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There's a cache which fairly new, you're given starting coords and the goal is to figure out the birth/death years of certain people in a cemetery and look up answers to ones you don't find. I looked today and saw it was published as a "Letterbox Hybrid" instead of a Mystery cache. I've heard of mystery/puzzle caches listed as traditional or multi but never Letterbox Hybrid. Anybody hear of mystery/puzzle caches listed other than in the "Mystery" category?

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Did it have a stamp? That is what makes it a Letterbox Hybrid.

 

It might have a stamp I didn't find it yet. I've found a letterbox hybrid that didn't have a stamp though.

 

It's all about the stamp. A letterbox without one should get an NM alerting the owner of the missing stamp. People who like to collect stamp images will also be alerted via the red wrench and might wait for the owner to add one before visiting the cache.

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I've found a letterbox hybrid that didn't have a stamp though.

 

From the Guidelines:

 

The container for a Letterbox Hybrid must include a stamp, which stays with the geocache and may be used by letter-boxers to stamp their personal letter-boxing book.

 

Doesn't sound like it's an LBH anymore ;)

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I've found a letterbox hybrid that didn't have a stamp though.

 

From the Guidelines:

 

The container for a Letterbox Hybrid must include a stamp, which stays with the geocache and may be used by letter-boxers to stamp their personal letter-boxing book.

 

Doesn't sound like it's an LBH anymore ;)

 

If you don't secure the stamp to the cache, someone will eventually think it's swag and steal it.

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I've found a letterbox that didn't have a stamp, but instead a shaped hole punch for your logbook.

 

Nope, not a letterbox. I've seen hole punches put in to geotrail containers. You turn in your passbook with the punches to get a geocoin.

But if they put stamps in to each container instead of a punch then yes, they could post it as an LBH.

 

It all goes back to early days (early 2000s, 2002 I think) when Jeremy offered the geocaching site to LBNA (Letterboxing North America) members, a yahoo group with no database at the time, to post their letterboxes. They did not take up the offer.

 

Personally, I don't think this LBH thing panned out. Geocachers don't care about the stamp. Letterboxers use other sites (LBNA and AtlasQuest). LBHs would be better off being a Mystery/Puzzle cache with a stamp attribute. But I digress.

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I've found a letterbox hybrid that didn't have a stamp though.

 

From the Guidelines:

 

The container for a Letterbox Hybrid must include a stamp, which stays with the geocache and may be used by letter-boxers to stamp their personal letter-boxing book.

 

Doesn't sound like it's an LBH anymore ;)

 

If you don't secure the stamp to the cache, someone will eventually think it's swag and steal it.

 

There is also a Central New Yorks Parks series where one can find 40 caches (there are 60-70 qualifying caches) in various parks in CNY and, using a stamp in the cache, stamp a "passport" to obtain a geocoin. Within days of the placement of these caches many of the stamps went missing (Took Stamp, Left Golfball). These sort of GeoTours have become somewhat common where one has to stamp a passport to get a coin, and stamps probably go missing more often than those in a Letterbox unless some sort of method of securing the stamp to the container is employed.

 

I have not found any of the CNY Parks "challenge" caches and do not intend to. Over in a CNY Geocachers FB group someone is frequently posting a "leader board" indicating how many caches in the series various caches have found. I have no desire to be included on a leader board as I dislike the competition that it implies and I suspect there isn't a way to opt-out if I happen to be in one of the parks and find a qualifying cache.

 

 

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Did it have a stamp? That is what makes it a Letterbox Hybrid.

 

It might have a stamp I didn't find it yet. I've found a letterbox hybrid that didn't have a stamp though.

 

So you are questioning a cache that might complying with all the guidelines just guessing????

 

Why?

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A letterbox hybrid needs a stamp.

 

Good letterbox hybrids incorporate letterbox-style clues, which can make them similar to multis or puzzles.

 

I have one letterbox I've put out and it uses GPS for the first waypoint, and then uses more traditional letterbox clues (take 20 paces, turn right at the forked tree, ...) to find the final.

 

I always thought a letterbox hybrid should actually be found using letterbox style clues, as well as GPS, though very few seem to be set up that way. The way we have them listed on geocaching.com it would make more sense to have an attribute for a letterbox stamp, and then let the cache type reflect the actual cache part.

