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A cache that you can find but can only log it with a note. If so, what was the reaction of local cachers?

 

We are thinking about putting one of these out. I am thinking for those that are number peeps would either not look for it or find it and then log it as a find anyway, then get mad if their log was deleted.

 

It would be a cache that would be enjoyable to most.

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What would the point of that be?

 

While the smiley isn't everything, i think it would irrirate me and probably end up on my ignore list.

 

I've found "bonus caches" and temporary event caches that don't come with smileys, and had no problem with them. But, they didn't have GC #'s or pages, and will never show up in a PQ, or on my map.

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Here is a list: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/nearest.aspx?key=do+not+log

 

But most of these have find logs.

 

The lovely scenic view at that first one would earn it's place on my ignore list before the do-not-log requirement :ph34r::(:unsure: Also shouldn't these be listed as "?" type caches?

 

Knight2000, if your cache were "not found" a few times and gathered up a lovely (like, actually lovely, not guardrail lovely) gallery of images, then I may go seek out a "not find" anyway. But the no log requirement would still irritate me. Less so because I'm not in your local area and won't be looking at the GC maps too often out there. But it still skews all of your stats, caches you aim for as milestones aren't *really* your milestones.... if it's listed here, it should be loggable here.

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It would certainly end up on my (and likely a lot more) ignore lists since that's the only way to get it off the maps and lists...but I probably wouldn't bother with finding it anyways. I myself wouldn't place one of these since I wouldn't want to take a good cache spot from someone wishing to actually publish a loggable cache!

 

Truly, there are already many caches out that you can't log here, I don't even bother to check them out since they're on another site. Maybe you might think to publish it somewhere else?

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I'd do it if I thought it would be a good time based on the description. I actually think this would be an interesting experiment to try out locally. We did it for a short time with a geocoin moving around from place to place with new coords listed for the next finder. It wasn't surprising that only a few people gave it a try though :ph34r:

 

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I've found "bonus caches" and temporary event caches that don't come with smileys, and had no problem with them. But, they didn't have GC #'s or pages, and will never show up in a PQ, or on my map.

In these parts event caches are logged over and over and over... If you are new, this is what some tell others to do for the temp caches.

 

Yes several times. I routinely ignore the dare and log it as a find.

Is that wrong? :ph34r:

Of course not. It is up to you what you do with your time.

 

I see lots of ignores. What if this cache wasnt your typical cache? What if it was a beautiful area, nice hike and a great ammo can that was well maintained? I wonder how many would do it for the cache and not the smiley.

 

We have talked about it but it seems like a lot of work and hassle.

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...It would be a cache that would be enjoyable to most.

My first question would be, how can you possibly make that statement with any degree of assurance?

Your 1,964 posts would seemingly indicate you've had at least some exposure to forum attitudes, & their propensity for finding the negative even in the best of intentions!

 

 

\even if it means creating one

:ph34r:

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I'd do it if I thought it would be a good time based on the description. I actually think this would be an interesting experiment to try out locally. We did it for a short time with a geocoin moving around from place to place with new coords listed for the next finder. It wasn't surprising that only a few people gave it a try though :ph34r:

 

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Please elaborate. What did you do with the coin?

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We took a coin, went to a local woodland park and hid it. We then posted the coords and hints to our local caching website. Then the race was on for the icon and bragging rights. The first person to find it went and hid it in another section of the same park (it's a big park) and posted new coords and hints. So on and so forth. After a while we went out, found it and put out a different coin to continue playing the game, but now for a different icon. :ph34r:

 

Now that I think about, we only quit because our old local site crashed and we lost the original thread. I think it's time to start the game again! :(

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...It would be a cache that would be enjoyable to most.

My first question would be, how can you possibly make that statement with any degree of assurance?

Your 1,964 posts would seemingly indicate you've had at least some exposure to forum attitudes, & their propensity for finding the negative even in the best of intentions!

 

 

\even if it means creating one

:ph34r:

~*

We put a lot of thought into our caches to make them fun and interesting.

