Archived ape caches

[+releasethedogs]

I am confused as to why the ape caches are archived. I realized the containers went missing but why didn't some one just replace them? Should they be brought back? Discuss.

[+webscouter.]

The containers had a custom graphic on them provided by 20th Century Fox. Since a big part of the difference in the cache was the container Groundspeak decided that since the container couldn't be replaced the cache couldn't be kept.

[+Markwell]

I am confused as to why the ape caches are archived. I realized the containers went missing but why didn't some one just replace them? Should they be brought back? Discuss.

 

What Makes and APE cache and APE cache?

I would assume that the container makes the Project APE cache, along with the neat spraypaint job on the lid, and perhaps the logbook (if it still exists). Though the container should be sufficient.

 

When the containers are gone, they are archived.

[+sbell111]

I am confused as to why the ape caches are archived. I realized the containers went missing but why didn't some one just replace them? Should they be brought back? Discuss.

 

What Makes and APE cache and APE cache?

I would assume that the container makes the Project APE cache, along with the neat spraypaint job on the lid, and perhaps the logbook (if it still exists). Though the container should be sufficient.

 

When the containers are gone, they are archived.

Yup. Definitely one of the worse decisions by TPTB over the years, in my opinion.

[+geodarts]

Since the APE caches were a movie promo, it is not unreasonable that they be archived when the screen goes blank (metaphorically).

[+kpanko]

When the containers are gone, they are archived.

Yup. Definitely one of the worse decisions by TPTB over the years, in my opinion.

I was not around back in 2003 so I am just wondering about this. Are these really special? What would I expect to find? I am imagining a cache box with a monkey face on it. I guess there were web sites that went along with the movie and "Project APE." The caches used to contain props from the movie, but those have to be gone by now. It was probably exciting back then, but now that's all in the past and I don't see what the big deal is now.

[+wimseyguy]

The big deal is that you now have to go to Brazil or Washington if you want the icon.

[+sbell111]

When the containers are gone, they are archived.

Yup. Definitely one of the worse decisions by TPTB over the years, in my opinion.

I was not around back in 2003 so I am just wondering about this. Are these really special? What would I expect to find? I am imagining a cache box with a monkey face on it. I guess there were web sites that went along with the movie and "Project APE." The caches used to contain props from the movie, but those have to be gone by now. It was probably exciting back then, but now that's all in the past and I don't see what the big deal is now.

I'm not really interested in retrying bad decisions from several years ago, but the original swag was probably gone for most of these within the first few months. Certainly, no one really is going to make the argument that once the original swag is gone a cache should be archived, nor should a cache be archived simply because a container gets replaced.

[+dfx]

Certainly, no one really is going to make the argument that once the original swag is gone a cache should be archived, nor should a cache be archived simply because a container gets replaced.

 

Unless the CO wants to. Isn't that your usual stance on most everything?

[+sbell111]

Certainly, no one really is going to make the argument that once the original swag is gone a cache should be archived, nor should a cache be archived simply because a container gets replaced.

 

Unless the CO wants to. Isn't that your usual stance on most everything?

In many areas, I am for cache owner discretion. In some cases, I am for reasonable limits on cache owner authority. In this instance, I am for cache owner judgement.

 

That's actually why I was against the rule that ape caches couldn't be adopted and why I am against the idea that if the container needed to be replaced, then the cache must be archived. Whether to repair or archive a cache is a decision that should be left to the cache owner, as is the decision to adopt it out to someone else.

Edited March 17, 2011 by sbell111

[+Sagefox]

Yup. Definitely one of the worse decisions by TPTB over the years, in my opinion.

 

This sounds a bit harsh. Some things just pass-on with time and it might be best to let them go. It seems that the icon has become more important than the caches.

[+sbell111]

Yup. Definitely one of the worse decisions by TPTB over the years, in my opinion.

This sounds a bit harsh.

I merely gave my opinion of the decision. My feelings are what they are. As much as I agree with many of the decisions made by tptb, this is one that I cannot agree with. Frankly, it never made sense to me and I don't see the benefit of it.

Some things just pass-on with time and it might be best to let them go. It seems that the icon has become more important than the caches.

The same could be said about most any 'historical' cache.

[+ZSandmann]

Since someone stole the lid off the Ape Cache in Washington during Geowoodstock last year, should it be half-archived?

 

BTW, what came of that? I assume a fitting lid was found to replace it.

