+HonzikMartinka Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Hello everybody, I have a question for you concerning log deletion. Is it possible to delete a found it log which states that the cache was found using some external website where final coordinates are stored and available to see? There are at least two caches where the same log is. Moreover it is likely that the log was submited by some kind of robot. See: http://coord.info/GC1J20T http://coord.info/PR7MQGP Logs are in czech language. Quote Link to comment
+The_Incredibles_ Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Technically, I think you are only able to delete their online log if their signature is not on the physical logbook. However, if this was my cache, I would not only delete their online log, I would send them a nasty email and report them (and the spoiler website) to Groundspeak. Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 I would delete the log, especially as it has a link to the website. I would report it to Groundspeak. (Not too sure what they can do, but at least they would be aware of the site) I wouldn't bother emailing the cacher that logged, unless they contacted me after the log was deleted. Only if they re-logged without the link, or mention of the spoiler site, would I let a log from them stand. Quote Link to comment
+T.D.M.22 Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 As long as they sign the logbook you have to allow them to log a find, however you can delete any log or picture that has a spoiler and allow them to relog it without the spoiler-in this case the website. Quote Link to comment
+HonzikMartinka Posted January 1, 2013 Author Share Posted January 1, 2013 Thanks for replies. I must say that the website as a spoiler is interesting idea. I have contacted groudspeak as The Incredibles suggested. Best reragds. Quote Link to comment
+kunarion Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 There are at least two caches where the same log is. Moreover it is likely that the log was submited by some kind of robot. There are over 10,000 "find" logs, some duplicates, all within the past two days. The logs can be deleted. Quote Link to comment
+marwillCZ Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 I reported them to Groundspeak as well. This is a bot logging. Their account should be shut down immediately. It is abusive behavior and I really shame that it came from my country. Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Not a getting started issue, moving to the general forum Quote Link to comment
+tozainamboku Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Technically, I think you are only able to delete their online log if their signature is not on the physical logbook. However, if this was my cache, I would not only delete their online log, I would send them a nasty email and report them (and the spoiler website) to Groundspeak. Technically you can can delete any log that appear to be bogus, counterfeit, off-topic, or otherwise inappropriate. Inappropriate has been understood to be anything in violation of the Terms of Use for Geocaching.com. In particular section 4(m) deals with spoilers and I would guess that could cover links to spoiler sites. Of course without the mention of the spoiler site there is little you could do. There is also little Groundspeak can do about the spoiler site. As I have stated before, there are spoiler sites for video games and other online puzzles, so it would be odd not to find them for geocaching. I still don't quite understand the phenomenon of them being so popular in central Europe and people there eager to share them by putting links in their find logs. Elsewhere these sites are treated as secrets and only shared with trusted friends. Perhaps after all the years of communist rule, people in these now democratic countries feel the need to boast at how they stand up to authority. Quote Link to comment
+lamoracke Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 You can also delete a log if you have a challenge cache and the person is logging it without completing the criteria. I'd just delete the log if the signature is not there and report. If its a super obvious situation where the person is completing the impossible and blatantly lying, I have seen Groundspeak delete the finds and the account. Quote Link to comment
+GeekinTX Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Have you checked to see if they've actually signed the log? I suspect they haven't. But in any case, I'd delete them, especially the ones that are duplicated (three "found it" logs on the same day, that's a no brainer) or logged after the cache was archived. I saw two examples where there were three separate "found it" logs after the cache was archived. Pretty ridiculous. I'd report both the cheating user and the cheat website to Groundspeak. http://coord.info/GC1Y0X8 http://coord.info/GC1Y0VF Quote Link to comment
+GeekinTX Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 He's found 14,339 caches? Not bad. Really good for a single day of caching! So, I can pretty much guarantee he didn't have time to get out an sign ANY logs on December 30, being so busy at home on the computer and all. Quote Link to comment
+CanadianRockies Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 He's found 14,339 caches? Not bad. Really good for a single day of caching! As absurd as this is, there might be some people who would argue, "No harm; no foul." I'm not one of those people. Quote Link to comment
+Shop99er Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 If you think a log is bogus, delete it. If the cacher that wrote the log complains to GS, they will probably contact you, and ask you what the issues are. Contrary to what some folks think, the people at the Lilly Pad are generally reasonable. Since the logger appears to have found 15.000+ caches in a 24 hour period, I really doubt if anyone at Groundspeak will take anything he may say seriously. He is obviously lying. Frankly, I am surprised that you felt the need to ask about this character's logs. As far as the spoiler site is concerned, there is nothing that GS can do about it. They don't own the WWW, are not the official Internet Police, and can't force anyone to take down or change a site they (GS) do not own. You can tell them, but that's where that issue will end. Quote Link to comment
+pmoravec Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 If you think a log is bogus, delete it. If the cacher that wrote the log complains to GS, they will probably contact you, and ask you what the issues are. Contrary to what some folks think, the people at the Lilly Pad are generally reasonable. The whole account is bogus, it has been created just for this spamming (even the name - translated it means You Will Find It!). He timed it really nasty - the local reviewers and cachers filled complaints as soon as this started (around 0:30 local time (GMT+1) on Jan 1, 2013) but so far this account is alive and spamming, probably because the New Year celebrations/holiday at HQ. The caches which did not delete his logs were visited 3 times so far, those (like me) who delete his logs have a repeat visit approximately 1 hour after the log deletion. It really puts me off, and I have only 1 cache affected by this (some people stopped deleting the logs after round 3 since they periodically appear on their 40+ caches). However, I am still afraid that even once the account is blocked/archived, the logs will remain. We had a similar situation last year - a cacher called "mszm" claimed to log thousands of caches by accident through GSAK. The logs that were not deleted by the owners are still there, even there was no account activity since Sep 19, 2012... One has to wonder it this was not just a "test run" for this, especially when he did not hunt after that. Quote Link to comment
+Gustav129 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Heresay says it happens around here once you log a NA on a particular CO's cache because you were told by police you were trespassing. The CO will delete any logs you may have logged on any other cache this person owns. Quote Link to comment
+CanadianRockies Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Heresay says it happens around here once you log a NA on a particular CO's cache because you were told by police you were trespassing. The CO will delete any logs you may have logged on any other cache this person owns. If you signed the log(s), then contact Groundspeak to get your find(s) restored. Quote Link to comment
4wheelin_fool Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I think Groundspeak needs to create a bot to delete the logs. Quote Link to comment
+TKD kid Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 "mszm" is back at it. Logged all of my trackables today, even those that are long lost. Quote Link to comment
+Rebore Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I reported them to Groundspeak as well. This is a bot logging. Their account should be shut down immediately. It is abusive behavior and I really shame that it came from my country. I really enjoy caching in your country, although I have only found a handful of caches in a small area. There are black sheep everywhere, no need to feel ashamed. Quote Link to comment
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