 

Can i say that everyone would like to visit an abandoned area where you can remains of a village and the people that lived there during the late 1800's. No, i cant.

 

Can i say that everyone will like a well stocked, dry ammo can. No, i can't.

 

If i had to guess i would think that the vast majority would enjoy a cache like that.

 

There is some negativity about most everything. While this forum isn't what it was 2 years ago- it has a similar feel. (Most things have been discussed so much it just gets old.) Everything has a devils advocate too. I was just wondering about people who might have a cache like this in their area and how it faired.

 

This isnt aimed at being negative. It is for those cachers who dont cache for the smileys, thats all.

 

No. We dont have one like this. We have joked about it. I just think its too much of a hassle.

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Your 1,964 posts would seemingly indicate you've had at least some exposure to forum attitudes, & their propensity for finding the negative even in the best of intentions!

 

 

\even if it means creating one

:ph34r:

~*

This wasnt about discussing it. Sure- that would bring negativity. Just about finding out other local reactions if there were any like that.

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I've found "bonus caches" and temporary event caches that don't come with smileys, and had no problem with them. But, they didn't have GC #'s or pages, and will never show up in a PQ, or on my map.

In these parts event caches are logged over and over and over... If you are new, this is what some tell others to do for the temp caches.

 

 

That's something that I'd delete over and over and over...you log my event, you log it once! Of course, we don't play with those "fake" caches anyways, we place real caches for our events! Everyone plays the game differently, but that's just silly (IMHO, YMMV), if I really wanted my stats to be all screwed up, I'd just sit home and log my own caches over and over....

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I've found "bonus caches" and temporary event caches that don't come with smileys, and had no problem with them. But, they didn't have GC #'s or pages, and will never show up in a PQ, or on my map.

In these parts event caches are logged over and over and over... If you are new, this is what some tell others to do for the temp caches.
That's something that I'd delete over and over and over...you log my event, you log it once! Of course, we don't play with those "fake" caches anyways, we place real caches for our events! Everyone plays the game differently, but that's just silly (IMHO, YMMV), if I really wanted my stats to be all screwed up, I'd just sit home and log my own caches over and over....
As the Event owner you wouldn't have arranged for the temporary caches to be in place, so you wouldn't get multiple logs, so you wouldn't have to delete any. The Event owners that do want the temporary caches logged will say so, and won't delete them.
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I've found "bonus caches" and temporary event caches that don't come with smileys, and had no problem with them. But, they didn't have GC #'s or pages, and will never show up in a PQ, or on my map.

In these parts event caches are logged over and over and over... If you are new, this is what some tell others to do for the temp caches.
That's something that I'd delete over and over and over...you log my event, you log it once! Of course, we don't play with those "fake" caches anyways, we place real caches for our events! Everyone plays the game differently, but that's just silly (IMHO, YMMV), if I really wanted my stats to be all screwed up, I'd just sit home and log my own caches over and over....
As the Event owner you wouldn't have arranged for the temporary caches to be in place, so you wouldn't get multiple logs, so you wouldn't have to delete any. The Event owners that do want the temporary caches logged will say so, and won't delete them.

 

I, ummmm, realize this, I posted that for effect. Read the rest to let you know my feelings of temp caches.

 

But, to take this a bit further...since people around you would simply figure out a way to log the find anyways, what would your experiment prove??

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Here is a list: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/nearest.aspx?key=do+not+log

 

But most of these have find logs.

 

I don't believe these are what Knight2000 is talking about. These are generally micros and all "betcha can't ignore this cache" sort of hides, and the cache owner's don't care if they are logged as finds. You know, you're so addicted to geocaching that you have to go find this cache. Me, I've ignored the one in my area for years (if it's even still there), and I drove right past one on the way to other caches when caching out of town once.

 

I've never quite seen what Knight2000 is talking about doing. Will find logs be deleted?

