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I tried to find this already posted, I am sure it it there, somewhere. I am not a FTF person. I do not care if I am first, 5th, or 50th. So I do not keep track. I simply go after caches when a certain amount of new caches builds up near me. In the past year, I have upset other geocachers because I did not no log my finds on the spot. I wait until I get home, and do it from my computer. And as such, with a few hours between me finding the caches and logging the find..I see logs from other cachers that say .....well, I thought I would be first, but because she did not log the find immediately........and that makes me feel like crud. I do not like logging my finds from my cell phone. I prefer to wait until I get home after a geocaching day to log my finds, why the outrage?

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The people writing those logs are playing a side game (the FTF race) which they take very, very seriously -- and you don't. You place a higher value on taking the time to write a nice log back at home. Thanks for doing that; cache owners appreciate it. Years later, you can go back and read those logs, recalling where you were that day because of the details you wrote down. To you, that has more value than a "FTF! TFTC" log.

 

Were the comments pretty much like what you summarized in your post? If so, the language is pretty neutral, just stating the fact that FTF had been claimed but not yet logged. That happens. Don't let such comments bother you.

 

On the other hand, if the logs are calling you names, saying bad things about you, and asserting that you're "not playing the game right," that is a different matter. If there is a TOU violation, you can write to Geocaching HQ for assistance.

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First, you are clearly within your rights to find the cache and log it at your convenience. No rule says otherwise.

 

A few people here seem to look down and the whole FTF so-called side-game, and they'll tell you to do what you want and ignore the "totally unreasonable" requests of the FTF hounds.

 

And then there's the matter of just being a nice person.

 

You said you have no interest in FTF. So why not wait until the new cache is found? No big deal for you, and you avoid irritating others.

 

In my area, any new cache rated 2.5/2.5 or lower is *guaranteed* to be found within 24 hours, and more likely within a few hours if published during daylight. So merely by waiting a day to find the cache, no one is bothered.

 

Sure, we could debate from now until doomsday whether the FTF crowd is being reasonable. But just by waiting *one day* to search, everyone is happy.

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In the past year, I have upset other geocachers because I did not no log my finds on the spot. I wait until I get home, and do it from my computer. And as such, with a few hours between me finding the caches and logging the find..I see logs from other cachers that say .....well, I thought I would be first, but because she did not log the find immediately........

 

In the good 'ol days, you'd go out caching with paper print outs and a GPS, takes notes on 1 or both, and then after you got home, showered and ate dinner, you'd hop on the computer to log your finds for the day. Some days, especially on Sat & Sun evenings, the website would be so slow from usage that you'd need to wait a couple days before you could log your finds from the previous weekend. So way back then (2000-2005+) there was no real-time caching and we all survived just fine. You knew you were FTF because you were the first one to sign the new log, not because you checked a website.

Today, with near instant notification of a newly placed cache, there could be a couple people going after a cache within minutes of it being published. Even if they check the website before they leave there could be multiple folks also going after it and getting there ahead of them. I'm not a FTF fanatic as I have 7 in total and caching since 2003, but I found a couple this past year that were published within 1 mile of my house.

I agree with the previous poster that the wording of the other cachers, if you copy/pasted or paraphrased, isn't mean spirited and you shouldn't take it that way. And those other cachers shouldn't expect the website to reflect the cache log.

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You said you have no interest in FTF. So why not wait until the new cache is found? No big deal for you, and you avoid irritating others.

 

In my area, any new cache rated 2.5/2.5 or lower is *guaranteed* to be found within 24 hours, and more likely within a few hours if published during daylight. So merely by waiting a day to find the cache, no one is bothered.

 

Sure, we could debate from now until doomsday whether the FTF crowd is being reasonable. But just by waiting *one day* to search, everyone is happy.

 

I disagree with this suggestion. The original poster or any cacher shouldn't wait so others don't get upset. Should there be an official FTFer sign up and if we're not signed up we should wait until someone else has found the cache and logged it online?

 

 

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If I've already planned a Saturday caching outing to a park 25 miles from my home, because there's 10 nice caches in it, I should be able to add the 11th cache to my list after I notice it got published on Saturday morning. I'm not going to steer clear of it and leave a closed treasure chest on the map in order to avoid upsetting the FTF crowd; I'm gonna find it when I've already spent the time and gas to get to that area.

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We started almost immediately into the FTF race, after quite a few locals asked us "new kids" to tone down a guy who deemed himself "FTF King".