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A letterbox hybrid needs a stamp.

 

Good letterbox hybrids incorporate letterbox-style clues, which can make them similar to multis or puzzles.

I always thought a letterbox hybrid should actually be found using letterbox style clues, as well as GPS, though very few seem to be set up that way.

 

Hence "incorporate."

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Did it have a stamp? That is what makes it a Letterbox Hybrid.

 

It might have a stamp I didn't find it yet. I've found a letterbox hybrid that didn't have a stamp though.

 

So you are questioning a cache that might complying with all the guidelines just guessing????

 

Why?

 

I've never seen a letterbox hybrid listing that has a puzzle (field with some online searching) to solve so was wondering if others have seen this as well.

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Did it have a stamp? That is what makes it a Letterbox Hybrid.

 

It might have a stamp I didn't find it yet. I've found a letterbox hybrid that didn't have a stamp though.

 

So you are questioning a cache that might complying with all the guidelines just guessing????

 

Why?

 

I've never seen a letterbox hybrid listing that has a puzzle (field with some online searching) to solve so was wondering if others have seen this as well.

I've seen them many different ways. I've also stumbled across actual Letterboxes, and checking the alternative site, I see there's little in the way of anything you'd call a standard format. Folks are just as creative on both sites, from what I can tell.

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I've found a letterbox that didn't have a stamp, but instead a shaped hole punch for your logbook.

 

Nope, not a letterbox. I've seen hole punches put in to geotrail containers. You turn in your passbook with the punches to get a geocoin.

But if they put stamps in to each container instead of a punch then yes, they could post it as an LBH.

 

 

A tool that does the job described above is also called a stamp, making it valid.

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I've found a letterbox that didn't have a stamp, but instead a shaped hole punch for your logbook.

 

Nope, not a letterbox. I've seen hole punches put in to geotrail containers. You turn in your passbook with the punches to get a geocoin.

But if they put stamps in to each container instead of a punch then yes, they could post it as an LBH.

 

 

A tool that does the job described above is also called a stamp, making it valid.

 

Yeah, I have a hard time seeing a reviewer getting pedantic about a letterbox using a punch instead of a stamp. Letterboxers with books can still use the punch to denote the find.

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I've found a letterbox that didn't have a stamp, but instead a shaped hole punch for your logbook.

 

Nope, not a letterbox. I've seen hole punches put in to geotrail containers. You turn in your passbook with the punches to get a geocoin.

But if they put stamps in to each container instead of a punch then yes, they could post it as an LBH.

 

 

A tool that does the job described above is also called a stamp, making it valid.

 

Yeah, I have a hard time seeing a reviewer getting pedantic about a letterbox using a punch instead of a stamp. Letterboxers with books can still use the punch to denote the find.

 

I hope this wasn't misconstrued. I think having the punch qualifies it as a letterbox. Just trying to show there other options out there.

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I've found a letterbox that didn't have a stamp, but instead a shaped hole punch for your logbook.

 

Nope, not a letterbox. I've seen hole punches put in to geotrail containers. You turn in your passbook with the punches to get a geocoin.

But if they put stamps in to each container instead of a punch then yes, they could post it as an LBH.

 

 

A tool that does the job described above is also called a stamp, making it valid.

 

Yeah, I have a hard time seeing a reviewer getting pedantic about a letterbox using a punch instead of a stamp. Letterboxers with books can still use the punch to denote the find.

 

I hope this wasn't misconstrued. I think having the punch qualifies it as a letterbox. Just trying to show there other options out there.

 

Yes, my comment was in reference to the suggestion that a punch doesn't meet the guidelines for a letterbox hybrid.

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This is a new one for me...

If someone can find info saying a punch is the same as a stamp in any letterboxing site, I'd like to see a link to it.

Thanks. :)

 

- But I agree, on this site, there's nothing saying a "punch" is a stamp replacement.

"The container for a Letterbox Hybrid must include a stamp, which stays with the geocache and may be used by letter-boxers to stamp their personal letter-boxing book. The cache can be logged without using the stamp."

