+Geocaching HQ Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Read previous Release Notes Release Notes - September 14, 2016 Earlier this summer, our mapping provider ended support for the method we used to provide two mapping options on Geocaching.com. Since then, our engineers and developers have worked to set up our own self-hosted maps. We’re excited to say that the new maps are now live on Geocaching.com! One of the great advantages of this new set-up is that we now have the capability to customize the look and feel of maps. For example, since it’s often important to identify trails while geocaching, our maps have a greater focus on trails. This example shows an area with trails when viewed with the new Geocaching maps: While this example shows the same area when viewed with Google Maps (available to Premium Members): As always, if you don’t like look of the Geocache Map, you can choose a different mapping option by going to View Geocache Map and tapping the tile icon in the upper right corner of the map. Premium Members who wish to switch from Google Maps to Geocaching Maps (or other map styles) should first click the Set Map Preferences button, select Leaflet, and then tap the tile icon in the upper right corner of the map. (Other maps, such as the small map on the cache details page, cannot be changed.) Thanks for your patience during this process! Not only is this a nice improvement for the website, but it’s also a critical step toward supporting offline maps in the Geocaching® app. As we mentioned in the Geocaching Blog last week, that’s one of the important features that our Mobile Team is currently working on. Ben H from HQ’s Product Team will monitor this thread and answer questions when possible. Link to comment
+hzoi Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Thank you for the update. I like the maps so far. Are there plans to add political boundaries? There are other ways for me to see city/county boundary lines, but that would eventually be something helpful to have in the new maps. Link to comment
Ben H Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Thank you for the update. I like the maps so far. Are there plans to add political boundaries? There are other ways for me to see city/county boundary lines, but that would eventually be something helpful to have in the new maps. Thanks for the feedback! Can you explain just a bit which political boundaries you'd like to see (just cities? something more?) and why that is important for you? Link to comment
cezanne Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 As always, if you don’t like look of the Geocache Map, you can choose a different mapping option by going to View Geocache Map and tapping the tile icon in the upper right corner of the map. Premium Members who wish to switch from Google Maps to Geocaching Maps (or other map styles) should first click the Set Map Preferences button, select Leaflet, and then tap the tile icon in the upper right corner of the map. Is it true that there is no way (at least for basic members) to make the system remember that one prefers another map than leaflet? For example openstreet map which is way better. I still have to change the setting every single time I look at the map. Link to comment
+Viajero Perdido Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) Cool, thanks for the update. Could you reconsider the choice of yellow for trails? On a white background (no landcover like forest mapped), yellow trails are almost invisible. EDIT: Y'know, I think the main reason OpenCycleMap is so popular is simply the bold blue color of the trails, at least the bike trails. I know that's the main reason I like those maps. Hint hint. I see it's based on OSM data that's a few months old. Will that be getting fresher over time, or is that expected to be the normal pace? Also, while you're working in the area, maybe it's time for an update to the Google-vs-OSM chooser: Leaflet (just the brand of plumbing, a misnomer) to "OSM and more", OpenCycle is actually OpenCycleMap, MyTopo isn't offered (or wanted), and all listed advantages of Google are also advantages on the other side. Anyway, thanks. OSM rocks! Edited September 15, 2016 by Viajero Perdido Link to comment
+NanCycle Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Really cool to have the trails marked on the maps, but I second the comment that the yellow color is very hard to see, until zoomed in all the way. Link to comment
+The A-Team Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Thank you for the update. I like the maps so far. Are there plans to add political boundaries? There are other ways for me to see city/county boundary lines, but that would eventually be something helpful to have in the new maps. Thanks for the feedback! Can you explain just a bit which political boundaries you'd like to see (just cities? something more?) and why that is important for you? As far as I can tell, the current style draws heavily from the MapBox Outdoors style. While that one was better than the MapQuest OSM style and is a good starting place, there are several changes that would make it even better: As mentioned by Viajero Perdido, the yellow trails don't show up all that well in some places. A more eye-popping colour like red would make the trails easier to see on any background. The style renders country and state boundaries, but adding at least county boundaries (admin_level=6) and ideally also city/town boundaries (admin_level=8) would make it easier to orient yourself on the map and identify caches for challenges. Render highway=steps differently than other paths/footways/trails to better depict the level of accessibility and steepness of an area I noticed some important features that are either necessary or would be nice to be added:One