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My understanding is that nonvalidated members are smartphone users using the app without signing up for membership. Someone asked me for a hint for one of my caches. When I tried to respond to them in an email it said they were a nonvalidated member. I left a note on the webpage that said I couldn't reach them by email because they were not validated members.(they have not registered a valid email address) I doubt they'll see my note

 

This is the second time someone asked a question and I couldn't respond because they were not a validated member. Wonder if they are aware of that.

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You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocaching.com/account/messagecenter

 

But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!"

And that's a good message to send to them via the message center. :)

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My understanding is that nonvalidated members are smartphone users using the app without signing up for membership. Someone asked me for a hint for one of my caches. When I tried to respond to them in an email it said they were a nonvalidated member. I left a note on the webpage that said I couldn't reach them by email because they were not validated members.(they have not registered a valid email address) I doubt they'll see my note

 

This is the second time someone asked a question and I couldn't respond because they were not a validated member. Wonder if they are aware of that.

Looks like (for now) the option of the message center's your best bet (other than leaving notes on cache pages that they probably won't see...).

Like SageTracy said,"an opportunity to educate" - well, if they receive or notice...

- Yours at least asked a question, so may be looking, expecting an answer.

 

But I agree with NanCycle.

I don't feel the message center is a work around for people who won't validate their accounts and I personally won't use it for that .

- I don't think email validation should be optional when joining in the first place.

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But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account.

 

Because they are new and the likely don't even know what validating is or why they should do it.

 

Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!"

 

We need to remind ourselves to think about how we would feel if this was our first contact from another geocacher and few weeks into the game. Would we want to continue after that?

 

New phone app people can be damned frustrating but many become dedicated cachers. They need a gentle push in the right direction.

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You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocachin...t/messagecenter

 

But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!"

And that's a good message to send to them via the message center. :)

 

I think this works if they are using the free beginner's geocaching app, but I believe Groundspeak has stated that they will not be updating the paid version to work with this message center.

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You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocachin...t/messagecenter

 

But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!"

And that's a good message to send to them via the message center. :)

 

I think this works if they are using the free beginner's geocaching app, but I believe Groundspeak has stated that they will not be updating the paid version to work with this message center.

 

Why would people buy that app?

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You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocachin...t/messagecenter

 

But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!"

And that's a good message to send to them via the message center. :)

 

I think this works if they are using the free beginner's geocaching app, but I believe Groundspeak has stated that they will not be updating the paid version to work with this message center.

 

Why would people buy that app?

 

Shhh.... I hear eggshells.

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But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account.

 

Because they are new and the likely don't even know what validating is or why they should do it.

 

Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!"

 

We need to remind ourselves to think about how we would feel if this was our first contact from another geocacher and few weeks into the game. Would we want to continue after that?

 

New phone app people can be damned frustrating but many become dedicated cachers. They need a gentle push in the right direction.

 

The thing is, we shouldn't have to come back later and educate people about this. It would be better for all if GS required validation before using the service.

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You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocachin...t/messagecenter

 

But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!"

And that's a good message to send to them via the message center. :)

 

I think this works if they are using the free beginner's geocaching app, but I believe Groundspeak has stated that they will not be updating the paid version to work with this message center.

 

Where did you see this? The lack of iOS updates of the paid app is ridiculous.

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It would be better for all if GS required validation before using the service.

 

I have thought this too. I don't know why it is this way. There may be a good reason for not requiring validation.

 

The thing is, we shouldn't have to come back later and educate people about this.

 

As I see it the need for educating is greater now than it has ever been and will continue on.

 

This is because new people have less invested in the game. In the "olden days" we were more tech-savvy and we considered the gps units fun to use and they were and are still expensive. Today the intro phone-app people already have the smartphone and they might not even be interested in the game beyond a smidgen of curiosity.