Night-shifters, it was simple to head out after work (with the other 2/3rds an hour earlier than me).

Instead of calming this guy down, he became a ticked-off monster at events, whining how those new people were "hogging" all the FTFs.

Having a ball, the locals asked us to continue if we didn't mind.

It was a good six months before he sorta gave up, and we passed the torch to an older couple we introduced to the hobby. :D

 

We stopped counting FTFs a couple years ago, and don't intentionally head out for that reason, but still manage to snag a few simply because the terrain might be higher than 2.

On the rare times we look back to a cache, we often see "congrats" (or a gripe...) from others, even though we never mentioned FTF in our log.

 

We started that side-game of the hobby with the understanding that FTF is pretty-much luck (though 7 in the morning had an advantage a lotta times). :)

 

Today, some have decided to try to make rules, on a side-game with none.

Some say logging immediately is a "courtesy" to others.

We've heard others say "it's only fair if a 'repeat' FTFer gives others a chance once-in-a-while".

That's all hogwash.

Those "rules" are simply made up in an attempt to improve another's odds at winning.

 

Not everyone uses a phone, or desires to type on tiny screens.

I'll log in when I get home, after I pour a coffee, thanks. :)

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Nutlady, as others have said you are doing nothing wrong. Assuming the comments are not abusive/violating TOU, you have 2 choices. Ignore them, or log the FTFs sooner (if you can). You shouldn't have to do that, but as this is bothering you, you might want to consider it. What is common around here is to do a quick "FTF - full long to follow" from the field, then write the full log when you get home. I know you say you don't keep track, but I expect you will notice when the log is blank and the cache is new. That assumes you have a device which can log from the field, and signal to do so.

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To be honest I use people's onsite logs to get ahead of them when there are multiple FTFs in close proximity. I can hit the ones that they haven't and take advantage of their courtesy.

 

Don't ever believe that a hound is worried about the etiquette, they are being selfish or proud or both. The entire point of the FTF race is to be first, if they can't appreciate that sometimes it won't be them, then maybe this side game isn't their strength.

 

You have done nothing wrong and only upset those that were glad to try and upset you. Around our parts we have a pretty good group of hounds that don't take themselves too seriously and so the FTF race is fun and rewarding and more social than anything else.

 

Have fun breaking hearts, it's part of the game. They have a choice, get quicker or move on. Happy caching and release the (FTF) hounds!

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There is no time limit for logging. It's not your responsibility to cater to people's side games. The FTF chasers always run the risk of getting there after someone else. A person who makes snide comments or gossips because you took your time to log is beneath your regard. I'm sorry other people have made you feel that way. Thoughtful logging is a good habit.

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other cachers that say .....well, I thought I would be first, but because she did not log the find immediately........and that makes me feel like crud.

 

If subsequent finders post logs like you noted in your original post, don't take it as they are upset. In what you wrote, and nothing more then what you wrote, the other finder was just stating a fact and not a criticism. Don't be sensitive and don't read into it because a text based post like an email doesn't provide emotional context. if it's a sad face I wouldn't read into it other then the poster was said they weren't the first and not sad that you didn't log it before they showed up.

Just be aware on these forums, there will be individuals which will create a hypothetical/imaginary situation which doesn't exist in order so they can post their opinions about certain aspect of the hobby. You'll see folks post assuming there was malicious intent when none existed, insinuating some "side game" exists that shouldn't because they don't participate in it and much more. Just go out and enjoy what you like about geocaching and don't worry what other cachers post in their logs or in the forums.

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other cachers that say .....well, I thought I would be first, but because she did not log the find immediately........and that makes me feel like crud.

 

If subsequent finders post logs like you noted in your original post, don't take it as they are upset. In what you wrote, and nothing more then what you wrote, the other finder was just stating a fact and not a criticism. Don't be sensitive and don't read into it because a text based post like an email doesn't provide emotional context. if it's a sad face I wouldn't read into it other then the poster was said they weren't the first and not sad that you didn't log it before they showed up.

Just be aware on these forums, there will be individuals which will create a hypothetical/imaginary situation which doesn't exist in order so they can post their opinions about certain aspect of the hobby. You'll see folks post assuming there was malicious intent when none existed, insinuating some "side game" exists that shouldn't because they don't participate in it and much more. Just go out and enjoy what you like about geocaching and don't worry what other cachers post in their logs or in the forums.

 

Best advice I've read on this forum in a long time. Well said.

