He is a TROLL! Right? Worst Cache Ever!

[+AmishHacker]

Ok... This guy is not serious is he? Is it a joke looking for a reaction (Internet Troll). Has anyone ever seen a cache this bad in real life?

 

 

or here

 

Amish Hacker

[+Turtle_Sask]

Ok... This guy is not serious is he? Is it a joke looking for a reaction (Internet Troll). Has anyone ever seen a cache this bad in real life?

 

 

or here

 

Amish Hacker

 

This has to be a joke! I would say a troll forsure

[Keystone]

The cache does not meet the listing guidelines because it lacks a logbook. Scratching your name on the outside of the container is not a logbook. A "cache container" is defined as something that encloses ("contains") the logbook.

 

Once you add the piece of paper inside the bottle, the secret of this "cache" is spoiled.

 

The Listing Guidelines: Hate them in one thread, love them in the next one.

[4wheelin_fool]

Using items disguised as trash can be clever if it's done right. A cranberry juice bottle painted dark red inside, and with a bison tube set under the cap in cement is clever and makes it appear that it is full. A water bottle twisted up and discarded without a paper log is not a cache and is more like actual garbage.

[knowschad]

I thought for sure that it was a lampoon, until I checked some of his other cache ideas.

 

This one, another piece of litter, at least has a real log:

 

This one would last all of about two finders, if that...

 

[+The A-Team]

This has to be a joke! I would say a troll forsure

I would have thought so, too, until I found their caching profile...

They've found over 3200 caches and hidden 219! I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of these geo-trashes are already out there.

Look out Missouri!

[+kunarion]

This has to be a joke! I would say a troll forsure

I would have thought so, too, until I found their caching profile...

They've found over 3200 caches and hidden 219! I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of these geo-trashes are already out there.

Look out Missouri!

At what point do people get bored with placing nice containers, and start hiding flat water bottles? I need to know, because I need to stop Geocaching before that happens to me.

Edited October 6, 2012 by kunarion

[knowschad]

This has to be a joke! I would say a troll forsure

I would have thought so, too, until I found their caching profile...

They've found over 3200 caches and hidden 219! I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of these geo-trashes are already out there.

Look out Missouri!

 

I also managed to figure out who the cacher is, and after looking through their gallery and some of their caches, I'm back to thinking that the video was probably a spoof. He appears to be a well respected, very active cacher. He has one hide with 25 favs, another with 19. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[+jellis]

You mean all those caches where cachers had signed their name on tree branches, bird houses, abandoned vehicles aren't really caches?

[knowschad]

You mean all those caches where cachers had signed their name on tree branches, bird houses, abandoned vehicles aren't really caches?

 

The magnetic vinyl sheet caches have not been allowed for several years now, unless they have some sort of a "contained" log.

[+jellis]

You mean all those caches where cachers had signed their name on tree branches, bird houses, abandoned vehicles aren't really caches?

 

The magnetic vinyl sheet caches have not been allowed for several years now, unless they have some sort of a "contained" log.

Mine do but not sure how that relates to the ones I mentioned.

I am talking about pieces of wood you sign, a birdhouse you sign or the outside of a vehicle. None have logsheets.

Edited October 6, 2012 by jellis

[+WarNinjas]

I'm making the water bottle one right now!

[+dprovan]

I've CITO bottles that looked just like that many times. I wonder if any of them were a cache I couldn't find.

[+moose61]

The name of the video is wrong. It should read: "How to give Geocaching a bad name..."

[+NYPaddleCacher]

You mean all those caches where cachers had signed their name on tree branches, bird houses, abandoned vehicles aren't really caches?

 

The magnetic vinyl sheet caches have not been allowed for several years now, unless they have some sort of a "contained" log.

Mine do but not sure how that relates to the ones I mentioned.

I am talking about pieces of wood you sign, a birdhouse you sign or the outside of a vehicle. None have logsheets.

 

The reviewer may not have been aware (because they were not informed) that those caches did not have log sheets when they were published. If a reviewer *did* become aware of a cache that did not have a container (I agree with keystones definition) they would have cause to archive caches. Those caches are a good examples for why the "there is no precedent for placing geocaches" exists. The fact there are caches out there that don't have container "is not a valid justification for the publication of a new geocache."