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I've found "bonus caches" and temporary event caches that don't come with smileys, and had no problem with them. But, they didn't have GC #'s or pages, and will never show up in a PQ, or on my map.
In these parts event caches are logged over and over and over... If you are new, this is what some tell others to do for the temp caches.
That's something that I'd delete over and over and over...you log my event, you log it once! Of course, we don't play with those "fake" caches anyways, we place real caches for our events! Everyone plays the game differently, but that's just silly (IMHO, YMMV), if I really wanted my stats to be all screwed up, I'd just sit home and log my own caches over and over....
As the Event owner you wouldn't have arranged for the temporary caches to be in place, so you wouldn't get multiple logs, so you wouldn't have to delete any. The Event owners that do want the temporary caches logged will say so, and won't delete them.
I, ummmm, realize this, I posted that for effect. Read the rest to let you know my feelings of temp caches.

 

But, to take this a bit further...since people around you would simply figure out a way to log the find anyways, what would your experiment prove??

What experiment?
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A cache that you can find but can only log it with a note. If so, what was the reaction of local cachers?

 

We are thinking about putting one of these out. I am thinking for those that are number peeps would either not look for it or find it and then log it as a find anyway, then get mad if their log was deleted.

 

It would be a cache that would be enjoyable to most.

 

This could only be enforced if it were an ALR cache. If a traditional cache were ever to be setup like this I'd have to try really hard to not go cache maggot on it.. ok, I really wouldn't. But I'd think about it.

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A cache that you can find but can only log it with a note. If so, what was the reaction of local cachers?

 

We are thinking about putting one of these out. I am thinking for those that are number peeps would either not look for it or find it and then log it as a find anyway, then get mad if their log was deleted.

 

It would be a cache that would be enjoyable to most.

 

This could only be enforced if it were an ALR cache. If a traditional cache were ever to be setup like this I'd have to try really hard to not go cache maggot on it.. ok, I really wouldn't. But I'd think about it.

 

Why? Who's fault would it be if you went out to find it and then came back to log it only to find it wasn't meant to be logged? If you didn't read the listing first, YOU!! You can be mad tht it's not listed properly and you could even call it to the reviewer's attention, but it's your fault if you don't read the listing...

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I've found "bonus caches" and temporary event caches that don't come with smileys, and had no problem with them. But, they didn't have GC #'s or pages, and will never show up in a PQ, or on my map.

In these parts event caches are logged over and over and over... If you are new, this is what some tell others to do for the temp caches.

 

 

That's something that I'd delete over and over and over...you log my event, you log it once! Of course, we don't play with those "fake" caches anyways, we place real caches for our events! Everyone plays the game differently, but that's just silly (IMHO, YMMV), if I really wanted my stats to be all screwed up, I'd just sit home and log my own caches over and over....

 

Luckily that isn't a problem where I live. I'd probably delete them too, if it were. If a cache is published on geocaching.com, it's a geocache and earns a geocaching smiley. I don't make fake logs on archived geocaches for my terracache finds, because they're logged over there and aren't geocaches, they're terracaches. Same as the temporary caches, they aren't published anywhere. They're "caches" but they aren't geocaches, they're just fun.

 

But yes, I was aware that people do that. If the event host is okay with it then I guess it's okay. People who do that are only making their own geocaching stats inaccurate, if that's okay with them, who am I to say anything about it. Unless it's my event, then it's not cool. What it is, is a huge amount of emails that are going to come cluttering up my inbox, with nothing interesting to read but "temp 1, temp 2, etc." That's probably what would bother me the most.

 

I'd place permanent caches anyway, and that's usually what happens around here. The event I attended with temporary caches was structured more like a game. They had puzzles in them with the answers worth points and prizes were awarded. That was a fun activity, but I saw it as a game, part of the event.

 

If I find a geocache with a GC number listed here that I can't log, when I aim to do a special, epic cache for my 2K, do I really log on my 1999th according to gc.com? Now I don't really care that much, to be honest. I'm often months behind in logging and don't even know when my milestones happen, but it is something to think about with a cache like this.

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A cache that you can find but can only log it with a note. If so, what was the reaction of local cachers?