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As there is no rule requiring immediate logging of a find, don't worry about it. If you're overly concerned, you can do what I do. I write a note from the field stating the time I found the FTF and put "longer log later". It does NOT remove the fact that it will still appear as unfound but it will let cachers know, if they read the note posted to the cache, that it has been found and that a log is forthcoming at a later time. There's no requirement for you to do that either. I just find it soothes the crowd a bit.

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Nutlady, as a cacher who on occasion will rush out to try to grab an FTF, and who has occasionally gotten to a cache with no find logs online only to find a name or two on the logbook, I will tell you that you are doing absolutely nothing wrong, and should not feel like crud. If other cachers are trying to make you feel like crud, then they are in the wrong.

 

Others have mentioned a "FTF- more later" approach, which is what I will do if I do get lucky, but even that is not necessary. If you wait until it is convenient to you to log your finds, as described in your original post "wait until I get home" and "with a few hours between me finding the caches and logging the find" you are notbeing rude, disrepectful, or a bad cacher in any way. If you were intentionally waiting beyond the time when you would/could log, rubbing your hands together and cackling about all the other disappointed FTF hunters out there, well that would be a different story. But rest assured, your actions are perfectly fine.

 

Also note that the 2TF may not be trying to make you feel bad, but just stating a fact. If I'm 2TF but the FTF hasn't logged their find yet, I will still log mine stating something like "2TF-more later". That's not meant as an indictment on the non-logged FTFer, but again is just a courtesy to others who might be on the hunt.

 

In other words, play the game as you have been playing, don't worry about disappointing others, and don't let them make you feel bad. It's a game. It should be fun. Have fun.

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As there is no rule requiring immediate logging of a find, don't worry about it. If you're overly concerned, you can do what I do. I write a note from the field stating the time I found the FTF and put "longer log later". It does NOT remove the fact that it will still appear as unfound but it will let cachers know, if they read the note posted to the cache, that it has been found and that a log is forthcoming at a later time. There's no requirement for you to do that either. I just find it soothes the crowd a bit.

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I do this most of the time. It just prevents other issues. I used to be an FTF hound and have since enjoyed the occasional FTF. I'm always disappointed if I THOUGHT I was going to get an FTF but when I get there someone else already found it. That is disappointment, not anger. If someone is angry with you for not logging, that's THEIR problem. Don't own their junk (my name is KBLAST and I'm a FTF junkie.... :P )

 

Other people will learn not to take it personally, or they'll quit the side game 99% of the time. Enjoy finding caches and consider posting a note, but never feel like you have to.

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First, you are clearly within your rights to find the cache and log it at your convenience. No rule says otherwise.

 

A few people here seem to look down and the whole FTF so-called side-game, and they'll tell you to do what you want and ignore the "totally unreasonable" requests of the FTF hounds.

 

And then there's the matter of just being a nice person.

 

You said you have no interest in FTF. So why not wait until the new cache is found? No big deal for you, and you avoid irritating others.

 

In my area, any new cache rated 2.5/2.5 or lower is *guaranteed* to be found within 24 hours, and more likely within a few hours if published during daylight. So merely by waiting a day to find the cache, no one is bothered.

 

Sure, we could debate from now until doomsday whether the FTF crowd is being reasonable. But just by waiting *one day* to search, everyone is happy.

 

The OP stated that she let new caches build up then made runs to find them. If she's out already, it's unreasonable to expect her to skip one because it hasn't been found yet. I do the FTF thing at times and like her, i dislike typing on the phone and normally wait to log finds when i get home. I'll never be a jerk and intentionally hold off logging to upset people. In fact, i will go through the trouble of logging from my phone if i know it's going to be a long while before i get back to the computer. Otherwise, i ain't logging caches while out in the field.

 

Nutlady, you're not intentionally trying to upset anyone,,, Don't let this bug you.

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First, you are clearly within your rights to find the cache and log it at your convenience. No rule says otherwise.

 

A few people here seem to look down and the whole FTF so-called side-game, and they'll tell you to do what you want and ignore the "totally unreasonable" requests of the FTF hounds.

 

And then there's the matter of just being a nice person.

 

You said you have no interest in FTF. So why not wait until the new cache is found? No big deal for you, and you avoid irritating others.

 

In my area, any new cache rated 2.5/2.5 or lower is *guaranteed* to be found within 24 hours, and more likely within a few hours if published during daylight. So merely by waiting a day to find the cache, no one is bothered.