Maybe a punch, like a sticker, or signing, can be an alternate method of logging, if that punch is unique enough to verify the find (if needed). :)

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This is a new one for me...

If someone can find info saying a punch is the same as a stamp in any letterboxing site, I'd like to see a link to it.

Thanks. :)

 

- But I agree, on this site, there's nothing saying a "punch" is a stamp replacement.

"The container for a Letterbox Hybrid must include a stamp, which stays with the geocache and may be used by letter-boxers to stamp their personal letter-boxing book. The cache can be logged without using the stamp."

Maybe a punch, like a sticker, or signing, can be an alternate method of logging, if that punch is unique enough to verify the find (if needed). :)

 

Because a happy face stamp from Michael's is so unique.

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This is a new one for me...

If someone can find info saying a punch is the same as a stamp in any letterboxing site, I'd like to see a link to it.

Thanks. :)

 

- But I agree, on this site, there's nothing saying a "punch" is a stamp replacement.

"The container for a Letterbox Hybrid must include a stamp, which stays with the geocache and may be used by letter-boxers to stamp their personal letter-boxing book. The cache can be logged without using the stamp."

Maybe a punch, like a sticker, or signing, can be an alternate method of logging, if that punch is unique enough to verify the find (if needed). :)

 

Because a happy face stamp from Michael's is so unique.

 

And that's why it's so ridiculous to have a separate LBH category, there's no point to it except as a way to get another icon.

 

No one cares about creating a unique stamp to identify the cache/letterbox. In true letterboxing fashion as it began in Dartmoor England, when stamps were introduced, they custom made their rubberstamps. Each was unique. That was the point, the unique stamps proved you found a particular box. I don't think Groundspeak understood the history and importance of a one-of-a-kind stamp when they introduced the category to try to persuade the letterboxers to join. Geocachers don't get it. The LBH cache type floundered and turned in to a puzzle/mystery cache for those who want another icon. Stickers, punches, dollar store stamps, or nothing, it doesn't really matter.

 

Unique custom-made Dartmoor letterbox stamps:

 

 

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Found the cache today. NO STAMP in it

 

Uh oh, better log Needs Archived.

 

Are you sure a Needs Archived is appropriate? perhaps the cache at one time DID have a stamp and now does not.

 

I have had to replace the stamp in my Letterbox hybrid a few times (in almost nine years, and 726 finds). And some people report the stamp as missing because they do not read the cache page well. It is in a separate container, about two inches above the log book.

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Found the cache today. NO STAMP in it

 

Uh oh, better log Needs Archived.

 

Are you sure a Needs Archived is appropriate? perhaps the cache at one time DID have a stamp and now does not.

 

I have had to replace the stamp in my Letterbox hybrid a few times (in almost nine years, and 726 finds). And some people report the stamp as missing because they do not read the cache page well. It is in a separate container, about two inches above the log book.

Went to a CITO event and the host specifically asked us to bring our own bags to pick up garbage in, and the host's wife brought some anyways and said "well, some people don't read the cache page..." I reread the listing for the one I found since posting this thread about it and it doesn't say anything about a stamp.

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There's a cache which fairly new, you're given starting coords and the goal is to figure out the birth/death years of certain people in a cemetery and look up answers to ones you don't find. I looked today and saw it was published as a "Letterbox Hybrid" instead of a Mystery cache. I've heard of mystery/puzzle caches listed as traditional or multi but never Letterbox Hybrid. Anybody hear of mystery/puzzle caches listed other than in the "Mystery" category?

From a geocaching point of view, that would be either an unknown cache or a multi cache, but it sounds like it's within the bounds of letterbox directives when looked at from the letterboxing point of view. (I know almost nothing about letterboxing, I'm just saying that what you describe could still be called "directions" that would lead to the final.) I assume the reviewer saw no reason oppose it being published as a letterbox if that's what the CO wanted.

 

In my area there have been a few LBHs that looked and acted nothing like letterboxes, so my impression is that reviewers aren't too picky about it when someone wants to published one.

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I have had to replace the stamp in my Letterbox hybrid a few times (in almost nine years, and 726 finds). And some people report the stamp as missing because they do not read the cache page well. It is in a separate container, about two inches above the log book.

