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powercatjeffy
post Jan 30 2009, 09:46 PM
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One of my caches blew up.

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...4d-b73849efd0ca

The cache died today, the KHP Special Response Team blew it up. It was apparently found by a non-gecacher and reported to the Highway Patrol. They X-rayed the container and did not see anything hazardous inside, they blew it up anyway.... If you decide to submit another here, be sure to clearly mark the container and maybe we should use something clear for this one.

It was an ammo can marked with Geocaching and my email address.

I'm betting, being in the middle of Kansas, the boys were just a little antsy. I'm sure they have less to do than the Maytag repairman.

Today I got an email through geocaching website. One of the troopers signed up for an account and emailed me through it. He wants me to call him. I figure my days of freedom are numbered.
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post Jan 30 2009, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE(powercatjeffy @ Jan 30 2009, 09:46 PM) *

One of my caches blew up.

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...4d-b73849efd0ca

The cache died today, the KHP Special Response Team blew it up. It was apparently found by a non-gecacher and reported to the Highway Patrol. They X-rayed the container and did not see anything hazardous inside, they blew it up anyway.... If you decide to submit another here, be sure to clearly mark the container and maybe we should use something clear for this one.

It was an ammo can marked with Geocaching and my email address.

I'm betting, being in the middle of Kansas, the boys were just a little antsy. I'm sure they have less to do than the Maytag repairman.

Today I got an email through geocaching website. One of the troopers signed up for an account and emailed me through it. He wants me to call him. I figure my days of freedom are numbered.


Let us know how it turns out, that is if you can unsure.gif Probably wants to know if you want the mangled mess back. But from other posts, it probably wouldn't matter if it was clear, they blow them up any way.

Jim

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post Jan 31 2009, 05:38 AM
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I would love to hear how RattlingCrew received notice of this. I wonder if his fellow cops called him or sent something through official channels.
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post Jan 31 2009, 06:50 AM
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Sounds like it wasn't too well hidden from all the trouble it has seen?
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post Jan 31 2009, 09:52 AM
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I would love to hear how RattlingCrew received notice of this. I wonder if his fellow cops called him or sent something through official channels.


He heard about it from his brother, who I believe caught wind of it on the scanner or some such. His brother went out to try and stop them.

It was hidden within a small evergreen stand. It's hard to say exactly how hidden it was at the time since some cachers don't seem to get things back where they belong. Ironically, there is a letterbox within 50 feet of it that is easily visible when walking by.
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post Feb 2 2009, 10:26 AM
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I got to talk to the bomb dude. It wasn't blown up, per se. The can is no longer usable, but I can get my mctoys back if I want them. Sounds like I may get a bill for this, but who knows.

I found out who found the cache. It was a DOT worker. Ironically, I know all the people in the office in which that employee works.

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post Feb 2 2009, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE(powercatjeffy @ Feb 2 2009, 11:26 AM) *

I got to talk to the bomb dude. It wasn't blown up, per se. The can is no longer usable, but I can get my mctoys back if I want them. Sounds like I may get a bill for this, but who knows.

I found out who found the cache. It was a DOT worker. Ironically, I know all the people in the office in which that employee works.


I would question the bill. You didn't phone it in. You didn't place anything hazaradouse. You didn't creat a panic, or shut down roads. You didn't authorize the responce. Every single decision was beyond your control. Including the "act like it's a bomb" decision. Other things get phoned in and get no responce, or if they do it's the narcotics side who bring out their dog. Again that decision is beyond your control.

By sending you a bill they are doing nothing more than pawning off the collateral damage that having a bomb squad creates just by existing. They (gubimnt) accepted this risk when they created the bomb squad to begin with. Especially when they asked Joe Public to start phoning in everthing that looks funny to them.
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post Feb 2 2009, 11:39 AM
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Wow, well labeled and in the trees away from people, buildings, etc. I'm thinking a farmer clearing his field may want to "be suspicious" of a big tree stump that was in the way. Considering how expensive stump removal work has become that might save him a few bucks.
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post Feb 2 2009, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(Renegade Knight @ Feb 2 2009, 11:14 AM) *

QUOTE(powercatjeffy @ Feb 2 2009, 11:26 AM) *

I got to talk to the bomb dude. It wasn't blown up, per se. The can is no longer usable, but I can get my mctoys back if I want them. Sounds like I may get a bill for this, but who knows.

I found out who found the cache. It was a DOT worker. Ironically, I know all the people in the office in which that employee works.


I would question the bill. You didn't phone it in. You didn't place anything hazaradouse. You didn't creat a panic, or shut down roads. You didn't authorize the responce. Every single decision was beyond your control. Including the "act like it's a bomb" decision. Other things get phoned in and get no responce, or if they do it's the narcotics side who bring out their dog. Again that decision is beyond your control.