[knowschad]

You mean all those caches where cachers had signed their name on tree branches, bird houses, abandoned vehicles aren't really caches?

 

The magnetic vinyl sheet caches have not been allowed for several years now, unless they have some sort of a "contained" log.

Mine do but not sure how that relates to the ones I mentioned.

I am talking about pieces of wood you sign, a birdhouse you sign or the outside of a vehicle. None have logsheets.

I've never seen any like those. Well, wait... yes, there was one birdhouse cache that was like that, but it was a very old cache. All other birdhouse caches that I've seen open up and have not only a logbook, but an inner container of some sort. I only mentioned the magnetic signs because that was the only sort of cache I've seen that frequently had you signing the object itself.

[4wheelin_fool]

I'm making the water bottle one right now!

 

Internet troll! :

 

The video has 5500 views, and a 91% thumbs down rating. Perhaps there are other videos that are rated higher to peruse?

[7rxc]

Since all drink containers up here in BC are refundables (5 cents for that one) they would not survive long even in that flattened condition. Many collect those things while walking along even when caching. I get a couple of bucks a week that way while getting exercise or the odd cache. At least Geocachers might have a set of coordinates to make them consider the possibility there might be something like that at a given GZ and at least inspect their bottles. Pine cones on the ground might work better.

 

Doug 7rxc

[+Sharks-N-Beans]

I also managed to figure out who the cacher is, and after looking through their gallery and some of their caches, I'm back to thinking that the video was probably a spoof. He appears to be a well respected, very active cacher. He has one hide with 25 favs, another with 19. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

"Active cacher" does not buy a pass on bad judgement though.

[+The A-Team]

"Active cacher" does not buy a pass on bad judgement though.

Exactly. Even if they made those videos as spoofs, some new cachers might think it's a perfectly valid hiding method and do it themselves. If it's a spoof, say so in the title and description of the video. Add something like "This is just a joke, not a valid hiding method, DON'T HIDE A CACHE LIKE THIS!"

[+GeoBain]

"Active cacher" does not buy a pass on bad judgement though.

Exactly. Even if they made those videos as spoofs, some new cachers might think it's a perfectly valid hiding method and do it themselves. If it's a spoof, say so in the title and description of the video. Add something like "This is just a joke, not a valid hiding method, DON'T HIDE A CACHE LIKE THIS!"

 

Because everything needs to always be spelled out explicitly for everyone?

 

I learned the hard way that it is best not to jump to conclusions.

 

Everyone has a responsibilty to read and follow the guidelines when placing a cache. You should never assume something is ok just because you saw someone else do it. Take some personal responsibility and don't rely on someone spellingg it all out for you.

[+Sharks-N-Beans]

Take some personal responsibility and don't rely on someone spellingg it all out for you.

 

s p e l l i n g

[+GeoBain]

Take some personal responsibility and don't rely on someone spellingg it all out for you.

 

s p e l l i n g

 

I wuz gonna edit it. But since I wasn't creetickin nobodeez grammer, Ize desided to leeve it.

 

BTW, the creaor ov theze videoz is a funny guy.

 

[+T.D.M.22]

Since all drink containers up here in BC are refundables (5 cents for that one) they would not survive long even in that flattened condition. Many collect those things while walking along even when caching. I get a couple of bucks a week that way while getting exercise or the odd cache. At least Geocachers might have a set of coordinates to make them consider the possibility there might be something like that at a given GZ and at least inspect their bottles. Pine cones on the ground might work better.

 

Doug 7rxc

 

....A few bucks? I used to make $5-$10 worth of bottles/cans on a slow night at work. just pick the ones that are on the ground and on top in the garbage when I was emptying it. That's without digging through it....And I actually did CITO a cache once. Was at a wedding and there was a cache nearby so of course I have to look for it. couldn't find it but found an old broken whistle and threw it out. The next day I found another cache by the same CO in the same container....oops.

[+The A-Team]

I learned the hard way that it is best not to jump to conclusions.

 

Everyone has a responsibilty to read and follow the guidelines when placing a cache. You should never assume something is ok just because you saw someone else do it. Take some personal responsibility and don't rely on someone spellingg it all out for you.