[+PhatBldGuy]

A lid was found and it was replaced. Just an FYI as well, the tunnel that was closed a few years back for safety reasons will once again be open this spring/summer and there will be another APE EVENT to help celebrate that. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GC2Q7MF. Also this cache was adopted by WSGA and is still a very active cache.

[+ZSandmann]

Great to hear, some people are just born jerks. I was in no way saying the cache should be archived, I was just being humorous.

[+Markwell]

Ship of Theseus or

 

Grandfather's Axe by Daniel Ribot

You may have heard this before", I began, "The story is about a peasant who is happy that his grandfather gifted him his old axe. He uses it often to chop wood. After a number of months the axe-handle breaks and it has to be replaced so he gets a new one. Years after that, the metal axe-head cracks and must also be changed. He does so. The peasant still refers to the object as his 'grandfather's axe' even though no part of it remains from the original gift. It has a different handle and a different head. But to him and to all who know of this object it is still grandfather's axe.

[+briansnat]

Ship of Theseus or

 

Grandfather's Axe by Daniel Ribot

You may have heard this before", I began, "The story is about a peasant who is happy that his grandfather gifted him his old axe. He uses it often to chop wood. After a number of months the axe-handle breaks and it has to be replaced so he gets a new one. Years after that, the metal axe-head cracks and must also be changed. He does so. The peasant still refers to the object as his 'grandfather's axe' even though no part of it remains from the original gift. It has a different handle and a different head. But to him and to all who know of this object it is still grandfather's axe.

 

Though that can be said for any cache that has been replaced.

[+briansnat]

Certainly, no one really is going to make the argument that once the original swag is gone a cache should be archived, nor should a cache be archived simply because a container gets replaced.

 

Unless the CO wants to. Isn't that your usual stance on most everything?

 

If I recall correctly the CO made the call to archive the MD A.P.E., to the chagrin of many.

[+geodarts]

A lid was found and it was replaced. Just an FYI as well, the tunnel that was closed a few years back for safety reasons will once again be open this spring/summer and there will be another APE EVENT to help celebrate that. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GC2Q7MF. Also this cache was adopted by WSGA and is still a very active cache.

 

Great news about the tunnel! We made a whirlwind tour to that area a few years ago, got there the day after the tunnel opened for the season, and had a great time. The cache would not be the same without it.

[+Harry Dolphin]

If I recall correctly the CO made the call to archive the MD A.P.E., to the chagrin of many.

 

Not the way I remember the story. AFAIK, the cache was replaced with a different container, and the CO was not given any option. But, when you get to be my age, the memory is the second thing to go.

Just sorry I wasn't geocaching before the one in Central Park disappeared.

[+tozainamboku]

Ship of Theseus or

 

Grandfather's Axe by Daniel Ribot

You may have heard this before", I began, "The story is about a peasant who is happy that his grandfather gifted him his old axe. He uses it often to chop wood. After a number of months the axe-handle breaks and it has to be replaced so he gets a new one. Years after that, the metal axe-head cracks and must also be changed. He does so. The peasant still refers to the object as his 'grandfather's axe' even though no part of it remains from the original gift. It has a different handle and a different head. But to him and to all who know of this object it is still grandfather's axe.

 

Though that can be said for any cache that has been replaced.

except if it is on a power trail and the owner is ok with the drop and swap technique

[Moun10Bike]

A lid was found and it was replaced. Just an FYI as well, the tunnel that was closed a few years back for safety reasons will once again be open this spring/summer and there will be another APE EVENT to help celebrate that. http://www.geocachin...spx?wp=GC2Q7MF. Also this cache was adopted by WSGA and is still a very active cache.

 

As far as I know, I still own the Mission 9 APE cache.

 

The lid was stolen twice last year - once right before GeoWoodstock, and a second time on November 12th (coincidentally during the time when a known trouble-maker with a grudge against me and Groundspeak was visiting Washington). In both instances, the lid was replaced ASAP, although I have abandoned the idea of riveting geocoins to the lid anymore.

[4wheelin_fool]

Ship of Theseus or

 

Grandfather's Axe by Daniel Ribot

You may have heard this before", I began, "The story is about a peasant who is happy that his grandfather gifted him his old axe. He uses it often to chop wood. After a number of months the axe-handle breaks and it has to be replaced so he gets a new one. Years after that, the metal axe-head cracks and must also be changed. He does so. The peasant still refers to the object as his 'grandfather's axe' even though no part of it remains from the original gift. It has a different handle and a different head. But to him and to all who know of this object it is still grandfather's axe.

 

Nearly every cell in the human body gets replaced on a regular basis. We are all living, moving versions of his grandfathers axe.