 

We are thinking about putting one of these out. I am thinking for those that are number peeps would either not look for it or find it and then log it as a find anyway, then get mad if their log was deleted.

 

It would be a cache that would be enjoyable to most.

 

This could only be enforced if it were an ALR cache. If a traditional cache were ever to be setup like this I'd have to try really hard to not go cache maggot on it.. ok, I really wouldn't. But I'd think about it.

 

Why? Who's fault would it be if you went out to find it and then came back to log it only to find it wasn't meant to be logged? If you didn't read the listing first, YOU!! You can be mad tht it's not listed properly and you could even call it to the reviewer's attention, but it's your fault if you don't read the listing...

 

True, but I don't usually read all of the cache pages before I set out, unless its a "?". Before I had my Colorado, I often didn't even read them until I got home. Now I read them walking down the trail. I <3 PQs

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It never ceases to amaze me how people get all riled up about what other cachers enjoy.

 

I like keeping track of my numbers, it is fun to watch them grow over the years. However, I do not go out looking for ways to increase my find. I do not run after caches that are "easy" numbers, just to see them grow. And I do not pay any attention your or anyone else's numbers.

 

Why would that bother you? Why would it bother you or me if someone else feels the numbers are the most important part of the game? Isn't that the same as those who don't like puzzles wanting to get rid of puzzle caches, or those that don't like micros hoping to stop them?

 

If your cache page is clear and the cache is listed as an ALR, I would just ignore it. If I found a cache, then could not log it, I would find a way to keep my records correct. (even if that meant logging my own cache.

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If your cache page is clear and the cache is listed as an ALR, I would just ignore it. If I found a cache, then could not log it, I would find a way to keep my records correct. (even if that meant logging my own cache.

ALR? (Annoying logging requirement?)

I totally get what you are saying. High numbers aren't important to me but numbers are. Strictly stats. I do this with everything i do. Don'T ask my why. I don't know, I am just weird. The only stat i really cared about was the amount of finds- so it would be accurate.

 

Well, that's out the window. We have found some and not logged them. Some only half of our family has found. Since number 967 is the same as 1000 (in my mind), it's all good.

 

Geocaching = Quality family time. To us, that's what it is all about. :ph34r:

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But, to take this a bit further...since people around you would simply figure out a way to log the find anyways, what would your experiment prove??
What experiment?
The one in the OP....I would call this an experimnet since that's basically what Knight has said! :ph34r:
Well I guess that's where you're confused. I'm not the OP. You quoted me, then asked what my experiment would prove. :(
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But, to take this a bit further...since people around you would simply figure out a way to log the find anyways, what would your experiment prove??
What experiment?
The one in the OP....I would call this an experimnet since that's basically what Knight has said! :ph34r:
Well I guess that's where you're confused. I'm not the OP. You quoted me, then asked what my experiment would prove. :(

 

No, that would be where you are confused. :unsure: I quoted your comment and then commented on that, then I made a new comment to the OP...but I can see where you'd get confused!! :wacko:

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But, to take this a bit further...since people around you would simply figure out a way to log the find anyways, what would your experiment prove??
What experiment?
The one in the OP....I would call this an experimnet since that's basically what Knight has said! :ph34r:
Well I guess that's where you're confused. I'm not the OP. You quoted me, then asked what my experiment would prove. :(
No, that would be where you are confused. :unsure: I quoted your comment and then commented on that, then I made a new comment to the OP...but I can see where you'd get confused!! :wacko:
Well if that's the case I would think anyone would be confused. It wasn't clear at all that you were not addressing the quoted post.
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Well if that's the case I would think anyone would be confused. It wasn't clear at all that you were not addressing the quoted post.

 

I agree, it wasn't the clearest and I already said that, but I'd guess the OP knew I was talking abou the experiment he had described...besides, that's why I separated the comments. I figured, since the OP was the only one bringing up an experiment, it would have been a bit clearer, sorry!

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I can't tell if there's really a cache there or not. The few logs that sound like they actually looked said they only found mud and thorns. But then there is a reviewer note that makes it appear to be an inside joke. Hard to tell from across the pond. Anyway, here is my favorite DNF log on that page:

 

Didn't even try not to find it.

