. Why do you have a problem with additional information being added.. I fully understand your problem with having information removed. Would you have a problem with everyone getting to choose how their finds are displayed? Would you have a problem if I was allowed to display "50,000" or "0" or "N/A"?

 

Would you be okay with the cacher REALLY having complete control over how the number is displayed?

Why do you have a problem with the way the numbers are displayed now? Exactly what "problem" is it that you are trying to "fix?" Why do you CARE what my find count looks like, or anybody else's?

 

What is your proposal du jour?

KBI, have you come to destroy yet another thread? Things were pretty friendly until you showed up....

And WAAAAY off topic, but let's chastise KBI for posting ON topic because that is obviously "destroying" the thread.

 

If you guys want to have a love fest and tell each other how fun it is to post together, maybe the PMs or the Off Topic forums would be a better place for it.

 

I have a problem with people being able to put anything they want in the find count area, such as (FTF King) or (Poop), or (27,242 Found). The find count is supposed to reflect how many caches you've logged as Found or Attended, not how much you enjoy FTFs, how old you are, or a find count that's not based on how many you've logged. That's the kind of information that the profile is for.

 

Wouldn't it be nice if the find count told how many UNIQUE finds and attends were made? THAT should be what the find count is for...but it isn't is it? If others can put bloated numbers in their find count, why can't we customize ours too? I wouldn't want any of those sayings, but would like to have say of how my finds are reflected! Sure, mine would have the same numbers for both sides, but that would be what I want...others can have their uniques and then their "bonus" finds tallied.

 

OBTW...those posts were no more off topic than the continual harassment being seen in the other threads.

[+sbell111]

Wouldn't it be nice if the find count told how many UNIQUE finds and attends were made? THAT should be what the find count is for...but it isn't is it? ...

Actually, it does.

 

When AD goes to an event, he enters one log for the event and 9.8 logs for each unique cache that he finds at the event. From his perspective, there is no difference between the temporary cache that he finds under a pile of sticks and any 'permanent' cache that he finds under a pile of sticks. Both caches take exactly the same skill set to find and log.

 

If I were to see his find count, I would have a reasonable idea of his caching experience. In fact, my estimation of his experience would not be skewed by the temporary caches that he has found. It would be skewed by the events that he actually attended, since the temps required that he found a cache while the actual events did not.

 

If anything, the OP's request has it backwards. Showing the total find count with the number of discrete events attended would give the best estimation of experience (all caches being equal ). The OP's suggestion, however, merely muddies the waters and gives some cachers targets to scorn.

[+Rockin Roddy]

Wouldn't it be nice if the find count told how many UNIQUE finds and attends were made? THAT should be what the find count is for...but it isn't is it? ...

Actually, it does.

 

When AD goes to an event, he enters one log for the event and 9.8 logs for each unique cache that he finds at the event. From his perspective, there is no difference between the temporary cache that he finds under a pile of sticks and any 'permanent' cache that he finds under a pile of sticks. Both caches take exactly the same skill set to find and log.

 

If I were to see his find count, I would have a reasonable idea of his caching experience. In fact, my estimation of his experience would not be skewed by the temporary caches that he has found. It would be skewed by the events that he actually attended, since the temps required that he found a cache while the actual events did not.

 

If anything, the OP's request has it backwards. Showing the total find count with the number of discrete events attended would give the best estimation of experience (all caches being equal ). The OP's suggestion, however, merely muddies the waters and gives some cachers targets to scorn.

 

Thanks for your opinion...it isn't mine!

 

Giving everyone a choice of how they want their stats displayed takes absolutely nothing from anyone, hurts no one at all and would please those who want to have their stats shown to be their true count...everyone wins. If you continue to say that those who log "bonus" event temps are being hurt because they might be ridiculed, hey, you don't have to have that number show (if you're ashamed or scared how you'll be viewed). If you want to compete among groups near and far, you can have your stats show this as well.

 

Since the change being asked for would be voluntary, everyone wins.

[Mushtang]

Wouldn't it be nice if the find count told how many UNIQUE finds and attends were made?

No, it wouldn't. It would be nice if it showed the total number of Found or Attended logs were made. That's what it does now. And it's nice.

 

THAT should be what the find count is for...

According to you, but apparently not according to the folks that run this site.

 

but it isn't is it?

Nope. The site reports at total of all Found and Attended logs that are made on caches.

[+sbell111]

Giving everyone a choice of how they want their stats displayed takes absolutely nothing from anyone, hurts no one at all and would please those who want to have their stats shown to be their true count...everyone wins.

The problem is, if people get to choose any old way to have their totals posted on the cache page, it will be more difficult for these numbers to be used. It is better to have them all be simple and standardized.

If you continue to say that those who log "bonus" event temps are being hurt because they might be ridiculed, hey, you don't have to have that number show (if you're ashamed or scared how you'll be viewed). ...

Thank you for proving my point so well.

[+Rockin Roddy]

I see Mushtang...so you are opposed to people having a choice in how their stats are shown. Why?

[+Rockin Roddy]

Giving everyone a choice of how they want their stats displayed takes absolutely nothing from anyone, hurts no one at all and would please those who want to have their stats shown to be their true count...everyone wins.

The problem is, if people get to choose any old way to have their totals posted on the cache page, it will be more difficult for these numbers to be used. It is better to have them all be simple and standardized.

If you continue to say that those who log "bonus" event temps are being hurt because they might be ridiculed, hey, you don't have to have that number show (if you're ashamed or scared how you'll be viewed). ...

Thank you for proving my point so well.

yes, you can parse (surprise)...read it again...in whole please. I said you'd have a CHOICE how your stats are displayed. Are you also against personal choice and freedom to have your stats how you please? Why?