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Why are we under Finlands reviewers? Why doesn't we have any own? Yes we do belong to Finland but we are an independent part of the country, we are also an own country at the site. Then we also speak an other language than (the mayority) in Finland. We are almost only swedish speaking people here at Åland while Finland have 2 (3) languages. So is it possible to get an reviewer for only Åland? If yes we will discuss who will get the honour in pur FBgroup

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Since the beginning of time, only 365 cache listings have been submitted for locations in Aland. There are only 257 active caches there. This is not enough volume to justify having a dedicated local reviewer.

 

When a region has several hundred new cache submissions in one year, then it might be time to look at having a local reviewer. That is how the system grew. When the number of caches submitted each week in Pennsylvania and Ohio grew to "many each week" in 2003, I was asked to take over reviewing for those two states. Before then, caches in my area were reviewed by someone from Georgia. They don't even speak Yankee there.

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Since the beginning of time, only 365 cache listings have been submitted for locations in Aland. There are only 257 active caches there. This is not enough volume to justify having a dedicated local reviewer.

 

When a region has several hundred new cache submissions in one year, then it might be time to look at having a local reviewer. That is how the system grew. When the number of caches submitted each week in Pennsylvania and Ohio grew to "many each week" in 2003, I was asked to take over reviewing for those two states. Before then, caches in my area were reviewed by someone from Georgia. They don't even speak Yankee there.

 

It may also be worth noting that there are a couple of reviewers that cover countries for which no other reviewers are assigned. They might publish a cache in Mongolia and then one in Indonesia. For Aland, at least you're reviewer is going to be in the same (or close to) the same timezone.

 

 

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For Aland, at least you're reviewer is going to be in the same (or close to) the same timezone.

 

Why do you see this as an asset?

I appreciated the times when Erik reviewed the caches in Austria as it hardly happened that caches got published in the evening with respect to local time.

Nowadays many caches get published in the evening and cachers run out to get the FTF for caches that should not be visited when it is dark.

 

Cezanne

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For Aland, at least you're reviewer is going to be in the same (or close to) the same timezone.

 

Why do you see this as an asset?

I appreciated the times when Erik reviewed the caches in Austria as it hardly happened that caches got published in the evening with respect to local time.

Nowadays many caches get published in the evening and cachers run out to get the FTF for caches that should not be visited when it is dark.

 

Cezanne

 

I would think it would generally make it easier to communicate with a reviewer in a similar timezone. It depends of course what hours the reviewer "works" and the cachers own work/play patterns, but in the same time zone people are more likely to be awake at the same time then if they are many hours different.

 

I now know where Åland is!

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I would think it would generally make it easier to communicate with a reviewer in a similar timezone. It depends of course what hours the reviewer "works" and the cachers own work/play patterns, but in the same time zone people are more likely to be awake at the same time then if they are many hours different.

 

I (and others on my country) found it quite convenient that the reviewer's local time was behind implying that he read replies sent in the evening (local time) still at the same working day.

 

I have mentioned the other asset with regard to the publishing time of caches in my first post.

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But how comes that in sweden (that is closer to Åland and speaks the same language as we) get an cache out in less than 1 day when we have to wait for 1 week? That means that Finland needs more rewievers or if there are language barriers to Åland, We could need some help from Sweden. I have once get an answer in (bad) swedish from an finnish rewiever that mine location allready was taken and he asked me to move it 130m SE in swedish, well he was wrong because 170m SE from mine location is another cache. That is one issue for many cachers at Åland.

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I think its frustrating to wait a week for a cache to get published and they often get published late at night.

 

That's the normal situation in many countries around the world. Getting a cache published within a day is rather an exception in many areas withs lots of caches.

 

Cezanne

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In this case, I think the main reason for local reviewer would be just the language. While Swedish is one of Finland's two national languages, it is not spoken very widely. This is causing some trouble, as the reviewers do maybe not understand the cache descriptions (in Swedish), and communication between cache owners and reviewers needs to take place in English, which in turn is a foreign language for both.