Went to a CITO event and the host specifically asked us to bring our own bags to pick up garbage in, and the host's wife brought some anyways and said "well, some people don't read the cache page..." I reread the listing for the one I found since posting this thread about it and it doesn't say anything about a stamp.

 

For my Letterbox Hybrid, you have to read the page and follow the instructions to find the cache. (Or read some of the logs...) (Well. Some people don't...)

The cache page doesn't have to say anything about the stamp. But to qualify as a Letterbox Hybrid, it does have to have a stamp.

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There's a cache which fairly new, you're given starting coords and the goal is to figure out the birth/death years of certain people in a cemetery and look up answers to ones you don't find. I looked today and saw it was published as a "Letterbox Hybrid" instead of a Mystery cache. I've heard of mystery/puzzle caches listed as traditional or multi but never Letterbox Hybrid. Anybody hear of mystery/puzzle caches listed other than in the "Mystery" category?

From a geocaching point of view, that would be either an unknown cache or a multi cache, but it sounds like it's within the bounds of letterbox directives when looked at from the letterboxing point of view. (I know almost nothing about letterboxing, I'm just saying that what you describe could still be called "directions" that would lead to the final.) I assume the reviewer saw no reason oppose it being published as a letterbox if that's what the CO wanted.

 

In my area there have been a few LBHs that looked and acted nothing like letterboxes, so my impression is that reviewers aren't too picky about it when someone wants to published one.

 

Yep. Probably not too picky, since the cache has no stamp, even other finders agreed it was more of a puzzle cache. Same CO has multiple puzzle caches but the reviewer still publishes them as traditionals or in this case a letterbox hybrid. Even though, in fact, they are (mostly) puzzle caches. I think I found 2 of the COs caches that were actually listed under the correct category.

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Some times I feel like being rather bullheaded.

 

I would post "Needs Maintenance" on anything published as a Letterbox Hybrid that didn't have a stamp. If it does not have a stamp placed in it by the cache owner, then it is NOT a Letterbox Hybrid as per Groundspeak's Guidelines.

 

If I was particularly cranky, I would send a note to the Reviewer about the incorrect types of caches. If it's not a puzzle (?), then it has been published incorrectly, or the cache owner changed things after it was published.

 

Patently obvious incorrect cache types and D/T ratings irk me. It's all lying, just to get some icons. Ugh.

 

B.

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Same CO has multiple puzzle caches but the reviewer still publishes them as traditionals or in this case a letterbox hybrid. Even though, in fact, they are (mostly) puzzle caches. I think I found 2 of the COs caches that were actually listed under the correct category.

 

The fireside796 caches I looked at are at the published coordinates and have a field puzzle attribute because a field puzzle must be solved to open the cache. These are correctly published as traditional caches NOT mystery/unknown caches.

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Some times I feel like being rather bullheaded.

 

I would post "Needs Maintenance" on anything published as a Letterbox Hybrid that didn't have a stamp. If it does not have a stamp placed in it by the cache owner, then it is NOT a Letterbox Hybrid as per Groundspeak's Guidelines.

 

If I was particularly cranky, I would send a note to the Reviewer about the incorrect types of caches. If it's not a puzzle (?), then it has been published incorrectly, or the cache owner changed things after it was published.

 

Patently obvious incorrect cache types and D/T ratings irk me. It's all lying, just to get some icons. Ugh.

 

B.

Around half the few we've done never had a stamp (I asked). :)

Most figured they'd turn up missing anyway.

We had custom stamps made for us , and at that cost, we'd never put one of them in a cache either (if we ever placed a LH ourselves).

We did find similar online, and much cheaper.

Bought in bulk ... might work. :lol:

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Same CO has multiple puzzle caches but the reviewer still publishes them as traditionals or in this case a letterbox hybrid. Even though, in fact, they are (mostly) puzzle caches. I think I found 2 of the COs caches that were actually listed under the correct category.

 

The fireside796 caches I looked at are at the published coordinates and have a field puzzle attribute because a field puzzle must be solved to open the cache. These are correctly published as traditional caches NOT mystery/unknown caches.

 

Yup, no mystery/puzzle caches owned by that username.