I agree with all this, but unfortunately not everyone is that responsible. It's a sad part of modern society, but some people really do need to have everything spelled out for them. If we don't spell it out for them, we might end up with drinking straws and plastic bottles scattered all over the place.

 

Now, I'm off to try to figure out how to turn a stick of celery into a cache...

[+GeoBain]

I learned the hard way that it is best not to jump to conclusions.

 

Everyone has a responsibilty to read and follow the guidelines when placing a cache. You should never assume something is ok just because you saw someone else do it. Take some personal responsibility and don't rely on someone spellingg it all out for you.

I agree with all this, but unfortunately not everyone is that responsible. It's a sad part of modern society, but some people really do need to have everything spelled out for them. If we don't spell it out for them, we might end up with drinking straws and plastic bottles scattered all over the place.

 

Now, I'm off to try to figure out how to turn a stick of celery into a cache...

 

I don't buy into the theory of dumbing things down because some people can't think for themselves.

 

To the OP's question, I think the videos are spoofs. There are a lot of humorous videos on his channel. And just because someone posts humorous videos, it does not make that person an internet troll. If that is true, Jerry Seinfeld is an internet troll.

[+tozainamboku]

The cache does not meet the listing guidelines because it lacks a logbook. Scratching your name on the outside of the container is not a logbook. A "cache container" is defined as something that encloses ("contains") the logbook.

 

Once you add the piece of paper inside the bottle, the secret of this "cache" is spoiled.

 

The Listing Guidelines: Hate them in one thread, love them in the next one.

 

The only rationale I've come up with for this guideline is that once the log is full the owner (or another cacher) should be able to do maintenance by replacing the log sheet.

 

I doubt a cache like this would last until the bottle is completely covered in names. Even if that happen, I can't imagine why maintenance couldn't be just leaving a new bottle. Of course a finder might use a sticker or leave a log sheet in the bottle when there is no more space to scratch their name.

 

I don't like the must "have a logsheet" guideline. I have found many caches (some that predate the guideline) that use some clever method of signing the log and these were quite memorable and enjoyable (far more so that a cache disguised as a trash bottle). If I couldn't sign with a pen or pencil, this was no different than any other cache that requires using a TOTT.

 

The requirement to have paper log to sign with pen or pencil is just too "puritan" for me. It makes the log singing a trivial technicality that I would just as soon skip. If the rules allowed for making the physical logging more interesting and more of a challenge, I'd be less incline to continue my position that the signing of the physical log has nothing to do with finding a cache or being able to log it as found online.

[+Sharks-N-Beans]

To the OP's question, I think the videos are spoofs. There are a lot of humorous videos on his channel. And just because someone posts humorous videos, it does not make that person an internet troll. If that is true, Jerry Seinfeld is an internet troll.

 

Just to set things straight, the video is a spoof, or "folly" to use the maker's word. There is no doubt that he is not a troll. But, I still believe that uploading a video which can be humorous to those in the know and equally damaging when viewed by those who do not know the intent, demonstrates poor judgement.

[knowschad]

Take some personal responsibility and don't rely on someone spellingg it all out for you.

 

s p e l l i n g

 

Hah! Good old Muphry's Law. Gets you every time!

[knowschad]

It feels wrong to me to be discussing another cacher behind their back like this. Has anybody yet invited the video producer here for the discussion?

[+NYPaddleCacher]

Since all drink containers up here in BC are refundables (5 cents for that one) they would not survive long even in that flattened condition. Many collect those things while walking along even when caching. I get a couple of bucks a week that way while getting exercise or the odd cache. At least Geocachers might have a set of coordinates to make them consider the possibility there might be something like that at a given GZ and at least inspect their bottles. Pine cones on the ground might work better.

 

Doug 7rxc

 

....A few bucks? I used to make $5-$10 worth of bottles/cans on a slow night at work. just pick the ones that are on the ground and on top in the garbage when I was emptying it. That's without digging through it....And I actually did CITO a cache once. Was at a wedding and there was a cache nearby so of course I have to look for it. couldn't find it but found an old broken whistle and threw it out. The next day I found another cache by the same CO in the same container....oops.