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For Aland, at least you're reviewer is going to be in the same (or close to) the same timezone.

 

Why do you see this as an asset?

I appreciated the times when Erik reviewed the caches in Austria as it hardly happened that caches got published in the evening with respect to local time.

Nowadays many caches get published in the evening and cachers run out to get the FTF for caches that should not be visited when it is dark.

 

Cezanne

 

I would think it would generally make it easier to communicate with a reviewer in a similar timezone. It depends of course what hours the reviewer "works" and the cachers own work/play patterns, but in the same time zone people are more likely to be awake at the same time then if they are many hours different.

 

I now know where Åland is!

 

I frequently communicate with people in time zones 6-12 hours away from mine. On one project I worked on for 9 months the two other developers were in Rome and Bangkok, 6 and 11 hours ahead of me. We had a once a week skype call and settled on 8-9AM EST as it was about the only time when all of us would likely be awake.. Even with a 6 hour difference, if I send an email message after 3PM I'm probably not going to get an answer until the next day. I do a pretty fair amount of correspondence with people in eastern Africa and China and the time zone difference definitely has an impact on the timeliness of responses.

 

I didn't look up where Åland is but I assume that it's near Finland.

 

 

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For Aland, at least you're reviewer is going to be in the same (or close to) the same timezone.

 

Why do you see this as an asset?

I appreciated the times when Erik reviewed the caches in Austria as it hardly happened that caches got published in the evening with respect to local time.

Nowadays many caches get published in the evening and cachers run out to get the FTF for caches that should not be visited when it is dark.

 

Cezanne

 

I would think it would generally make it easier to communicate with a reviewer in a similar timezone. It depends of course what hours the reviewer "works" and the cachers own work/play patterns, but in the same time zone people are more likely to be awake at the same time then if they are many hours different.

 

I now know where Åland is!

 

I frequently communicate with people in time zones 6-12 hours away from mine. On one project I worked on for 9 months the two other developers were in Rome and Bangkok, 6 and 11 hours ahead of me. We had a once a week skype call and settled on 8-9AM EST as it was about the only time when all of us would likely be awake.. Even with a 6 hour difference, if I send an email message after 3PM I'm probably not going to get an answer until the next day. I do a pretty fair amount of correspondence with people in eastern Africa and China and the time zone difference definitely has an impact on the timeliness of responses.

 

I didn't look up where Åland is but I assume that it's near Finland.

 

It's part of Finland.

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For Aland, at least you're reviewer is going to be in the same (or close to) the same timezone.

 

Why do you see this as an asset?

I appreciated the times when Erik reviewed the caches in Austria as it hardly happened that caches got published in the evening with respect to local time.

Nowadays many caches get published in the evening and cachers run out to get the FTF for caches that should not be visited when it is dark.

 

Cezanne

 

I would think it would generally make it easier to communicate with a reviewer in a similar timezone. It depends of course what hours the reviewer "works" and the cachers own work/play patterns, but in the same time zone people are more likely to be awake at the same time then if they are many hours different.

 

I now know where Åland is!

 

I frequently communicate with people in time zones 6-12 hours away from mine. On one project I worked on for 9 months the two other developers were in Rome and Bangkok, 6 and 11 hours ahead of me. We had a once a week skype call and settled on 8-9AM EST as it was about the only time when all of us would likely be awake.. Even with a 6 hour difference, if I send an email message after 3PM I'm probably not going to get an answer until the next day. I do a pretty fair amount of correspondence with people in eastern Africa and China and the time zone difference definitely has an impact on the timeliness of responses.

 

I didn't look up where Åland is but I assume that it's near Finland.

 

It's part of Finland.

But they speak Swedish.

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Why are we under Finlands reviewers? Why doesn't we have any own? Yes we do belong to Finland but we are an independent part of the country, we are also an own country at the site. Then we also speak an other language than (the mayority) in Finland. We are almost only swedish speaking people here at Åland while Finland have 2 (3) languages. So is it possible to get an reviewer for only Åland? If yes we will discuss who will get the honour in pur FBgroup

 

Hahahahhaha!!!!

