"Edit Attributes" hidden, "Cache owner actions" puzzle

[+Viajero Perdido]

What's up?

 

1. "Edit Attributes" has disappeared from the cache page of a cache you own. It's still available but hiding under "Edit" as a link at the top of the "Editing Geocache" page. (It always should've been inside the Attributes box, but let's deal with emergencies first.)
2. There's a link at the top right of the cache page called "Cache owner actions" (of a cache you own). It takes you to owner- and non-owner actions [?!?!?], the page known as "Post a New Log". Yet, some owner options are not behind that link, but a couple of inches farther down the main cache page where they've always been, under "Admin Tools".

Have I been drinking again, or is this broken?

[+jimmyg7929]

I'm about to log maintenance on one of my caches and the Edit Attributes link is still there. I don't see the Cache Owner actions link you mentioned. Everything looks just like I remember it.

 

Perhaps you came upon some Groundspeak work in progress?

[+Viajero Perdido]

Ah, it's back to normal; that was fast. Thank you!

 

And even though I have been drinking (urp), I do have a screenshot that proves what I saw, and not on the staging site as you might expect. (I occasionally go to the staging site if I'm feeling experimental; I won't share the URL because they might not appreciate that.)

 

Good hootch; I'm gonna buy me some more of that stuff.

[Frau Potter]

Ah, it's back to normal; that was fast. Thank you!

 

And even though I have been drinking (urp), I do have a screenshot that proves what I saw, and not on the staging site as you might expect. (I occasionally go to the staging site if I'm feeling experimental; I won't share the URL because they might not appreciate that.)

 

Good hootch; I'm gonna buy me some more of that stuff.

 

Thank you for your initial post (and the hootch you were drinking).

 

I'd like to say it was the hootch, but it was us instead. We released something that wasn't ready for release.

 

We rolled it back.

 

Cindy / Frau Potter

[+Viajero Perdido]

Always glad to help.

 

...with a little assistance from McNally's Extra Ale. (It's a wee bit strong.) You guys may have great breweries, but so do we.

[+Viajero Perdido]

Hmm. Today I see the big button labelled Log your visit has become Log geocache.

 

I think that is less clear and harder to parse. (What's a log geocache? OH, log is a verb, got it.)

 

Are you encouraging non-visit logs now?

[+dprovan]

Are you encouraging non-visit logs now?

I don't know about encouraging, but there are things other than visits that are logged. I've always felts a little weird clicking on "log your visit" to log a note explaining why I didn't visit. Even a DNF might not be considered a visit to some people. So I assumed they changed the text to be all inclusive. On the other hand, I've considered coming up with a better label, but I haven't been able to. "Log geocache" is an example of a label that seems to fix the clumsiness of "log your visit" but still strikes me as problematic for the reasons you mention and others. I think I'd prefer "enter log" although that's not perfect, either.

[+Viajero Perdido]

Today: Log a new visit

 

I like that; easy to parse without slowing down the eyeballs as they look for the mouse pointer to get it on over there.

 

This might be an opportunity to tweak the title of the page that follows (Post a new log), and maybe even add a little extra explanatory text for newbies. (EG, use Write Note if you've already found the cache or it's your own cache, we like to hear your stories, etc.)

Edited January 23, 2017 by Viajero Perdido

[cezanne]

Today: Log a new visit

 

For caches one has already found. For the other ones and including owned caches it reads log geocache which is quite weird in the latter case.

Edited January 23, 2017 by cezanne

[+dprovan]

Today: Log a new visit

 

I like that; easy to parse without slowing down the eyeballs as they look for the mouse pointer to get it on over there.

Meh. I don't see it as any different than the original "Log your visit". But I think there's something to be said for either of them over "Log geocache", particularly since the %1 percent of people clicking on that tab in order to log something other than a visit will most likely be very familiar with where that button will take them without stopping to read the text on it.

Edited January 23, 2017 by dprovan

[+Viajero Perdido]

Now now, we all know Groundspeak is all about reeling in the newcomer. Witness "the app".

[+dprovan]

Now now, we all know Groundspeak is all about reeling in the newcomer. Witness "the app".

While there's a case for GS favoring newcomers over existing customers, in this case it makes perfect sense to give the newcomer's experience priority over the existing customers. Existing customers will have learned long ago that that button, regardless of what it says, takes them to a page where they can enter logs for that cache. The newcomer, on the other hand, is the one reading the buttons and wondering which button to click on so they can log their first visit to cache. In other words, GS's desire to be accommodating to new customers is in line with correct user interface design.

[cezanne]

The newcomer, on the other hand, is the one reading the buttons and wondering which button to click on so they can log their first visit to cache. In other words, GS's desire to be accommodating to new customers is in line with correct user interface design.

 

And you really think that "Log geocache" is very clear for a new cache owner? Intuitively, I would not expect to find the option for performed maintenance and similar things under this label.

[+dprovan]

And you really think that "Log geocache" is very clear for a new cache owner?

Actually I said just the opposite: in a response yesterday, I said that either the old label, "Log your visit", or the new label, "Log a new visit", are better for newbies that that short lived "Log geocache". I have to admit, I was confused by what Viajero Perdido was reacting to, but my guess was it was the decision to go back to a more newbie friendly label at the expense of accuracy. "Log geocache", while confusing, does at least capture that there are more things than visits that one might log, something an experienced cacher might notice but a newbie could care less about.

[cezanne]

And you really think that "Log geocache" is very clear for a new cache owner?

Actually I said just the opposite: in a response yesterday, I said that either the old label, "Log your visit", or the new label, "Log a new visit", are better for newbies that that short lived "Log geocache". I have to admit, I was confused by what Viajero Perdido was reacting to, but my guess was it was the decision to go back to a more newbie friendly label at the expense of accuracy. "Log geocache", while confusing, does at least capture that there are more things than visits that one might log, something an experienced cacher might notice but a newbie could care less about.

 

Did you get that I'm talking about caches one owns? There is a first hidden cache for every cacher that hides caches at all not only a first cache to be found.

[+The A-Team]

Maybe I'm crazy, but why not label it with what you use it for: "Submit a log"? It's descriptive but still generic enough to encompass both "visits" as well as other log types like notes and maintenance.