 

A field puzzle is something completely different.

 

Help Center → Hiding a Geocache → Review Process: Hiding a Geocache

1.21. Multi-Caches

http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=559

 

Help Center → Finding a Geocache → Searching for a Geocache

2.8. Attributes

http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=121

 

Help Center → Hiding a Geocache → Review Process: Hiding a Geocache

1.20. Mystery/Puzzle

http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=277

 

But if it's listed as a Letterbox Hybrid, and there's no stamp...it's not a Letterbox Hybrid.

 

Guidelines:

https://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx

 

Letterbox Hybrids

 

This cache type pays homage to an older form of scavenger hunt. A Letterbox Hybrid must include significant GPS usage for at least part of the hunt. Letterbox-style clues may be used to guide seekers to the container, but only if the clues are accompanied by coordinates specific to the hide.

 

The container for a Letterbox Hybrid must include a stamp, which stays with the geocache and may be used by letter-boxers to stamp their personal letter-boxing book. The cache can be logged without using the stamp.

 

So, if I found something listed as a Letterbox Hybrid, and there was no stamp, I would post a Needs Maintenance log.

 

B.

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Same CO has multiple puzzle caches but the reviewer still publishes them as traditionals or in this case a letterbox hybrid. Even though, in fact, they are (mostly) puzzle caches. I think I found 2 of the COs caches that were actually listed under the correct category.

 

The fireside796 caches I looked at are at the published coordinates and have a field puzzle attribute because a field puzzle must be solved to open the cache. These are correctly published as traditional caches NOT mystery/unknown caches.

 

Yup, no mystery/puzzle caches owned by that username.

 

A field puzzle is something completely different.

 

Help Center → Hiding a Geocache → Review Process: Hiding a Geocache

1.21. Multi-Caches

http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=559

 

Help Center → Finding a Geocache → Searching for a Geocache

2.8. Attributes

http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=121

 

Help Center → Hiding a Geocache → Review Process: Hiding a Geocache

1.20. Mystery/Puzzle

http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=277

 

But if it's listed as a Letterbox Hybrid, and there's no stamp...it's not a Letterbox Hybrid.

 

Guidelines:

https://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx

 

Letterbox Hybrids

 

This cache type pays homage to an older form of scavenger hunt. A Letterbox Hybrid must include significant GPS usage for at least part of the hunt. Letterbox-style clues may be used to guide seekers to the container, but only if the clues are accompanied by coordinates specific to the hide.

 

The container for a Letterbox Hybrid must include a stamp, which stays with the geocache and may be used by letter-boxers to stamp their personal letter-boxing book. The cache can be logged without using the stamp.

 

So, if I found something listed as a Letterbox Hybrid, and there was no stamp, I would post a Needs Maintenance log.

 

B.

 

You're right, the attribute guidelines say that the "Field puzzle" attribute is used to show a puzzle must be solved in a field. But it doesn't say it has to be listed as a Mystery/Puzzle cache like it does for the Wireless Beacon. Should I post a NM on the "letterbox" cache page then?

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Should I post a NM on the "letterbox" cache page then?

 

It's up to you, isn't it?

 

Lots of folks seem to be happy getting that icon, and saying quite clearly in their logs that there is no stamp. Yet they haven't posted any NM logs. Either they don't care, just get that icon, or they don't know about NM logs.

 

Either the cache owner is "absent" or doesn't care. The CO gets an email for every log posted on their cache. So has been well aware of the situation.

 

Like I said, if it was me I would post the NM.

 

What you do is your decision.

 

B.

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There's a cache which fairly new, you're given starting coords and the goal is to figure out the birth/death years of certain people in a cemetery and look up answers to ones you don't find. I looked today and saw it was published as a "Letterbox Hybrid" instead of a Mystery cache. I've heard of mystery/puzzle caches listed as traditional or multi but never Letterbox Hybrid. Anybody hear of mystery/puzzle caches listed other than in the "Mystery" category?

From a geocaching point of view, that would be either an unknown cache or a multi cache, but it sounds like it's within the bounds of letterbox directives when looked at from the letterboxing point of view. (I know almost nothing about letterboxing, I'm just saying that what you describe could still be called "directions" that would lead to the final.) I assume the reviewer saw no reason oppose it being published as a letterbox if that's what the CO wanted.