 

It's good to know that I'm not the only one that has CITOd a cache container. My experience had an interesting twist. It was a new cache, rated 4 stars for difficult, and was located a few hundred feet from where my son goes of gymnastics practice. It had not yet been found on a day that he had practice so I went off in search for it after my son started his class. I looked around for awhile in the large rocks that formed a levee along a nearby creek. I found a white bic pen that I assumed was garbage so stuck it into my pocket. I had to get back to pick up my son and on the walk back I encountered what looked to me to be a small pile of bear scat (no more than 150 feet or so from the gymnastics facility). I thought I'd take a picture of it and post it here to see if someone could confirm if it *was* bear scat. In order to give the pile some scale I placed that bic pen next to it, then posted a photo here in the forums (where most agreed that it probably was bear scat). Later that evening I was thinking about the cache and wondered....I pulled the pen out of my pocket, opened it up, and sure enough, it had a log sheet inside. Not only had I CITOd the container but I posted a picture of it in the online forums. I immediately contacted the CO, told him what happened, and he disabled the cache until I could replace it a couple of days later. As you might expect, a bic pen isn't the best container for keeping a log sheet dry and after the next couple of finders reported a soggy log, it was archived.

[+SterlingConnie]

I figured since those are my videos I should add something.

Honestly I surprised by the amount of distress caused by the waterbottle cache.

I suppose it would fall into the category of “trash caches”.

Probably most of us have found caches of this type.

Items destined for our trash cans end up as geocache containers all the time.

Items like: altoid cans, ice cream buckets, peanut butter jars, coffee cans, and a host of other food related containers.

Since I usually don't troll the forums much, I wonder if there are similar conservations frowning on like cache setups?

Concerning the comment on the “Leaf Sandwich” container....

Hate to be a bubble buster here, but I actually have this setup in place, and has been for 3.5yrs now.

Not only has it survived well beyond on 2 finders, the ORIGINAL CONTAINER AND LOG are to this very day in fine shape.

Next.....concerning the container and logbook.

I not a guideline placement expert, but have a general understanding of them, so it's possible I've overlooked something in that respect?

Could someone direct me to the section concerning the logbook?

[+BBWolf+3Pigs]

I figured since those are my videos I should add something.

Honestly I surprised by the amount of distress caused by the waterbottle cache.

I suppose it would fall into the category of “trash caches”.

Probably most of us have found caches of this type.

Items destined for our trash cans end up as geocache containers all the time.

Items like: altoid cans, ice cream buckets, peanut butter jars, coffee cans, and a host of other food related containers.

Since I usually don't troll the forums much, I wonder if there are similar conservations frowning on like cache setups?

 

Plenty of discussions on carpy cache containers, like the ones you mentioned. I think one of the bigger concerns with your water bottle cache is that is truly looks like a piece of trash. An Altoids tin with a magnet in a guardrail, while not a great container, will probably not get CITO'ed by a cacher or muggle.

 

Next.....concerning the container and logbook.

I not a guideline placement expert, but have a general understanding of them, so it's possible I've overlooked something in that respect?

Could someone direct me to the section concerning the logbook?

 

Here is a link to the section, and quoted:

 

2.1. Listing Guidelines that Apply to All Geocaches

...

3. Geocache Contents

1. Cache containers include a logsheet or logbook. For all physical caches, there must be a logbook, scroll or other type of log for geocachers to record their visit.

[+kunarion]

Concerning the comment on the “Leaf Sandwich” container....

Hate to be a bubble buster here, but I actually have this setup in place, and has been for 3.5yrs now

I don't see a leaf sandwich comment. How do you prevent the duct tape from separating, or keep the plastic bag watertight? How can the leaves last more than a find or two? Those are dry ordinary leaves, and all the rest of the leaves around that tree biodegrade in a few weeks. I've considered natural camo, but it disintegrates almost immediately. Caches are out there, but have only a few remaining tufts of moss or bark, the camo just does not hold up over time. How could there be anything more than remnants on the duct tape (what's left of even the duct tape) after three years? I was expecting an amazing leaf preservation technique.

 

It is so easy to make (while you can still find leaves), you could of course expect it to fall apart every few finds, and replace it. But 3 years would be the absolute best case scenario.