 

Sure, we could debate from now until doomsday whether the FTF crowd is being reasonable. But just by waiting *one day* to search, everyone is happy.

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Actually, I do typically wait. A few weeks can go by here before a FTF. The last caches I put out sat there for 8 ? days before a friend took pity on me. lol. And then, I notice where I live, after a cache of mine has been found, weeks, months can go by before the second finder. Not exactly a hoppin' area!

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The basic answer is "Don't worry about it." They are free to take the FTF game as seriously as they want, but they cannot demand you take it seriously or even that you pay attention to it.

 

To me, the key observation here is that their result is the same whether they get there 5 hours after you or 5 minutes after you. Yes, logging from the field would reduce the number of times they go for an FTF yet miss it, but it cannot possibly eliminate that problem. So you can ask yourself how much effort you want to go to in order to reduce the possibilities how much. If you want, please feel free to continue doing it exactly as you are, but I will mention that if I stumble onto an FTF, I do try to log it as soon as I can, although that's never from the field for me, and sometimes as much as I want to log it more quickly, I still can't get to it until that night.

 

Another thing about this situation is that since you don't take FTF seriously, then don't take it seriously. For example, if I saw the FTF post a log ahead of me grousing about the FTF not being logged, I'd interpret it as a joke (even in the case where it's hard to read it that way) and respond in kind. I might spin an obviously bogus yarn about why it took me so long, or I might do some kind of "na-na, got you" spiel as long as I was sure it couldn't be taken seriously. In other words, I'd try to show that it doesn't have to be taken seriously.

 

Happily, in my area, if this happened, the STF really would be a joke. Although there are plenty of serious FTFers around me, they're all well adjusted, so none of them take missing an FTF seriously no matter how that happens.

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To me, the key observation here is that their result is the same whether they get there 5 hours after you or 5 minutes after you. ...

or while you are sitting on a rock at GZ composing your log on your smart phone.

 

I have only 1 intentional FTF. I didn't log it for about a week. Special circumstances - it was retracted before I got home.

 

I have 1 accidental FTF. I waited 48 hours (I think) to log my cache run. I didn't know I had an FTF until I got an email from the CO, explaining that he had archived the cache I logged, and replaced it with the one I found.

 

My logging is usually about 24 hours after my run. If I get an FTF, I will try to get my logging done more quickly (as a courtesy). But I do not have a smart phone, and I will not log from the field ... ever.

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But I do not have a smart phone, and I will not log from the field ... ever.
I do have a smartphone, and I use it for most of my geocaching. I still use field notes and post my logs later, from a real keyboard.

 

The exception has been when the situation is truly urgent, like a NM log (and a private email to the CO) when the cache's camouflage fell apart in my hands, and I couldn't re-hide the cache where it belonged, or anywhere near where it belonged.

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There is a local cacher who, when he finds a cache he simply logs ... More to come ... in the field and then later on, edits that log, presumably when he gets home to a computer, and then enters the real detail of his experience for the find.

 

He was FTF on 2 of my caches and no one seemed to throw a hissy fit on his approach to logging the finds and the FTFs.

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There is a local cacher who, when he finds a cache he simply logs ... More to come ... in the field and then later on, edits that log, presumably when he gets home to a computer, and then enters the real detail of his experience for the find.

 

He was FTF on 2 of my caches and no one seemed to throw a hissy fit on his approach to logging the finds and the FTFs.

 

That's fine for people who are equipped and want to do so, but it's not obligatory.

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There is a local cacher who, when he finds a cache he simply logs ... More to come ... in the field and then later on, edits that log, presumably when he gets home to a computer, and then enters the real detail of his experience for the find.

 

He was FTF on 2 of my caches and no one seemed to throw a hissy fit on his approach to logging the finds and the FTFs.

 

That's fine for people who are equipped and want to do so, but it's not obligatory.

That's fairly common practice around here, but just as a courtesy. The only time I've seen 2TF complain about the lack of a field log by the FTF was on one of my caches in an area with no mobile coverage. Go figure.

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I tried to find this already posted, I am sure it it there, somewhere. I am not a FTF person. I do not care if I am first, 5th, or 50th. So I do not keep track. I simply go after caches when a certain amount of new caches builds up near me. In the past year, I have upset other geocachers because I did not no log my finds on the spot. I wait until I get home, and do it from my computer. And as such, with a few hours between me finding the caches and logging the find..I see logs from other cachers that say .....well, I thought I would be first, but because she did not log the find immediately........and that makes me feel like crud. I do not like logging my finds from my cell phone. I prefer to wait until I get home after a geocaching day to log my finds, why the outrage?