 

In my area there have been a few LBHs that looked and acted nothing like letterboxes, so my impression is that reviewers aren't too picky about it when someone wants to published one.

 

Yep. Probably not too picky, since the cache has no stamp, even other finders agreed it was more of a puzzle cache. Same CO has multiple puzzle caches but the reviewer still publishes them as traditionals or in this case a letterbox hybrid. Even though, in fact, they are (mostly) puzzle caches. I think I found 2 of the COs caches that were actually listed under the correct category.

 

Letterbox caches can involve puzzle-like elements.

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There's a cache which fairly new, you're given starting coords and the goal is to figure out the birth/death years of certain people in a cemetery and look up answers to ones you don't find. I looked today and saw it was published as a "Letterbox Hybrid" instead of a Mystery cache. I've heard of mystery/puzzle caches listed as traditional or multi but never Letterbox Hybrid. Anybody hear of mystery/puzzle caches listed other than in the "Mystery" category?

From a geocaching point of view, that would be either an unknown cache or a multi cache, but it sounds like it's within the bounds of letterbox directives when looked at from the letterboxing point of view. (I know almost nothing about letterboxing, I'm just saying that what you describe could still be called "directions" that would lead to the final.) I assume the reviewer saw no reason oppose it being published as a letterbox if that's what the CO wanted.

 

In my area there have been a few LBHs that looked and acted nothing like letterboxes, so my impression is that reviewers aren't too picky about it when someone wants to published one.

 

Yep. Probably not too picky, since the cache has no stamp, even other finders agreed it was more of a puzzle cache. Same CO has multiple puzzle caches but the reviewer still publishes them as traditionals or in this case a letterbox hybrid. Even though, in fact, they are (mostly) puzzle caches. I think I found 2 of the COs caches that were actually listed under the correct category.

 

Letterbox caches can involve puzzle-like elements.

 

Looking at my finds from that user it was more than 2 so I miscounted. But since the "Letterbox" cache doesn't have a stamp it shouldn't be listed as a Letterbox Hybrid.

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There's a cache which fairly new, you're given starting coords and the goal is to figure out the birth/death years of certain people in a cemetery and look up answers to ones you don't find. I looked today and saw it was published as a "Letterbox Hybrid" instead of a Mystery cache. I've heard of mystery/puzzle caches listed as traditional or multi but never Letterbox Hybrid. Anybody hear of mystery/puzzle caches listed other than in the "Mystery" category?

From a geocaching point of view, that would be either an unknown cache or a multi cache, but it sounds like it's within the bounds of letterbox directives when looked at from the letterboxing point of view. (I know almost nothing about letterboxing, I'm just saying that what you describe could still be called "directions" that would lead to the final.) I assume the reviewer saw no reason oppose it being published as a letterbox if that's what the CO wanted.

 

In my area there have been a few LBHs that looked and acted nothing like letterboxes, so my impression is that reviewers aren't too picky about it when someone wants to published one.

 

Yep. Probably not too picky, since the cache has no stamp, even other finders agreed it was more of a puzzle cache. Same CO has multiple puzzle caches but the reviewer still publishes them as traditionals or in this case a letterbox hybrid. Even though, in fact, they are (mostly) puzzle caches. I think I found 2 of the COs caches that were actually listed under the correct category.

 

Letterbox caches can involve puzzle-like elements.

 

Looking at my finds from that user it was more than 2 so I miscounted. But since the "Letterbox" cache doesn't have a stamp it shouldn't be listed as a Letterbox Hybrid.

 

You have no way of knowing if the stamp was removed by another geocacher.

 

But by all means, be extremely severe to cache owners and don't ever give anyone the benefit of the doubt. That's a great approach to a game that is supposed to be fun.

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Looking at my finds from that user it was more than 2 so I miscounted. But since the "Letterbox" cache doesn't have a stamp it shouldn't be listed as a Letterbox Hybrid.

 

You seem to have a Draconian attitude to situations that don't meet every minute detail of the Guidelines. Maybe it was an oversight by the CO not putting a stamp in it, but unilaterally deciding it Needs Maintenance / Archive is a little severe. And trying to drum up support for your view point isn't constructive.

