Does anyone know what a Boilerplate is from the DNR

[+kniezgoda]

Please let me know? there telling me I need one

[+StarBrand]

What DNR? Where? What was the context of the request?

[+hydnsek]

Assuming you're trying to place a cache on your local DNR land, sounds like someone is saying the DNR (Dept of Natural Resources) has a standard form (boilerplate) you need to fill out and submit. So you need to contact that DNR land manager and do the paperwork to get permission for the cache. That's my guess, anyway.

[+StarBrand]

Assuming you're trying to place a cache on your local DNR land, sounds like someone is saying the DNR (Dept of Natural Resources) has a standard form (boilerplate) you need to fill out and submit. So you need to contact that DNR land manager and do the paperwork to get permission for the cache. That's my guess, anyway.

My thinking as well but why didn't they just give him the form or tell him where to get one..??

[Keystone]

Here is a quote of the instructions given to the OP by the Wisconsin volunteer cache reviewer:

 

Hello, Your cache is located in a Wisconsin DNR area: NORTHERN HIGHLAND STATE FOREST. In order to have a cache in this location you must submit a notification form to the proper DNR office and add the required boilerplate. Further information on the geocaching policy can be found here:http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/parks/other/geocache.html This is the boilerplate that is needed: The Geocache Notification Form has been submitted to of the Wisconsin DNR. Geocaches placed on Wisconsin Department of Natural Resource managed lands require permission by means of a notification form. Please print out a paper copy of the notification form, fill in all required information, then submit it to the land manager. The DNR Notification form and land manager information can be obtained at: http://www.wi-geocaching.com/hiding When you have submitted the notification, re-enable the listing for further review.

The "boilerplate" language is found right within the note.

[+Lil Devil]

 

Apparantly he just read

 

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah boilerplate blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah boilerplate blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Edited February 2, 2011 by Lil Devil

[+kc9gbo]

I have a couple of caches on Wisconsin DNR land, to place a cache there you need to submit the form to them (I send them a pdf) to the local DNR contact for that area. Second, after you do that on the cache page you will need to place the following:

 

The Geocache Notification Form has been submitted to <NAME OF LAND MANAGER> of the Wisconsin DNR. Geocaches placed on Wisconsin Department of Natural Resource managed lands require permission by means of a notification form. Please print out a paper copy of the notification form, fill in all required information, then submit it to the land manager. The DNR Notification form and land manager information can be obtained at: http://www.wi-geocaching.com/hiding

 

All the details on hiding a cache in Wisconsin can be found on the following page: http://www.wi-geocaching.com/modules.php?name=Wiki&pagename=Hiding%20A%20Cache

 

Northern Highlands? Hope you follow through with the permission and get it approved so that when I'm up at Crystal Lake Campground in July I can go get it!

[+KI4HLW]

Boilerplate is slang for standardized form.

 

But I have to say the reviewer could have choosen better terminology, boilerplate is an older slang word. I doubt half the kids in my west coast college class 10+ years ago would have known what it means. Actually besides for legal circles I can't say I've heard it used in a long time.

[+Brooklyn51]

No no no.. the DNR is now requiring that all caches placed in the parks be constructed of 1/4" steel boilerplate. It does take longer to put a cache together but they last a very long time.

[+Chokecherry]

I agree that the reviewer should have used plain language instead of boilerplate. I had to dig back into the recesses of my brain to figure out what it meant. Saying simply a "form" is needed would have worked I would think.

[Keystone]

I agree that the reviewer should have used plain language instead of boilerplate. I had to dig back into the recesses of my brain to figure out what it meant. Saying simply a "form" is needed would have worked I would think.

So you'd recommend telling the hider that they must submit a form to the DNR and also include the form on their cache listing? There are two separate actions: submitting a permit form and pasting required text into the listing.

 

Sometimes finding the right words can be challenging. Is it any clearer on the linked resource at the state geocaching association's website?