 

I am not a FTF hound either but I occasionally still nail one every once in a while. And if I ever get attitude like that, the first thing I'd do is wait even longer the next time I scored a FTF. They're just sore losers and instead reflecting on their own failures, they whine about your success. I would not let it make you feel bad. I would take it as a badge of honor.

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In the past year, I have upset other geocachers because I did not no log my finds on the spot. I wait until I get home, and do it from my computer. And as such, with a few hours between me finding the caches and logging the find..I see logs from other cachers that say .....well, I thought I would be first, but because she did not log the find immediately........

 

In the good 'ol days, you'd go out caching with paper print outs and a GPS, takes notes on 1 or both, and then after you got home, showered and ate dinner, you'd hop on the computer to log your finds for the day. Some days, especially on Sat & Sun evenings, the website would be so slow from usage that you'd need to wait a couple days before you could log your finds from the previous weekend. So way back then (2000-2005+) there was no real-time caching and we all survived just fine. You knew you were FTF because you were the first one to sign the new log, not because you checked a website.

Today, with near instant notification of a newly placed cache, there could be a couple people going after a cache within minutes of it being published. Even if they check the website before they leave there could be multiple folks also going after it and getting there ahead of them. I'm not a FTF fanatic as I have 7 in total and caching since 2003, but I found a couple this past year that were published within 1 mile of my house.

I agree with the previous poster that the wording of the other cachers, if you copy/pasted or paraphrased, isn't mean spirited and you shouldn't take it that way. And those other cachers shouldn't expect the website to reflect the cache log.

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So funny, I remember that! I used to print out every cache! But I still plan out a route, geocaches I will find, and notes on it so I can log it properly later. I think that logs are very important to the hider....TFTC is is ultimate insult.

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There is a local cacher who, when he finds a cache he simply logs ... More to come ... in the field and then later on, edits that log, presumably when he gets home to a computer, and then enters the real detail of his experience for the find.

 

He was FTF on 2 of my caches and no one seemed to throw a hissy fit on his approach to logging the finds and the FTFs.

 

That's fine for people who are equipped and want to do so, but it's not obligatory.

 

Nowhere did I say or allude to it being obligatory ... it was just something that I saw/experienced that I offered up as a possible approach to entering a place holding log while in the field and later on filling in the log with more detail when time and a computer are available.

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As has been said here many times already, around here and what I often do is just log in the field. FTF more later. Now there is a mixed bag. Some make it a note and then log the find later and others log the find and update it later.

 

As a CO I am not a real fan of the FTF more later as a found it log because I usually read my emails to read the logs. If you post FTF more later and then update it later I might not see that for some time. What I do if I log it that way is I will post a note on the cache after and say Log updated. Wait a few min so I know the email went out and then delete the note.

 

What I am suggesting here is only in response to your original concern of others being upset. How you are doing it now is more then fine but if you are worried about others feelings this could be a fix. You don't need to be worried about it though.

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There is a local cacher who, when he finds a cache he simply logs ... More to come ... in the field and then later on, edits that log, presumably when he gets home to a computer, and then enters the real detail of his experience for the find.

 

He was FTF on 2 of my caches and no one seemed to throw a hissy fit on his approach to logging the finds and the FTFs.

 

That's fine for people who are equipped and want to do so, but it's not obligatory.

 

Nowhere did I say or allude to it being obligatory ... it was just something that I saw/experienced that I offered up as a possible approach to entering a place holding log while in the field and later on filling in the log with more detail when time and a computer are available.

 

Yes, it's a possible approach. That being said, there are many very good reasons why some geocachers may not wish to do this, and other good reasons why some geocachers cannot do this easily or at all. We should be very cautious to avoid promoting the unreasonable expectation that a FTF will be logged within some arbitrary, short time frame.

 

There is nothing wrong with playing this common side game. It appears that most geocachers who participate in the FTF game manage to enjoy this small bit of competition without resorting to poor behaviour, and without expecting others to change their logging practices to accommodate it.

 

Nobody, faced with negative comments and poor treatment at the hands of other geocachers, should feel that they are the ones who need to change or accommodate unreasonable demands. Nutlady is not in the wrong in any way. She did nothing to invite such negativity. It is problematic to keep suggesting that she should write hasty, low quality logs in the field just because a handful of other geocachers lack the self control to moderate their own reactions to a wholly predictable outcome in the FTF game.