way arrows (oneway=yes) - currently one-way streets aren't depicted as such, which could lead to navigation problems Names for boundary=national_park and leisure=nature_reserve - the areas are rendered, but there's no name so they aren't identifiable Mountain peaks (natural=peak), ideally also with the elevation if present (ele=*) All in all, I think this will be A Good Thing™ for everyone. It gives Groundspeak more control over the map so it can be tailored to the needs of the members, and hosting it themselves means they don't have to worry about licensing costs. Thank you for working on getting this set up. Like Viajero Perdido, I'm also curious about how often it's anticipated that the database will be updated. I'm frequently making updates to the OSM database after caching outings, and I believe many other cachers do too. It would be nice to see these changes be rendered somewhat soon after they're made. It needn't be the minutely updates made by the openstreetmap.org standard rendering, but maybe weekly? Link to comment
+The Leprechauns Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Thank you for the update. I like the maps so far. Are there plans to add political boundaries? There are other ways for me to see city/county boundary lines, but that would eventually be something helpful to have in the new maps. Thanks for the feedback! Can you explain just a bit which political boundaries you'd like to see (just cities? something more?) and why that is important for you? County boundaries would be a "nice to have" for roadtripping geocachers who want to "color in counties" during a geocaching roadtrip, and for challenge cache enthusiasts (an All Counties Challenge, or 10 counties in a day, or an unbroken chain of counties, etc.). I plan many of my trips around either coloring in new counties or increasing my find count from X to Y in a particular county. Today, I need to use third-party resources to figure out which caches fit my county objectives. As a player, I would like to see county boundaries so that, when scrolling the Geocaching.com live map, I know when I've crossed a county line. There are also city-based challenges, like "Find 200 caches in City X" or "Find at least one cache in each of the listed 50 cities." Since these types of challenge caches can no longer be published, I'd understand if resources weren't spent on adding in those boundaries. But counties, yeah, they're important. Someday I hope to have a county map that looks as cool as yours does! Link to comment
+hzoi Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Thank you for the update. I like the maps so far. Are there plans to add political boundaries? There are other ways for me to see city/county boundary lines, but that would eventually be something helpful to have in the new maps. Thanks for the feedback! Can you explain just a bit which political boundaries you'd like to see (just cities? something more?) and why that is important for you? Counties would be helpful. I am a fan of county challenges and use the map search to help plan cache runs. Currently the two best map options I've seen with county boundaries are actually the Esri WorldTopoMap and Esri WorldStreetMap, since both not only shows the county lines, they have labels as well. I also concur that the trails could be made easier to see, though having them on the map in the first place is of course immensely helpful. Link to comment
+HHL Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 [...] I also concur that the trails could be made easier to see, though having them on the map in the first place is of course immensely helpful. Just use an other map style. "OpenStreetMap German Style" or "Thunderforest OpenCycleMap" are nicely showing tracks. Hans Link to comment
+Mikos88 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 What I don't like about the new maps, is that it doesn't show the difference between A-roads (the normal road that is used a lot) and the B-roads (sideroads that are used less, or go to places no one wants to go). For example, I've made 2 screenshots of my local area. The Google maps perfectly shows the difference: where the Geocache maps thinks that every road that consists of more than dust should look the same: One will say that's just something you'll need to get used to, others will advise to use another map lay-out, but maybe there's a possibility to merge that information into the Geocache maps? Link to comment
+Viajero Perdido Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 PS, does this mean we can get back the tiny overview map near the top of the cache page? Since it wouldn't cost extra... Link to comment
+The A-Team Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 PS, does this mean we can get back the tiny overview map near the top of the cache page? Since it wouldn't cost extra... Good question. I still find myself unconsciously looking to that part of the page for many caches. I'd love to have it back. Link to comment
+Team Christiansen Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) I really like that the trails are prominent. Can we also show some sort of terrain relief? That really affects how I will attack a group of caches in a mountainous area. Edited September 15, 2016 by Team Christiansen Link to comment
+HHL Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 What I don't like about the new maps, is that it doesn't show the difference between A-roads (the normal road that is used a lot) and the B-roads (sideroads that are used less, or go to places no one wants to go).[...] Use an other style. The Geocaching style is just not usable. Use this: By the way: The choosen map styles should be sticky. It's not rocket science to set an appropriate cookie, isn't it? Happy Coding Hans Link to comment