Edited October 7, 2012 by kunarion

[+M 5]

 

I don't see a leaf sandwich comment.

 

Hope you find geocaches better than statements on the forums.

 

As someone who seldom hides "normal" caches, I can understand many of the container choices. Although some of them might not be the best ideas, new/unique ideas are hard to come by these days and I appreciate the effort. I have found several of the CO's caches and have looked at many more, and may get to some of them someday. In that area, there is a nice sized group that I have noticed from afar likes to create difficult hides to stump their friends. There are many in the springfield/branson up to columbia area that have VERY few finds. Those are the ones I target in my travels. I've enjoyed all the CO's caches, but to be honest, I haven't found, or looked for any of the examples shown. One of the key points to note, is that if you use containers that have a greater than normal chance to get muggled or ruined, they can be fine if they get more attention (i.e. maint) from the owner. I haven't looked to see if the CO in the examples does, but I do know that knowschad was correct with his statement that the CO is well respected. He is also a charter member and still active and answered every private email about his caches that I have sent (and no, I don't know or have ever met him, just an area I travel to from time to time)

[knowschad]

I don't see a leaf sandwich comment.

 

Hope you find geocaches better than statements on the forums.

 

As someone who seldom hides "normal" caches, I can understand many of the container choices. Although some of them might not be the best ideas, new/unique ideas are hard to come by these days and I appreciate the effort. I have found several of the CO's caches and have looked at many more, and may get to some of them someday. In that area, there is a nice sized group that I have noticed from afar likes to create difficult hides to stump their friends. There are many in the springfield/branson up to columbia area that have VERY few finds. Those are the ones I target in my travels. I've enjoyed all the CO's caches, but to be honest, I haven't found, or looked for any of the examples shown. One of the key points to note, is that if you use containers that have a greater than normal chance to get muggled or ruined, they can be fine if they get more attention (i.e. maint) from the owner. I haven't looked to see if the CO in the examples does, but I do know that knowschad was correct with his statement that the CO is well respected. He is also a charter member and still active and answered every private email about his caches that I have sent (and no, I don't know or have ever met him, just an area I travel to from time to time)

 

The "leaf sandwich" comment was mine. I have a cache out now, and had another years ago, that used real dried leaf matter as camo, but mine was completely glued to the container, then covered with several layers of matte clear finish. I just didn't (and still don't) see how fragile dried leaves glued on like in the video can really withstand handling, given my own experience using leaves in a somewhat similar manner.

 

I would hardly class peanut butter jars with those other "trash containers" that were referred to (altoid cans, ice cream buckets, peanut butter jars, coffee cans, and a host of other food related containers.) Peanut butter jars make excellent containers. I have found literally thousands of them. I agree wholeheartedly that the others generally make lousy containers (although any container will work in the right circumstances).

 

Anyway, glad you showed up, SterlingConnie. And thanks for trying to come up with original ideas, even if a few of them hit the fan. It happens.

[7rxc]

Since all drink containers up here in BC are refundables (5 cents for that one) they would not survive long even in that flattened condition. Many collect those things while walking along even when caching. I get a couple of bucks a week that way while getting exercise or the odd cache. At least Geocachers might have a set of coordinates to make them consider the possibility there might be something like that at a given GZ and at least inspect their bottles. Pine cones on the ground might work better.

 

Doug 7rxc

 

....A few bucks? I used to make $5-$10 worth of bottles/cans on a slow night at work. just pick the ones that are on the ground and on top in the garbage when I was emptying it. That's without digging through it....And I actually did CITO a cache once. Was at a wedding and there was a cache nearby so of course I have to look for it. couldn't find it but found an old broken whistle and threw it out. The next day I found another cache by the same CO in the same container....oops.

 

Hey, I said it was that good when I wasn't really picking cans, I can do much better when serious about it. There are some here who do it full time, since they need it to survive, I mostly let them... I do the harder spots as Search practise.

 

Doug 7rxc

[7rxc]

I learned the hard way that it is best not to jump to conclusions.

 

Everyone has a responsibilty to read and follow the guidelines when placing a cache. You should never assume something is ok just because you saw someone else do it. Take some personal responsibility and don't rely on someone spellingg it all out for you.