[+Chokecherry]

I agree that the reviewer should have used plain language instead of boilerplate. I had to dig back into the recesses of my brain to figure out what it meant. Saying simply a "form" is needed would have worked I would think.

So you'd recommend telling the hider that they must submit a form to the DNR and also include the form on their cache listing? There are two separate actions: submitting a permit form and pasting required text into the listing.

 

Sometimes finding the right words can be challenging. Is it any clearer on the linked resource at the state geocaching association's website?

 

I'm just addressing the use of slang in what the reviewer noted. Finding the right words can be challenging but you managed to do so just now without having to resort to archaic slang.

 

The state website is very clear. Fill out the form and cut and paste some text. You weren't left trying to guess with a boilerplate was.

Edited February 2, 2011 by Chokecherry

[+Stargazer22]

Both the reviewer note and the website listings seem very clear to me. I had no problem understanding the terminology used. I guess I must be getting old or something.

Anytime you encounter a word you don't understand, it's very easy to find a meaning on the internet. Google is your friend.

[+bflentje]

Boilerplate is slang for standardized form.

 

But I have to say the reviewer could have choosen better terminology, boilerplate is an older slang word. I doubt half the kids in my west coast college class 10+ years ago would have known what it means. Actually besides for legal circles I can't say I've heard it used in a long time.

 

It is slang, and stupid slang at that. Why couldn't the reviewer just use the plain and proper English terms for what is needed?

[+bflentje]

I agree that the reviewer should have used plain language instead of boilerplate. I had to dig back into the recesses of my brain to figure out what it meant. Saying simply a "form" is needed would have worked I would think.

So you'd recommend telling the hider that they must submit a form to the DNR and also include the form on their cache listing? There are two separate actions: submitting a permit form and pasting required text into the listing.

 

Sometimes finding the right words can be challenging. Is it any clearer on the linked resource at the state geocaching association's website?

 

[+dakboy]

Boilerplate is slang for standardized form.

 

But I have to say the reviewer could have choosen better terminology, boilerplate is an older slang word. I doubt half the kids in my west coast college class 10+ years ago would have known what it means. Actually besides for legal circles I can't say I've heard it used in a long time.

 

It is slang, and stupid slang at that. Why couldn't the reviewer just use the plain and proper English terms for what is needed?

Because "boilerplate" is the commonly used and accepted word for exactly what was required? If you don't understand a word, look it up in a dictionary or Google it.

[+Chrysalides]

This seems to me useful feedback that the reviewer's boilerplate text for DNR hides may need to be reworded to prevent confusion with some people not familiar with the terminology.

[+DeepButi]

Do you mean Boilerplate?

[+KI4HLW]

So you'd recommend telling the hider that they must submit a form to the DNR and also include the form on their cache listing?

 

Yes I would actually, that is clear, precise, and to the point.

[+KBfamily]

Do you mean Boilerplate?

 

I love this answer....this poor person came to the forum looking for some help and received some jabbing...perhaps good natured but still it really wasn't nice....boilerplate could have been some geocache slang for something totally bizarre and a dictionary certainly could not assist with that...for example - I still don't know what an LPC is and no dictionary is able to help me with that...if I ask here what it means, I am sure that many of you will choose this moment to bash my mentality....I am a middle school language arts teacher and I DO know how to use a dictionary...

Now...go climb a hill and find a 5/5 to take out your pent up energy....

Edited February 2, 2011 by KBfamily

[+KI4HLW]

LPC = Lamp Post Cache, the ones under the lift-able skirt that covers the bolts that hold down the metal pole part.

 

Cool the first dozen times you find them, but tend to get old quickly.

[+bflentje]

Boilerplate is slang for standardized form.

 

But I have to say the reviewer could have choosen better terminology, boilerplate is an older slang word. I doubt half the kids in my west coast college class 10+ years ago would have known what it means. Actually besides for legal circles I can't say I've heard it used in a long time.

 

It is slang, and stupid slang at that. Why couldn't the reviewer just use the plain and proper English terms for what is needed?