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Looking at my finds from that user it was more than 2 so I miscounted. But since the "Letterbox" cache doesn't have a stamp it shouldn't be listed as a Letterbox Hybrid.
You seem to have a Draconian attitude to situations that don't meet every minute detail of the Guidelines. Maybe it was an oversight by the CO not putting a stamp in it, but unilaterally deciding it Needs Maintenance / Archive is a little severe. And trying to drum up support for your view point isn't constructive.
I don't think there is anything "severe" about posting a NM log for a LBH cache that is missing its stamp. An LBH cache should have a stamp. The cache is missing its stamp. The owner needs to maintain it. The purpose of the NM log is to notify the owner of maintenance issues.

 

It's premature to post a NA log, but that's a separate issue.

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Looking at my finds from that user it was more than 2 so I miscounted. But since the "Letterbox" cache doesn't have a stamp it shouldn't be listed as a Letterbox Hybrid.
You seem to have a Draconian attitude to situations that don't meet every minute detail of the Guidelines. Maybe it was an oversight by the CO not putting a stamp in it, but unilaterally deciding it Needs Maintenance / Archive is a little severe. And trying to drum up support for your view point isn't constructive.
I don't think there is anything "severe" about posting a NM log for a LBH cache that is missing its stamp. An LBH cache should have a stamp. The cache is missing its stamp. The owner needs to maintain it. The purpose of the NM log is to notify the owner of maintenance issues.

 

It's premature to post a NA log, but that's a separate issue.

 

His claim is that the cache is not listed as the correct type because he's never encountered a letterbox with puzzle elements before and because the stamp isn't there. Accusing the cache owner of mis-typing the cache with absolutely no evidence is kind of severe. This individual seems to have a history of hounding cache owners over things like this where there is no evidence that the cache owner did anything wrong. It is a poor and troublesome attitude.

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This individual seems to have a history of hounding cache owners over things like this where there is no evidence that the cache owner did anything wrong. It is a poor and troublesome attitude.

 

We've seen a rash of posters in the forums of late who seem to be posting here mainly to rationalize their harassment of cache owners over minor offenses. I find these posts, and those who endorse the harassment, quite troubling.

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Looking at my finds from that user it was more than 2 so I miscounted. But since the "Letterbox" cache doesn't have a stamp it shouldn't be listed as a Letterbox Hybrid.

 

You seem to have a Draconian attitude to situations that don't meet every minute detail of the Guidelines. Maybe it was an oversight by the CO not putting a stamp in it, but unilaterally deciding it Needs Maintenance / Archive is a little severe. And trying to drum up support for your view point isn't constructive.

 

I'm not saying it needs archived. I don't know what "Draconian" is a reference to and I was asking about if I should post a Needs Maintenance since it appears to be a stampless "letterbox" cache.

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I don't think there is anything "severe" about posting a NM log for a LBH cache that is missing its stamp. An LBH cache should have a stamp. The cache is missing its stamp. The owner needs to maintain it. The purpose of the NM log is to notify the owner of maintenance issues.

 

It's premature to post a NA log, but that's a separate issue.

Agreed. An NA log would be if there is no maintenance being done by the cache owner due to an absense, if it the cache is MIA and needs reviewer attention, or other situation.

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Looking at my finds from that user it was more than 2 so I miscounted. But since the "Letterbox" cache doesn't have a stamp it shouldn't be listed as a Letterbox Hybrid.

 

You seem to have a Draconian attitude to situations that don't meet every minute detail of the Guidelines. Maybe it was an oversight by the CO not putting a stamp in it, but unilaterally deciding it Needs Maintenance / Archive is a little severe. And trying to drum up support for your view point isn't constructive.

 

I'm not saying it needs archived. I don't know what "Draconian" is a reference to and I was asking about if I should post a Needs Maintenance since it appears to be a stampless "letterbox" cache.

 

And earlier in this thread you accused the reviewer and cache owner of publishing caches that were incorrectly classified. Maybe a little extra reading on your part then asking a question about why they are traditional caches instead of implying incorrect handling would be a better approach.

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