I agree with all this, but unfortunately not everyone is that responsible. It's a sad part of modern society, but some people really do need to have everything spelled out for them. If we don't spell it out for them, we might end up with drinking straws and plastic bottles scattered all over the place.

 

Now, I'm off to try to figure out how to turn a stick of celery into a cache...

Just put it into a Lock 'n Lock storage box for weather protection, hide in a refrigerator.

 

Doug 7rxc

[+Sharks-N-Beans]

WOW!...Guess it wasn't a spoof. I stand corrected.

[+kunarion]

The "leaf sandwich" comment was mine. I have a cache out now, and had another years ago, that used real dried leaf matter as camo, but mine was completely glued to the container, then covered with several layers of matte clear finish. I just didn't (and still don't) see how fragile dried leaves glued on like in the video can really withstand handling, given my own experience using leaves in a somewhat similar manner.

I used a plastic bin camo cover for an ammo can. It had plastic plants, all heavily glued at the joints so it wouldn't fall apart, and secured to the cover. After the first couple of finds, the fake plants were gone, all but a leaf or two. So if the videos are all about how much TLC the local cachers have for ziplock bags with leaves glued on, that's cool. But the reason it's not a well-known practice -- the reason there's a video showing how to do an otherwise very straight-forward thing -- is because it doesn't seem normal. The packet would be crumbs and sticky tape and non-sealing ziplock in no time, everywhere except for the video maker's amazing city of very careful cachers. Everywhere else in the world, duct tape caches are a soaking wet mess.

 

It's also possible (though I also didn't find this mentioned except by me) that it's diligently replaced after every find, being so simple to make. Most people seem to assume that no CO maintains a high-maintenance cache, or at least that it's always a bad idea to even mention, so the forums are heavy on the "never make trash cache" idea. The video maker has already mentioned that the cache in question lasted 3.5 years (photo still to come), and in a convergence of good fortune, I'm thinking that it could endure just fine. It would still need to be inspected a whole lot more frequently than every 3.5 years, because there's no way to expect that it could last more than one cacher.

Edited October 8, 2012 by kunarion

[+kunarion]

 

I don't see a leaf sandwich comment.

 

Hope you find geocaches better than statements on the forums.

Thanks! I appreciate the encouragement!

[+SterlingConnie]

Thanks for the info on the cache log requirements, but this is the same guideline information I was already familiar with. I was thinking that perhaps there was something new I was unaware of, but it appears not.

Anyway, when I read that requirement I ask myself, does the water bottle cache meet the guidelines?

 

Cache containers include a logsheet or logbook. For all physical caches, there must be a logbook, scroll or other type of log for geocachers to record their visit.

 

Okay, does my water bottle include a log sheet or book?

There's no sheet of paper if sheet refers to paper, and there certainly isn't a book style log that one can actually flip thru pages, and there definitely isn't a scroll style log either.

According to the guideline I have one last option, and that option is "other type of log".

Now there is no clarification on what qualifies as "other type of log", but scratching your name into the container would sure fit.

Can you record your visit with this “other type of log”? YES!

The guideline also states that cache containers "include" a log.

Okay, the bottle includes a log.

The guideline doesn't specify exactly where on the container it is to be included, only that it must "include".

It doesn't say it must be on the inside, outside, or scratched in(other type of log).

It appears that the water bottle cache has met the guidelines, or are there additional ones lurking out there that I'm unaware of?

[4wheelin_fool]

It's not being used as a container with the writing on the outside. A container and log are 2 separate items, with the log being held inside of the container.

 

Cachers appreciate creative caches with some effort put into them. Scratching "log" on the outside of a water bottle and wrinkling it up and tossing it, shows nearly zero effort. Making a video of something so absurd is almost comical, hence the title of the thread. With a 91% thumbs down rating with over 5,500 views, what else would convince you that it's a bad idea? You have some good caches, perhaps you could focus on them instead?

Edited October 8, 2012 by 4wheelin_fool

[knowschad]

Thanks for the info on the cache log requirements, but this is the same guideline information I was already familiar with. I was thinking that perhaps there was something new I was unaware of, but it appears not.