Because "boilerplate" is the commonly used and accepted word for exactly what was required? If you don't understand a word, look it up in a dictionary or Google it.

 

Nope. A reviewer, which is a position of authority in terms of caching, should be clear, precise, and to the point.

[+DeepButi]

Do you mean Boilerplate?

 

I love this answer....this poor person came to the forum looking for some help and received some jabbing...perhaps good natured but still it really wasn't nice....boilerplate could have been some geocache slang for something totally bizarre and a dictionary certainly could not assist with that...for example - I still don't know what an LPC is and no dictionary is able to help me with that...if I ask here what it means, I am sure that many of you will choose this moment to bash my mentality....I am a middle school language arts teacher and I DO know how to use a dictionary...

Now...go climb a hill and find a 5/5 to take out your pent up energy....

After 20 replies I guessed the OP has enough info about his request and added a little bit of humour (or tried to).

[+Chrysalides]

for example - I still don't know what an LPC is and no dictionary is able to help me with that

This one can. I agree with what you're saying, I'm just pointing out a useful resource when talking about geocaching.

[Keystone]

So you'd recommend telling the hider that they must submit a form to the DNR and also include the form on their cache listing?

 

Yes I would actually, that is clear, precise, and to the point.

It would also be incorrect.

[+KBfamily]

for example - I still don't know what an LPC is and no dictionary is able to help me with that

This one can. I agree with what you're saying, I'm just pointing out a useful resource when talking about geocaching.

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HEY!!This is a GREAT link...thank you SO very much!!

[+Chokecherry]

So you'd recommend telling the hider that they must submit a form to the DNR and also include the form on their cache listing?

 

Yes I would actually, that is clear, precise, and to the point.

It would also be incorrect.

 

So your solution is to continue to use archaic slang? I don't particularly care about the ins and outs of what is needed to place a cache in those areas. I'm not going to take time to dissect it figuring a cacher could go read said information.

 

But the reviewer should be wording the needs in plain language and "boilerplate" is not plain language. If they need to submit a form say submit a form. If they need something on the page say that. But don't start throwing around slang that isn't widely used in geocaching or not. That's not helpful.

Edited February 3, 2011 by Chokecherry

[+WRASTRO]

I keep trying to figure out why some of the posters here think the word boilerplate is not commonly used. This is a snippet from the wikipedia article on the word:

 

"The word has also come into use for pre-created form letters on the Internet for things such as issues to be broached by a politician based on an issue ad, requesting a cable network be added to a system by a cable or satellite operator, or a pre-written complaint about something such as a program, book, or video game opposed by a group which created the letter, along with online petitions. Usually the greeting and the body of the letter have been pre-written, requiring the person requesting the action to only type or sign his name at the end."

 

Linky to wikipedia article

 

If you type boiler in a Google search, boilerplate is the second suggested topic. Seems pretty mainstream to me.

[+TerraViators]

Assuming you're trying to place a cache on your local DNR land, sounds like someone is saying the DNR (Dept of Natural Resources) has a standard form (boilerplate) you need to fill out and submit. So you need to contact that DNR land manager and do the paperwork to get permission for the cache. That's my guess, anyway.

My thinking as well but why didn't they just give him the form or tell him where to get one..??

or why not spell out what DNR is and say 'form' rather than boilerplate? That would have saved the OP some confusion. Until I read KS's post, I had no idea what it was.

[+Chokecherry]

I keep trying to figure out why some of the posters here think the word boilerplate is not commonly used. This is a snippet from the wikipedia article on the word:

 

"The word has also come into use for pre-created form letters on the Internet for things such as issues to be broached by a politician based on an issue ad, requesting a cable network be added to a system by a cable or satellite operator, or a pre-written complaint about something such as a program, book, or video game opposed by a group which created the letter, along with online petitions. Usually the greeting and the body of the letter have been pre-written, requiring the person requesting the action to only type or sign his name at the end."