 

:D

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... This isnt aimed at being negative. It is for those cachers who dont cache for the smileys, thats all. ...
I'm thinking that if you place a great cache, you will be rewarding those who don't cache for the smileys. You can reward these people without causing angst for many and extra work for all local geocachers (since even those who like this cache will have to put it on their ignore lists).
This could only be enforced if it were an ALR cache. If a traditional cache were ever to be setup like this I'd have to try really hard to not go cache maggot on it.. ok, I really wouldn't. But I'd think about it.
Why? Who's fault would it be if you went out to find it and then came back to log it only to find it wasn't meant to be logged? If you didn't read the listing first, YOU!! You can be mad tht it's not listed properly and you could even call it to the reviewer's attention, but it's your fault if you don't read the listing...
The cache would have to be listed as a mystery cache because it would have an ALR. All (new) ALRs are supposed to be listed as mystery caches. Regarding the 'cache maggot' comment, bflentje was merely expressing that he is irritated when people fail to list ALR caches correctly. He made it very clear that he would not actually cause the cache harm. Edited by sbell111
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I just don't understand the concept. I hide caches to read the great found it logs...and even the occasional DNF!! I guess this must be something like those liar's caches where you lie to the searchers and then they are supposed to act all "stupid" when writing the logs so as not to give away the lie (another idea I can't figure why it'd be fun)!

 

To each their own, I suppose...I'll stick to what I like!

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What if it was a beautiful area, nice hike and a great ammo can that was well maintained? I wonder how many would do it for the cache and not the smiley.

I would. As there are a few dozen caches out there with my signature on the log, and no corresponding "Found It" log, I reckon I don't qualify as a numbers ho. Your description sounds idyllic to me. However, allow me one qualifier. I'm not driving to Ohio to do it. :laughing::D:blink:

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We took a coin, went to a local woodland park and hid it. We then posted the coords and hints to our local caching website. Then the race was on for the icon and bragging rights. The first person to find it went and hid it in another section of the same park (it's a big park) and posted new coords and hints. So on and so forth. After a while we went out, found it and put out a different coin to continue playing the game, but now for a different icon. :D

 

Now that I think about, we only quit because our old local site crashed and we lost the original thread. I think it's time to start the game again! :laughing:

 

There's an actual cache very similar to this in the DC area. But apparently it was grandfathered and you can't make new ones of this sort now.

 

http://coord.info/GCD079

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I just don't understand the concept. I hide caches to read the great found it logs...and even the occasional DNF!! I guess this must be something like those liar's caches where you lie to the searchers and then they are supposed to act all "stupid" when writing the logs so as not to give away the lie (another idea I can't figure why it'd be fun)!

 

To each their own, I suppose...I'll stick to what I like!

Then we go back to the lost art of logging!

 

It goes back to the above comment? Geocachers, obey?!

 

Lots dont read the description. Its all good. It would be ok if you didnt have to delete logs. I think no matter what you asked, people would still log it however they liked.

 

Now back to figuring out what to do with these turkey giblets...

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I just don't understand the concept. I hide caches to read the great found it logs...and even the occasional DNF!! I guess this must be something like those liar's caches where you lie to the searchers and then they are supposed to act all "stupid" when writing the logs so as not to give away the lie (another idea I can't figure why it'd be fun)!

 

To each their own, I suppose...I'll stick to what I like!

Then we go back to the lost art of logging!

 

It goes back to the above comment? Geocachers, obey?!

 

Lots dont read the description. Its all good. It would be ok if you didnt have to delete logs. I think no matter what you asked, people would still log it however they liked.

 

Now back to figuring out what to do with these turkey giblets...

 

I try to read all the descriptions, and I try to leave a little something in my logs. Being a CO, I understand the fun of a well written log! I do hear what you're saying though!! My thought, this just encourages people not to do what your would rather they "do" (write a nice log). Or would you allow notes??