Anyway, when I read that requirement I ask myself, does the water bottle cache meet the guidelines?

 

Cache containers include a logsheet or logbook. For all physical caches, there must be a logbook, scroll or other type of log for geocachers to record their visit.

 

Okay, does my water bottle include a log sheet or book?

There's no sheet of paper if sheet refers to paper, and there certainly isn't a book style log that one can actually flip thru pages, and there definitely isn't a scroll style log either.

According to the guideline I have one last option, and that option is "other type of log".

Now there is no clarification on what qualifies as "other type of log", but scratching your name into the container would sure fit.

Can you record your visit with this "other type of log"? YES!

The guideline also states that cache containers "include" a log.

Okay, the bottle includes a log.

The guideline doesn't specify exactly where on the container it is to be included, only that it must "include".

It doesn't say it must be on the inside, outside, or scratched in(other type of log).

It appears that the water bottle cache has met the guidelines, or are there additional ones lurking out there that I'm unaware of?

Whether you or I agree or disagree on this, the powers that be have proclaimed that writing ON the cache is not sufficient. The cache is supposed to be a "container", "containing", at the minimum, a log. That seems to me to be a matter of purist semantics, but those semantics have been enforced, at least in my area, for magnetic vinyl caches for just that reason. Your water bottle idea fits into the same category.

 

As for me, personally... the issue I have with both your water bottle and your soda straw is that they appear to be litter. Most geocaches are hidden from view. There are some (and I generally love this kind) are hidden in plain view by appearing to be something that you would take for granted. Your two fit that genre, except that the thing that is taken for granted is litter. I don't want to see real litter, and I don't want to see fake litter.

[+The A-Team]

Whether you or I agree or disagree on this, the powers that be have proclaimed that writing ON the cache is not sufficient. The cache is supposed to be a "container", "containing", at the minimum, a log. That seems to me to be a matter of purist semantics, but those semantics have been enforced, at least in my area, for magnetic vinyl caches for just that reason. Your water bottle idea fits into the same category.

Yep, from what I've heard, things like bulletin board posters and fridge magnets/magnetic sheets are no longer considered valid cache hiding methods. Physical caches now need to have at least two components: a container and a log. You can no longer have one object serving as both. The guidelines probably need to be updated and clarified to reflect this.

[+OZ2CPU]

once, there was a cache I could not find,

 

the location: little lake, a few trees, bench, trashcan..

 

after a while I looked INTO the trashcan, and found it on top !!!

it really looked like trash, funny someone actually picked it up and put it in the can,

what is the chance of that ???

most people only think trash is to be looked at, not picked up,

and specially NOT by them self.

 

make a cache look like trash and its chance for a long life is high.

[+NYPaddleCacher]

Whether you or I agree or disagree on this, the powers that be have proclaimed that writing ON the cache is not sufficient. The cache is supposed to be a "container", "containing", at the minimum, a log. That seems to me to be a matter of purist semantics, but those semantics have been enforced, at least in my area, for magnetic vinyl caches for just that reason. Your water bottle idea fits into the same category.

Yep, from what I've heard, things like bulletin board posters and fridge magnets/magnetic sheets are no longer considered valid cache hiding methods. Physical caches now need to have at least two components: a container and a log. You can no longer have one object serving as both. The guidelines probably need to be updated and clarified to reflect this.

 

I think that most of the people responding here understand the concept of a container and the intent of the guideline. Sometimes it seems that some people ignore the intent of a guideline and just try to come up with a semantic interpretation of the language that will allow a cache that does *not* fit within the intent of the guideline to be published. Even if the guidelines were updated and clarified someone would probably try to come up with some interpretation of the language which allowed them to publish a cache which did not comply with the intent of the guideline.

[+niraD]

I've CITO bottles that looked just like that many times. I wonder if any of them were a cache I couldn't find.

Ditto. That was my first thought. If this cache is in "a location where this type of container will [...] fit in", then I'm likely to leave with a bag of litter and a DNF. The cache is as likely to end up in my litter bag as any other piece of trash at GZ. Edited October 8, 2012 by niraD

[+PseudoHybrid]

Pretty sure it's a joke.

[+niraD]

Pretty sure it's a joke.

Apparently not...