 

It would be good to be able to contact them to let them know that the trackable they grabbed and held on to is not a trade item and that they don't need to hit the "submit" button several times when in poor data reception areas resulting in two to six Found Its for a single cache, etc.

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You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocachin...t/messagecenter

 

But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!"

And that's a good message to send to them via the message center. :)

 

I think this works if they are using the free beginner's geocaching app, but I believe Groundspeak has stated that they will not be updating the paid version to work with this message center.

 

Where did you see this? The lack of iOS updates of the paid app is ridiculous.

 

I believe (but don't shoot me if I'm wrong) it was Rock Chalk, in the main discussion on the new Message Center. He said that the paid app was getting pretty old for it, or something like that. I don't think it was explicitly stated, but at least strongly implied.

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Can non validated members (and in my case, a bunch of kids only interested in stealing what was left in the container) see premium member sites?

If by "sites" you mean a pmo cache page, a basic member, validated or not, can't read a pmo cache page for it's coordinates/info.

 

If you're depending on the audit to figure "who done it", PQs, bookmarks, and (unless changed recently) most phone apps bypass the audit. :)

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It would be better for all if GS required validation before using the service.

 

I have thought this too. I don't know why it is this way. There may be a good reason for not requiring validation.

 

The thing is, we shouldn't have to come back later and educate people about this.

 

As I see it the need for educating is greater now than it has ever been and will continue on.

 

This is because new people have less invested in the game. In the "olden days" we were more tech-savvy and we considered the gps units fun to use and they were and are still expensive. Today the intro phone-app people already have the smartphone and they might not even be interested in the game beyond a smidgen of curiosity.

 

It would be good to be able to contact them to let them know that the trackable they grabbed and held on to is not a trade item and that they don't need to hit the "submit" button several times when in poor data reception areas resulting in two to six Found Its for a single cache, etc.

 

some people don't want validation via Facebook, text message, email and phone calls with pins. it's not a big deal, but just a personal preference, kind of like how some people don't want to use their real name on the internet.

 

as far as "investing"in the game, i think people need to take a step back and realized THEY have invested more than is healthy, for a game. when personal preferences become the reason for wanting to change others through rules and contacts, the gaming aspect is lost.

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It would be better for all if GS required validation before using the service.

 

I have thought this too. I don't know why it is this way. There may be a good reason for not requiring validation.

 

The thing is, we shouldn't have to come back later and educate people about this.

 

As I see it the need for educating is greater now than it has ever been and will continue on.

 

This is because new people have less invested in the game. In the "olden days" we were more tech-savvy and we considered the gps units fun to use and they were and are still expensive. Today the intro phone-app people already have the smartphone and they might not even be interested in the game beyond a smidgen of curiosity.

 

It would be good to be able to contact them to let them know that the trackable they grabbed and held on to is not a trade item and that they don't need to hit the "submit" button several times when in poor data reception areas resulting in two to six Found Its for a single cache, etc.

 

some people don't want validation via Facebook, text message, email and phone calls with pins. it's not a big deal, but just a personal preference, kind of like how some people don't want to use their real name on the internet.

 

as far as "investing"in the game, i think people need to take a step back and realized THEY have invested more than is healthy, for a game. when personal preferences become the reason for wanting to change others through rules and contacts, the gaming aspect is lost.

When we first started, we considered this a hobby. Most our friends did too.

Simply using our GPSrs to find cool spots someone thought awesome, shared it with others, many we've never been to before.

Years later (we felt) this hobby was turning into a game, when location sorta took a back seat to stats/numbers.

 

We stay because there are still some places to visit that remind us of why we joined in the first place.

If this hobby started out as a game, we wouldn't have bothered...

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Can non validated members (and in my case, a bunch of kids only interested in stealing what was left in the container) see premium member sites?

If by "sites" you mean a pmo cache page, a basic member, validated or not, can't read a pmo cache page for it's coordinates/info.

 

However a nonvalidated member can be a PM.

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