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And if I ever get attitude like that, the first thing I'd do is wait even longer the next time I scored a FTF.

While I'll always support you in taking as much time as you want for whatever reason to log your find, the concept of reacting to someone annoying you by trying to annoy them back never works. So your plan to stop them from posting logs expressing their anger at your delay is to make them even more angry next time? That's a textbook case of being counterproductive.

 

Besides, you'd be annoying other people more often than you'd annoy the person that expressed their misguided anger at you. If you're lucky, you might make those people mad enough to convince them to start posting angry logs.

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There is a local cacher who, when he finds a cache he simply logs ... More to come ... in the field and then later on, edits that log, presumably when he gets home to a computer, and then enters the real detail of his experience for the find.

 

He was FTF on 2 of my caches and no one seemed to throw a hissy fit on his approach to logging the finds and the FTFs.

 

That's fine for people who are equipped and want to do so, but it's not obligatory.

 

Nowhere did I say or allude to it being obligatory ... it was just something that I saw/experienced that I offered up as a possible approach to entering a place holding log while in the field and later on filling in the log with more detail when time and a computer are available.

 

Yes, it's a possible approach. That being said, there are many very good reasons why some geocachers may not wish to do this, and other good reasons why some geocachers cannot do this easily or at all. We should be very cautious to avoid promoting the unreasonable expectation that a FTF will be logged within some arbitrary, short time frame.

 

There is nothing wrong with playing this common side game. It appears that most geocachers who participate in the FTF game manage to enjoy this small bit of competition without resorting to poor behaviour, and without expecting others to change their logging practices to accommodate it.

 

Nobody, faced with negative comments and poor treatment at the hands of other geocachers, should feel that they are the ones who need to change or accommodate unreasonable demands. Nutlady is not in the wrong in any way. She did nothing to invite such negativity. It is problematic to keep suggesting that she should write hasty, low quality logs in the field just because a handful of other geocachers lack the self control to moderate their own reactions to a wholly predictable outcome in the FTF game.

 

Wow ... are you reading what I am writing or are just reading into what I am writing so you can pontificate. Again, my comment was just suggesting "a possible approach" ... she or whoever can take it as a suggestion, not a requirement or a demand, or they can leave it. I was just trying to help ... offer a possible solution.

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There is a local cacher who, when he finds a cache he simply logs ... More to come ... in the field and then later on, edits that log, presumably when he gets home to a computer, and then enters the real detail of his experience for the find.

 

He was FTF on 2 of my caches and no one seemed to throw a hissy fit on his approach to logging the finds and the FTFs.

 

That's fine for people who are equipped and want to do so, but it's not obligatory.

 

Nowhere did I say or allude to it being obligatory ... it was just something that I saw/experienced that I offered up as a possible approach to entering a place holding log while in the field and later on filling in the log with more detail when time and a computer are available.

 

Yes, it's a possible approach. That being said, there are many very good reasons why some geocachers may not wish to do this, and other good reasons why some geocachers cannot do this easily or at all. We should be very cautious to avoid promoting the unreasonable expectation that a FTF will be logged within some arbitrary, short time frame.

 

There is nothing wrong with playing this common side game. It appears that most geocachers who participate in the FTF game manage to enjoy this small bit of competition without resorting to poor behaviour, and without expecting others to change their logging practices to accommodate it.

 

Nobody, faced with negative comments and poor treatment at the hands of other geocachers, should feel that they are the ones who need to change or accommodate unreasonable demands. Nutlady is not in the wrong in any way. She did nothing to invite such negativity. It is problematic to keep suggesting that she should write hasty, low quality logs in the field just because a handful of other geocachers lack the self control to moderate their own reactions to a wholly predictable outcome in the FTF game.

 

Wow ... are you reading what I am writing or are just reading into what I am writing so you can pontificate. Again, my comment was just suggesting "a possible approach" ... she or whoever can take it as a suggestion, not a requirement or a demand, or they can leave it. I was just trying to help ... offer a possible solution.

 

Similar suggestions have been made by several voices in the thread. I don't keep track.

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back in the early days I was a ftf hound, there was another cacher in San Diego I used to battle for the honor, to irritate him I used to log on the last page of the log book then log online when I got home about 7 PM.

Ah the good old days.

Nutlady like others have said don't worry about it, it's only a game

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And if I ever get attitude like that, the first thing I'd do is wait even longer the next time I scored a FTF.