 

I live in Brazil and Geocache in Brazil... Here we have around 2000 caches, the reviewers are Portuguese, live 8.000km away and have 2-4h difference.

 

Put yourself in line!!!!! :lol:

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For Aland, at least you're reviewer is going to be in the same (or close to) the same timezone.

 

Why do you see this as an asset?

I appreciated the times when Erik reviewed the caches in Austria as it hardly happened that caches got published in the evening with respect to local time.

Nowadays many caches get published in the evening and cachers run out to get the FTF for caches that should not be visited when it is dark.

 

Cezanne

 

I would think it would generally make it easier to communicate with a reviewer in a similar timezone. It depends of course what hours the reviewer "works" and the cachers own work/play patterns, but in the same time zone people are more likely to be awake at the same time then if they are many hours different.

 

I now know where Åland is!

 

I frequently communicate with people in time zones 6-12 hours away from mine. On one project I worked on for 9 months the two other developers were in Rome and Bangkok, 6 and 11 hours ahead of me. We had a once a week skype call and settled on 8-9AM EST as it was about the only time when all of us would likely be awake.. Even with a 6 hour difference, if I send an email message after 3PM I'm probably not going to get an answer until the next day. I do a pretty fair amount of correspondence with people in eastern Africa and China and the time zone difference definitely has an impact on the timeliness of responses.

 

I didn't look up where Åland is but I assume that it's near Finland.

 

It's part of Finland.

But they speak Swedish.

 

Oh well.

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I think its frustrating to wait a week for a cache to get published and they often get published late at night. I agree its a problem that Finnish rewievers speak finnish and we here on Aland speak swedish and write our caches in swedish. It would be great for Aland to have a rewiever from Sweden.

 

I can see that it would be hard to have a language and time zone barrier. But, I'd like to point out that even if you had someone in the same time zone they may review at odd times of the day. I review in the U.S. - specifically in Washington and Idaho. I (and other reviewers in the area) often review late at night. I will publish caches at 2am (I try not to publish caches that are in neighborhoods or closed parks at 2am, though). It all depends on the reviewer.

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We're here to talk about geocaching, and specifically, the best reviewer arrangement for the growing geocaching community in Aland.

 

Political and economic commentary is best done in the Off Topic forum or in a non-geocaching forum.

 

Back to our discussion of geocaching in Aland. Thank you.

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Since the beginning of time, only 365 cache listings have been submitted for locations in Aland. There are only 257 active caches there. This is not enough volume to justify having a dedicated local reviewer.

 

When a region has several hundred new cache submissions in one year, then it might be time to look at having a local reviewer. That is how the system grew. When the number of caches submitted each week in Pennsylvania and Ohio grew to "many each week" in 2003, I was asked to take over reviewing for those two states. Before then, caches in my area were reviewed by someone from Georgia. They don't even speak Yankee there.

 

The language or nationality is not the main problem here.

 

As Åland is an autonomous region, we can say Country, it has different local laws and regulations than in Finland (!) (or Sweden) for natural reserves, recreation areas, camping, hunting etc.

 

So there is no real question if Åland needs very own reviewer as the reviewers need to understand the issues in legislation, environmental protection and so on. Åland should have own reviewer as the foreign ones just cannot have clear knowledge about the specialities of the Islands.

 

But as we have noticed so many times before the nature preservation is not the first or even second on line in geocaching "community" business.

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It's the cache placers responsibility to hide correctly, with the local knowledge of, "issues in legislation, environmental protection and so on."

 

Many parts of the world have no local reviewer speaking the local language. The site relies upon the cache hider making the effort to read, understand and follow the listing guidelines, as they state they have, (now available in many translations.)

 

It's simply not feasible to have a reviewer for every region.

 

When I started reviewing, one reviewer handled Asia, Africa, most of Eastern Europe, another handled all Spanish & Portuguese speaking countries world wide.

 

Without this system, there would be no geocaches in those places. And, in spite of some errors made, there's geocaching happening in those areas now.

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