By sending you a bill they are doing nothing more than pawning off the collateral damage that having a bomb squad creates just by existing. They (gubimnt) accepted this risk when they created the bomb squad to begin with. Especially when they asked Joe Public to start phoning in everthing that looks funny to them.


I support your viewpoint, but this is one of those things that the courts will ultimately decide.
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post Feb 2 2009, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(Renegade Knight @ Feb 2 2009, 11:14 AM) *

QUOTE(powercatjeffy @ Feb 2 2009, 11:26 AM) *

I got to talk to the bomb dude. It wasn't blown up, per se. The can is no longer usable, but I can get my mctoys back if I want them. Sounds like I may get a bill for this, but who knows.

I found out who found the cache. It was a DOT worker. Ironically, I know all the people in the office in which that employee works.


I would question the bill. You didn't phone it in. You didn't place anything hazaradouse. You didn't creat a panic, or shut down roads. You didn't authorize the responce. Every single decision was beyond your control. Including the "act like it's a bomb" decision. Other things get phoned in and get no responce, or if they do it's the narcotics side who bring out their dog. Again that decision is beyond your control.

By sending you a bill they are doing nothing more than pawning off the collateral damage that having a bomb squad creates just by existing. They (gubimnt) accepted this risk when they created the bomb squad to begin with. Especially when they asked Joe Public to start phoning in everthing that looks funny to them.



And on top of that, the cache was placed by another cacher. I essentially adopted it when he retired for health reasons.
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post Feb 2 2009, 01:34 PM
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Bummer! I'm glad I was finally able to log it last December.
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post Feb 2 2009, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(powercatjeffy @ Feb 2 2009, 01:38 PM) *

QUOTE(Renegade Knight @ Feb 2 2009, 11:14 AM) *

QUOTE(powercatjeffy @ Feb 2 2009, 11:26 AM) *

I got to talk to the bomb dude. It wasn't blown up, per se. The can is no longer usable, but I can get my mctoys back if I want them. Sounds like I may get a bill for this, but who knows.

I found out who found the cache. It was a DOT worker. Ironically, I know all the people in the office in which that employee works.


I would question the bill. You didn't phone it in. You didn't place anything hazaradouse. You didn't creat a panic, or shut down roads. You didn't authorize the responce. Every single decision was beyond your control. Including the "act like it's a bomb" decision. Other things get phoned in and get no responce, or if they do it's the narcotics side who bring out their dog. Again that decision is beyond your control.

By sending you a bill they are doing nothing more than pawning off the collateral damage that having a bomb squad creates just by existing. They (gubimnt) accepted this risk when they created the bomb squad to begin with. Especially when they asked Joe Public to start phoning in everthing that looks funny to them.



And on top of that, the cache was placed by another cacher. I essentially adopted it when he retired for health reasons.


Even better. They do need to be specific on who they would be billing. The owner, the caretaker, the butcher, baker, or candlestick maker. wink.gif Maybe you can plea bargain "I'll take the littering charge since it doesn't come with a bomb squad bill" laughing.gif (The only bill I've seen paid was for "placing debris on state property". Even that was a stretch they just chose not to fight it).
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post Feb 2 2009, 07:23 PM
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you and every tax-payer have already paid for their services. They draw a check from the government whether they go out and blow up a cache or not.
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post Feb 3 2009, 04:44 AM
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When they bill you for the event, you can then bill them for providing a "training device". Since there wasn't a real bomb it could only have been an exercise right?

I mean they could have gone out and bought an ammo can of their own for four bucks. But you probably used a SASO approved ammo can cache. They are worth $853.27.
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post Feb 3 2009, 09:27 PM
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But you probably used a SASO approved ammo can cache. They are worth $853.27.

Let's not forget the labor charges. I'm thinking he could get very rich here... laugh.gif
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post Feb 5 2009, 05:12 PM
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I had already planned on billing them for a new can, a box of pens, a waterproof log book and a ziploc bag. Great idea to bill them for a training exercise as well.

I think MS Word has some decent invoice templates.

The one thing that has disappointed me about this whole thing is that there hasn't even been an inkling of a news story from the local press. Heck, the rest area on I70 was closed for several hours with 5 hiway patrol cars blocking the ramp. Surely that should tell SOMEONE that it isn't just a water leak in the bathroom!
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post Feb 5 2009, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(powercatjeffy @ Feb 5 2009, 05:12 PM) *

The one thing that has disappointed me about this whole thing is that there hasn't even been an inkling of a news story from the local press. Heck, the rest area on I70 was closed for several hours with 5 hiway patrol cars blocking the ramp. Surely that should tell SOMEONE that it isn't just a water leak in the bathroom!

Dude, it was outside of Solomon!! laughing.gif laugh.gif laughing.gif laugh.gif laughing.gif laugh.gif It would take DAYS to get a news crew there from Topeka! blink.gif wink.gif Besides, in the middle of a January week, if it didn't happen outside of the coffee shop, it didn't happen!