While I'll always support you in taking as much time as you want for whatever reason to log your find, the concept of reacting to someone annoying you by trying to annoy them back never works. So your plan to stop them from posting logs expressing their anger at your delay is to make them even more angry next time? That's a textbook case of being counterproductive.

 

Besides, you'd be annoying other people more often than you'd annoy the person that expressed their misguided anger at you. If you're lucky, you might make those people mad enough to convince them to start posting angry logs.

 

Oh please. Someone else's misplaced anger is not something I am ever going to worry about.

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And if I ever get attitude like that, the first thing I'd do is wait even longer the next time I scored a FTF.

While I'll always support you in taking as much time as you want for whatever reason to log your find, the concept of reacting to someone annoying you by trying to annoy them back never works. So your plan to stop them from posting logs expressing their anger at your delay is to make them even more angry next time? That's a textbook case of being counterproductive.

 

Besides, you'd be annoying other people more often than you'd annoy the person that expressed their misguided anger at you. If you're lucky, you might make those people mad enough to convince them to start posting angry logs.

 

And perhaps I get my attitude from earlier days (when I cared and) when cachers would use fake "FTF More Later" logs as a tactic to slow down other cachers. That used to happen here a lot in the Twin Cities.

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And if I ever get attitude like that, the first thing I'd do is wait even longer the next time I scored a FTF.

While I'll always support you in taking as much time as you want for whatever reason to log your find, the concept of reacting to someone annoying you by trying to annoy them back never works. So your plan to stop them from posting logs expressing their anger at your delay is to make them even more angry next time? That's a textbook case of being counterproductive.

 

Besides, you'd be annoying other people more often than you'd annoy the person that expressed their misguided anger at you. If you're lucky, you might make those people mad enough to convince them to start posting angry logs.

And perhaps I get my attitude from earlier days (when I cared and) when cachers would use fake "FTF More Later" logs as a tactic to slow down other cachers. That used to happen here a lot in the Twin Cities.

+1

We used to see that a lot when FTF might mean a couple bucks or a gift card inside, but like you, not so much today. :)

 

Shortly after we started, we guess a guy thought he'd write FTF on the cache page, and head out when he could get out there.

Coming from another state, snow on the ground, we were already almost there.

The CO thought it odd that a bicycle rider had FTF in a snowstorm, and since he often stopped over on his new caches to chat anyway, got to see our FTF sig on a blank log.

The CO did leave cool prizes, but faking a FTF just doesn't make sense... :laughing:

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And if I ever get attitude like that, the first thing I'd do is wait even longer the next time I scored a FTF.

While I'll always support you in taking as much time as you want for whatever reason to log your find, the concept of reacting to someone annoying you by trying to annoy them back never works. So your plan to stop them from posting logs expressing their anger at your delay is to make them even more angry next time? That's a textbook case of being counterproductive.

 

Besides, you'd be annoying other people more often than you'd annoy the person that expressed their misguided anger at you. If you're lucky, you might make those people mad enough to convince them to start posting angry logs.

And perhaps I get my attitude from earlier days (when I cared and) when cachers would use fake "FTF More Later" logs as a tactic to slow down other cachers. That used to happen here a lot in the Twin Cities.

+1

We used to see that a lot when FTF might mean a couple bucks or a gift card inside, but like you, not so much today. :)

 

Shortly after we started, we guess a guy thought he'd write FTF on the cache page, and head out when he could get out there.

Coming from another state, snow on the ground, we were already almost there.

The CO thought it odd that a bicycle rider had FTF in a snowstorm, and since he often stopped over on his new caches to chat anyway, got to see our FTF sig on a blank log.

The CO did leave cool prizes, but faking a FTF just doesn't make sense... :laughing:

 

Silliest thing I have seen is one person hides the cache, their spouse runs out and logs FTF, then the CO corrects the coordinates. :blink:

In other words, intentionally using bad coordinates just in case another geocacher got there first :D It all has something to do with needing 500 FTF's for a challenge cache or something. B)

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Silliest thing I have seen is one person hides the cache, their spouse runs out and logs FTF, then the CO corrects the coordinates. :blink:

In other words, intentionally using bad coordinates just in case another geocacher got there first :D It all has something to do with needing 500 FTF's for a challenge cache or something. B)

 

Or she told him to - happy wife, happy life :-D

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Similar suggestions have been made by several voices in the thread. I don't keep track.

You don't have to keep track, but you should direct your comments to the post you're responding to. When you quote one post but then write a response to some other post you're imagining, the conversation stagnates.