 

Linky to wikipedia article

 

If you type boiler in a Google search, boilerplate is the second suggested topic. Seems pretty mainstream to me.

 

I have literally not heard that term in over 20 years and only in passing as a child a couple times. That's the only reason I had any clue what it is. It may be commonly used in your profession or where you live it certainly is not where I live. I would say judging by the posts on this topic from others that it is not nearly as common as one would think or there would be 4 pages of posts with snide remarks about how dark someone not know what it means.

[+WRASTRO]

I keep trying to figure out why some of the posters here think the word boilerplate is not commonly used. This is a snippet from the wikipedia article on the word:

 

"The word has also come into use for pre-created form letters on the Internet for things such as issues to be broached by a politician based on an issue ad, requesting a cable network be added to a system by a cable or satellite operator, or a pre-written complaint about something such as a program, book, or video game opposed by a group which created the letter, along with online petitions. Usually the greeting and the body of the letter have been pre-written, requiring the person requesting the action to only type or sign his name at the end."

 

Linky to wikipedia article

 

If you type boiler in a Google search, boilerplate is the second suggested topic. Seems pretty mainstream to me.

 

I have literally not heard that term in over 20 years and only in passing as a child a couple times. That's the only reason I had any clue what it is. It may be commonly used in your profession or where you live it certainly is not where I live. I would say judging by the posts on this topic from others that it is not nearly as common as one would think or there would be 4 pages of posts with snide remarks about how dark someone not know what it means.

Fair enough. But just because you aren't familiar with the common usage of a word does not make it archaic slang.

[+WRASTRO]

And in an attempt to stay somewhat on topic, if I had received the email in question from the reviewer, I would have understood it and known exactly what I needed to do. In fact I probably would have responded and thanked the reviewer for the succinct and complete reply.

[+StarBrand]

Assuming you're trying to place a cache on your local DNR land, sounds like someone is saying the DNR (Dept of Natural Resources) has a standard form (boilerplate) you need to fill out and submit. So you need to contact that DNR land manager and do the paperwork to get permission for the cache. That's my guess, anyway.

My thinking as well but why didn't they just give him the form or tell him where to get one..??

or why not spell out what DNR is and say 'form' rather than boilerplate? That would have saved the OP some confusion. Until I read KS's post, I had no idea what it was.

Because it isn't a form. There is a form plus some "boilerplate" text that is required on the cache page.

[+TerraViators]

still confused as to what the boilerplate text is and how it's different from the form. Does anybody have a visual example?

[+StarBrand]

still confused as to what the boilerplate text is and how it's different from the form. Does anybody have a visual example?

 

Ummmm - it was in the email sent to the OP and is found in Keystone's post above - the text needs to be on the listing page:

 

This is the boilerplate that is needed: "The Geocache Notification Form has been submitted to of the Wisconsin DNR. Geocaches placed on Wisconsin Department of Natural Resource managed lands require permission by means of a notification form. Please print out a paper copy of the notification form, fill in all required information, then submit it to the land manager. The DNR Notification form and land manager information can be obtained at: http://www.wi-geocaching.com/hiding When you have submitted the notification, re-enable the listing for further review."

 

Edited February 3, 2011 by StarBrand

[+TerraViators]

still confused as to what the boilerplate text is and how it's different from the form. Does anybody have a visual example?

 

Ummmm - it was in the email sent to the OP and is found in Keystone's post above - the text needs to be on the listing page:

 

This is the boilerplate that is needed: "The Geocache Notification Form has been submitted to of the Wisconsin DNR. Geocaches placed on Wisconsin Department of Natural Resource managed lands require permission by means of a notification form. Please print out a paper copy of the notification form, fill in all required information, then submit it to the land manager. The DNR Notification form and land manager information can be obtained at: http://www.wi-geocaching.com/hiding When you have submitted the notification, re-enable the listing for further review."

 

nope, doesn't help

[+StarBrand]

still confused as to what the boilerplate text is and how it's different from the form. Does anybody have a visual example?