Hang in there, we're all pulling for ya!

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post Feb 5 2009, 07:25 PM
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Dude, did they use the can opener robot on it? biggrin.gif
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This sounds like pure idiocy of bored law enforcement people out on the prairie. I can't believe they x-rayed the cache, saw nothing dangerous, and decided to blow it up anyway. Other threads people have talked about how bomb squading things can get addicting and they get enjoyment out of it, I think this was one of those situations. There is absolutely no reason for a terrorist to try and blow up an area like that to begin with, and then they see it is not a bomb yet blow it up anyway. I think this is a clear case of boredom and wanting to do it, not having to.
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post Feb 6 2009, 08:34 AM
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I took a look at the listing, and even though it is archived, you still have a needs maintenance on it. Duh! laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif
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Another one!! Link


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Bomb squad finds another geocache
By JOE LAMB
LOG CABIN STAFF WRITER

The Conway Fire Department Bomb Squad's robot now has two geocache "finds" to its credit.

The bomb squad was called out to Tilk Road southeast of Cantrell Field at about 10:30 Tuesday morning to investigate a suspicious container near the FedEx Freight building. A green metal ammunition can was found and though it was labeled as a geocache, they used the bomb disposal robot to destroy it.

Geocaching is a hobby in which a "geocacher" places a container of some sort at an out-of-the-way or hidden location pinpointed with GPS coordinates. The geocacher then reports the coordinates on a geocaching Web site, most commonly www.geocaching.com, and challenge other geocachers to find it using handheld GPS receivers. Inside the containers are usually trinkets or other items that a geocacher making a "find" replaces with items of similar value. Often there is also a logbook for geocachers to sign.

It's an interesting hobby and probably lots of fun, Conway Fire Chief Bart Castleberry said, but to the bomb squad a suspicious container is a suspicious container; they're not going to send someone to open it with their hands when they can send the robot to open it with its high-velocity water cannon.

Assistant Fire Chief Mike Winter added that the stickers identifying a container as a geocache aren't going to change the way the bomb squad deals with them. Anyone could put those stickers on, Winter said, possibly to disguise an actual explosive device as a harmless geocache.


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The man who did put the stickers on, Tim Stone from Conway, was the same man who placed the geocache in a patch of roadside shrubbery along Prince Street that resulted in a bomb squad call-out on Nov. 15.
Stone said he went back and made sure all his geocaches were clearly labeled after the Prince Street incident. He said he thought "surely we were at the point" where a labeled geocache wasn't going to spark a bomb scare, but conceded that "there's always the chance that somebody might slip (explosives) into a box and write 'geocache' on it."

Stone also said his contact phone number was probably not included in his geocache's labeling, as was advised by District Fire Chief Jon McMahan in November.

When Stone was contacted Tuesday night after being notified that the bomb squad robot had found another of his geocaches, he said he was re-visiting his geocaches and replacing their containers with clear plastic ones.

"That way if somebody happens across one they'll just see a container full of trinkets rather than an ammo can or something they might think is suspicious," he said.

Stone said he would e-mail or call other local geocachers and advise them to do the same.

Clear plastic containers "would definitely help," Castleberry said, and Conway Chief of Police A. J. Gary also said it sounded like a good idea. Gary has made arrangements to get in touch with Stone to arrange a meeting between geocachers and police/fire officials to "find some middle ground where they can enjoy their sport without causing us to spend our time and effort on more situations like this."

Both geocachers and police officials made efforts to set up such a meeting in November, but none came to fruition.

According to www.geocaching.org, over 600 geocaches exist in or near Conway, with most of them having been found within the last few days or weeks by dozens of active geocachers in the area. Picking up trash while looking for caches "is an activity intimately tied to geocaching," according to the Web site.

The hobby has also led to run-ins with bomb squads across the country, Castleberry said.

(Staff writer Joe Lamb can be reached by e-mail at joe.lamb@thecabin.net or by phone at 505-1238. Send us your news at www.thecabin.net/submit)

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That way if somebody happens across one they'll just see a container full of trinkets rather than an ammo can or something they might think is suspicious

Until Chief Delbert Donuts realizes that anyone with a bit of modeling skills could shape plastique into McToy imatations.
Then they'll blow up the clear ones, "just to be sure".
These folks are so focused on their own paranoia that they stopped seeing reality years ago.
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post Feb 6 2009, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(Mag Magician @ Feb 6 2009, 08:34 AM) *

I took a look at the listing, and even though it is archived, you still have a needs maintenance on it. Duh! laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif



I do like that. I think it is still there from the pooh episode earlier in the month, but it really needs maintenance now.

Should I call in an anonymous tip about a suspicious item found 50 feet from there (a letterbox)?

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