+HHL Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Please implement the OSM derivative: OpenTopoMap. It has nicely hill shading: Hans Link to comment
+Optimist on the run Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Good to see a change from Google as the default, but I agree that the chosen map style should be set and remembered as a preference. Link to comment
+Viajero Perdido Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) Please implement the OSM derivative: OpenTopoMap. It has nicely hill shading: Unfortunately, OpenTopoMap is having difficulties right now. Not being updated. Thunderforest Landscape is a decent substitute, IMHO. ~~~ The new map doesn't seem to render access=no trails/roads, eg no trespassing areas, any differently. It would be useful. Edited September 15, 2016 by Viajero Perdido Link to comment
+HHL Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) [...] Unfortunately, OpenTopoMap is having difficulties right now. Not being updated. [...] There were issues some days ago. All went fine. OpenTopoMaps are loading properly again. Hans Edited September 15, 2016 by HHL Link to comment
+hzoi Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 [...] I also concur that the trails could be made easier to see, though having them on the map in the first place is of course immensely helpful. Just use an other map style. "OpenStreetMap German Style" or "Thunderforest OpenCycleMap" are nicely showing tracks. Hans Hans, thanks. I have at one time dabbled with each of the maps, so I know what options are out there. Since I was asked for specific feedback on the new default geocaching map, I provided it in order to help improve that product. If these are to be the offline maps available for all in the new app, it behooves us to help Groundspeak make these specific maps as helpful as possible, not just refer folks to other products available online. To the extent that these other maps have features you'd like to see in the default maps, by all means, add your two cents. Link to comment
+HHL Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 [...] not just refer folks to other products available online. To the extent that these other maps have features you'd like to see in the default maps, by all means, add your two cents. Actually I didn't point to an other product - I point to a map style, built-in in the Groundspeak map. Hans Link to comment
+TeamRabbitRun Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Thank you for the update. I like the maps so far. Are there plans to add political boundaries? There are other ways for me to see city/county boundary lines, but that would eventually be something helpful to have in the new maps. Thanks for the feedback! Can you explain just a bit which political boundaries you'd like to see (just cities? something more?) and why that is important for you? Liiiiike, near this one? Edited September 19, 2016 by TeamRabbitRun Link to comment
+BlackRose67 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) Please implement the OSM derivative: OpenTopoMap. It has nicely hill shading: Looks good in general, but I see that it doesn't render at all for my area once you zoom in to an acceptable level. Edited September 23, 2016 by BlackRose67 Link to comment
+hzoi Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 [...] not just refer folks to other products available online. To the extent that these other maps have features you'd like to see in the default maps, by all means, add your two cents. Actually I didn't point to an other product - I point to a map style, built-in in the Groundspeak map. Hans Let's not split hairs. There is a map on geocaching.com that has many different map sources available, yes. But we're specifically talking about the new first option for a map source, the Geocaching map, which they hope to make available as an offline product in the phone app. Therefore, rather than saying "You can use this other map source to get what you want," we should be letting Groundspeak know, "I see this feature in (other map) and would like for you to add it to your proprietary map." Link to comment
+noncentric Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Would be great to see ski routes on the "Geocaching" map. The names of the runs (Google) probably aren't critical, but seeing at least the lifts would be helpful because then it's obvious that the cache in in a ski area. Geocaching proprietary map: Google map (shows both lifts and runs): OpenStreetMap Default (shows lifts, but not runs): Link to comment
+Jiver78 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 An still the website doesn't remeber which map I chose. It's annoying to change the map every time OR to use a "foreign" script (grease monkey) to do this job. Link to comment
+hzoi Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 An still the website doesn't remeber which map I chose. It's annoying to change the map every time OR to use a "foreign" script (grease monkey) to do this job. I agree - cookies would be nice for this. Link to comment
+The A-Team Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I don't know if style suggestions are desired or not, but I just realized there's another important piece of information missing from the new style: parking. Neither parking nodes (ie. single points) nor areas are rendered, which makes it hard to tell whether there's anywhere to park at a trailhead. It would be a great addition to have these rendered. Link to comment
+Jon- Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) Is this release the reason why the forest east of Oslo has turned into water? I just posted a topic regarding this issue: Forest turned into water Edited October 11, 2016 by Jon- Link to comment
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