 

Ummmm - it was in the email sent to the OP and is found in Keystone's post above - the text needs to be on the listing page:

 

This is the boilerplate that is needed: "The Geocache Notification Form has been submitted to of the Wisconsin DNR. Geocaches placed on Wisconsin Department of Natural Resource managed lands require permission by means of a notification form. Please print out a paper copy of the notification form, fill in all required information, then submit it to the land manager. The DNR Notification form and land manager information can be obtained at: http://www.wi-geocaching.com/hiding When you have submitted the notification, re-enable the listing for further review."

 

nope, doesn't help

 

See: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GC21403

[+TerraViators]

Perfect, thank you.

[+Coldgears]

I've never heard of boilerplate... EVER.

[AZcachemeister]

'Boilerplate' is pretty-much synonymous with 'cut-and-paste'.

I use 'boilerplate' all the time.

 

Did two series of caches this and last weekend where the descriptions were all the same (boilerplate) text.

 

Boilerplate caches get boilerplate logs.

[+WRASTRO]

I've never heard of boilerplate... EVER.

 

You most certainly have as it appears you have read this topic.

 

Once again the forums are a place for education!

[+KI4HLW]

So you'd recommend telling the hider that they must submit a form to the DNR and also include the form on their cache listing?

 

Yes I would actually, that is clear, precise, and to the point.

It would also be incorrect.

 

Dosen't this kinda prove my point though? If I can't tell the difference between what was originally said and a clear text wording then that is the definition of confusing language.

[+GeoGeeBee]

 

So your solution is to continue to use archaic slang?

 

The word "boilerplate" is not arachaic, it's certainly not slang, and it's not even jargon. It is standard English.

[+Chrysalides]

A lot of people here seem to think that just because they know, or are familiar with a certain word, that everyone else should know it as well, and that those who don't are deficient in some way.

 

I've re-read the original instructions given by Keystone and I couldn't understand it. It says:

 

you must submit a notification form to the proper DNR office and add the required boilerplate.

 

Ignoring whether "boilerplate" is a mainstream word, what I thought is that I am required to add the text to the form, which didn't seem to make much sense. When I looked at the form, there doesn't seem to be an appropriate place to put the text.

 

The missing part in that quote is "in the geocache description". I only realize this after looking at the example StarBrand gave.

[Keystone]

A lot of people here seem to think that just because they know, or are familiar with a certain word, that everyone else should know it as well, and that those who don't are deficient in some way.

 

I've re-read the original instructions given by Keystone and I couldn't understand it. It says:

 

you must submit a notification form to the proper DNR office and add the required boilerplate.

 

Ignoring whether "boilerplate" is a mainstream word, what I thought is that I am required to add the text to the form, which didn't seem to make much sense. When I looked at the form, there doesn't seem to be an appropriate place to put the text.

 

The missing part in that quote is "in the geocache description". I only realize this after looking at the example StarBrand gave.

1. To clarify, I haven't given any instructions. I have only quoted what was said by the local reviewer in Wisconsin.

 

2. In a separate reviewer note on the OP's cache page, the Wisconsin volunteer made it clear that the required text needed to be added "to your cache description."

[+EscapeFromFlatland]

Do Not Resuscitate pasta on the boilerplate.

[dnrboilerplate]

this is silly. all she asked was what a boilerplate from the dnr was because she was told she needed it. she was polite and too the point. for her efferst she got redicooled even by an reveiwer.

 

what are the forms for if you cant ask simple questions?

[+LightHouseSeekers]

for example - I still don't know what an LPC is and no dictionary is able to help me with that

This one can. I agree with what you're saying, I'm just pointing out a useful resource when talking about geocaching.

 

But,that dictionary doesn't define 'boilerplate'

[+Sioneva]

 

what are the forms for if you cant ask simple questions?

 

Rhetorical questions, of course!

[knowschad]

Seems to me the mere fact that a number of posters to this thread did not know what "boilerplate" meant is clear evidence that there is an issue with that word. 'Nuf said.