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Similar suggestions have been made by several voices in the thread. I don't keep track.

You don't have to keep track, but you should direct your comments to the post you're responding to. When you quote one post but then write a response to some other post you're imagining, the conversation stagnates.

 

I was commenting on a post that had the same basic message as many other posts. I am not going to use quote magic to mash people's words together from different posts in ways they didn't mean.

 

Back to the topic, in future it would be beneficial to avoid suggesting that a geocacher who did nothing wrong is in any way responsible for the poor behaviour of others.

 

Even though the suggestions may be well-intentioned, they are problematic. Kowtowing to this extreme side game behaviour only promotes it and ensures additional geocachers will be on the receiving end of the same poor treatment in the future.

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I was commenting on a post that had the same basic message as many other posts.

The person you quoted specifically denies his position was the same as whatever you were responding to. Obviously you should reconsider whether you understand his position, but more importantly, you should reconsider whether you understood any of the other people you think were presenting "the same basic message".

 

Back to the topic, in future it would be beneficial to avoid suggesting that a geocacher who did nothing wrong is in any way responsible for the poor behaviour of others.

For example, while I agree these suggestions are not that interesting, I disagree that the people making these suggestions are blaming the OP when they offer ideas for mitigating the possible poor reactions.

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I was commenting on a post that had the same basic message as many other posts.

The person you quoted specifically denies his position was the same as whatever you were responding to. Obviously you should reconsider whether you understand his position, but more importantly, you should reconsider whether you understood any of the other people you think were presenting "the same basic message".

 

Back to the topic, in future it would be beneficial to avoid suggesting that a geocacher who did nothing wrong is in any way responsible for the poor behaviour of others.

For example, while I agree these suggestions are not that interesting, I disagree that the people making these suggestions are blaming the OP when they offer ideas for mitigating the possible poor reactions.

 

Telling the OP to mitigate other people's poor behaviour isn't blame, but it does hand the responsibility to her. I recognize that these suggestions are likely meant to be helpful, but in the long run, tiptoeing around problem geocachers just exascerbates their behaviour.

 

There is no need to differentiate the finer points between individual user comments when they're all saying the same wrong thing. The basic message of the forum chorus is "here's something you could do to not set someone off," and that's problematic whether it's being articulated by one user or many.

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Telling the OP to mitigate other people's poor behaviour isn't blame, but it does hand the responsibility to her.

I don't see anyone telling the OP what to do. People are making suggestions on other approaches if the OP wanted to avoid the unpleasant experience next time.

 

There is no need to differentiate the finer points between individual user comments when they're all saying the same wrong thing.

Yes, there is a need. When someone makes a similar point, they're making it because of the details they're adding. Ignoring those details just sticks the conversation in the past by arguing an old point that the conversation has moved past. You thinking it makes sense to ignore the details in any given post explains why forum threads often get stuck hashing the same arguments over and over.

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Hi Narcissa, doing your "evil is afoot" vibe to this thread as well, I see. <sigh>

 

Hi Nutlady.. She is semi local to me.

 

Nutlady, I don't play FTF but I do mark my FTF logs as such as a courtesy to the others around here who do rush out the door. I also will send a FTF log from the phone, with just that "FTF" so Wayne, Kevin, (you know them), know that they can turn around.

 

I don't do it because I am cowtailing to bad behavior, but to give them a heads up that I already found it. If they rolled up an hour or three later and saw my name, they wouldn't say anything negative about it. The shenanigans game that Narcissa sees isn't happening everywhere and we do things not for the reasons that she perceives.

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Hi Narcissa, doing your "evil is afoot" vibe to this thread as well, I see. <sigh>

 

Hi Nutlady.. She is semi local to me.

 

Nutlady, I don't play FTF but I do mark my FTF logs as such as a courtesy to the others around here who do rush out the door. I also will send a FTF log from the phone, with just that "FTF" so Wayne, Kevin, (you know them), know that they can turn around.

 

I don't do it because I am cowtailing to bad behavior, but to give them a heads up that I already found it. If they rolled up an hour or three later and saw my name, they wouldn't say anything negative about it. The shenanigans game that Narcissa sees isn't happening everywhere and we do things not for the reasons that she perceives.

 

Thanks! If I go after a cache the day it publishes, I do that too. Or I try to remember, but truth be told, it is ssslllloooooowwww going around here! Weeks can go by before a new cache is found. Just ask Wayne;-)

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