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I try to read all the descriptions, and I try to leave a little something in my logs. Being a CO, I understand the fun of a well written log! I do hear what you're saying though!! My thought, this just encourages people not to do what your would rather they "do" (write a nice log). Or would you allow notes??

I remember this big thread on reading the descriptions. It came down to some people just want the coords and thats it. Because of that we had to make one of our caches a mystery cache to ensure you will read things. We needed it read because permission was granted for the cache at the fire station only if you did not park in front of the fire station where they park in emergencies.

 

I love logs too. It seems to me the better the hide/adventure the greater the log. I guess it makes sense. You still get cookie cutter logs though.

 

If this was done i would want notes, so i guess that is logging still. Too much hassle.

 

I guess this thread can die. Die, die, thread! :D

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A similar idea I had when I first started playing this game:

 

Hide a local cache.

Create a second cache page with coords way out in the middle of the ocean.

(to keep it from showing up on local PQs)

Put a note in the real cache asking folks not to log anything on that page, requesting that they log their finds on the imaginary cache's page.

(that way their find count would stay accurate)

The short term goal would be to repeatedly watch folks rushing for an FTF that was already nabbed.

The long term goal would be to see how long it would last before someone broke the spell and logged it.

 

The idea died an ignoble death, for obvious reasons. :D

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I see lots of ignores. What if this cache wasnt your typical cache? What if it was a beautiful area, nice hike and a great ammo can that was well maintained? I wonder how many would do it for the cache and not the smiley.

 

 

Why can't I have both?

To answer your original question, I wouldn't ignore it. Instead, I would watch it, just to see what others were saying. If it were local, and on a trail that I had planned on hiking anyway, I may check it out. I would however, log nothing.

 

It seems to me that you have an agenda, that being that others should play the game the way that you think is best. I have read your recent posts here, and I actually agree with much of what you say. I get the impression that we probably expect the same out of the caches that we hide and those that we find. I do have a personal standard, I just don't feel that I have a right to impose that standard on others by putting strange logging requirements on my caches. (to be fair, I do have an ALR cache, dedicated to a fallen LEO.)

 

The bottom line, when I find a cache listed here, I log a find. When I don't find a cache, I log a DNF. If I am hiking by and do a friendly status check, I log a note. Asking me to do something different just to prove some sort of point in your agenda just seems silly.

 

Locally, there have been a few caches like you describe. The thing is they were basically a dare. No one ever deleted, or intended to delete a found log. They were meant to be fun. Here is one that I logged the FTF on. 12 Steps — Dillon Divide Overlook It's listed as a T4, but the route that I took added a half star. The cache is on my Top 50 caches list, and I don't ever foresee it dropping off.

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A similar idea I had when I first started playing this game:

 

Hide a local cache.

Create a second cache page with coords way out in the middle of the ocean.

(to keep it from showing up on local PQs)

Put a note in the real cache asking folks not to log anything on that page, requesting that they log their finds on the imaginary cache's page.

(that way their find count would stay accurate)

The short term goal would be to repeatedly watch folks rushing for an FTF that was already nabbed.

The long term goal would be to see how long it would last before someone broke the spell and logged it.

 

The idea died an ignoble death, for obvious reasons. :)

I guess i dont know the obvious reasons but that sounds fun. Is it because it is against guidelines?

 

It seems to me that you have an agenda, that being that others should play the game the way that you think is best.

I wouldnt say it was an agenda. I was thinking it would be more of an experiment.

 

I have an idea. What if you put the second cache coords in another cache? The second cache would not be a listed cache on the site... Eureka!

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A cache that you can find but can only log it with a note. If so, what was the reaction of local cachers?

 

We are thinking about putting one of these out. I am thinking for those that are number peeps would either not look for it or find it and then log it as a find anyway, then get mad if their log was deleted.

 

It would be a cache that would be enjoyable to most.

 

Hide a crappy guard-rail/lamp-skirt cache, with the co-ordinates to the NICE location inside.

Those who just want the smilie get it, those who want the interesting location get what they want too.

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