Squeezing in between caches...

[+SpookyDame]

I'm trying to squeeze in between two caches and went from placing my cache 99ish feet too close to the other caches, then 50ish feet and am now down to about 8ft too close to one, which happens to be one of my caches. Is that acceptable? Will a reviewer call me on that? Could I adjust my published cache slightly by 8 feet to make room for this new one? I had another cacher suggest I just put in the correct coordinates and assume cachers would look beyond the 8 feet, but is that cool to do?

[+Team Microdot]

I'm trying to squeeze in between two caches and went from placing my cache 99ish feet too close to the other caches, then 50ish feet and am now down to about 8ft too close to one, which happens to be one of my caches. Is that acceptable? Will a reviewer call me on that? Could I adjust my published cache slightly by 8 feet to make room for this new one? I had another cacher suggest I just put in the correct coordinates and assume cachers would look beyond the 8 feet, but is that cool to do?

 

Not cool.

 

Why is it so important to squeeze in another cache in that gap?

[+justintim1999]

Keep your cords as accurate as you can. Don't sacrifice quality or location (or accuracy) just so you can squeeze in another cache.

 

Also, keep in mind that reviewers are pretty smart. They'd probably recognize what's your doing and although you may get your new cache published you run the risk of jeopardize your reviewers trust. To me fudging cords isn't worth it.

[+Touchstone]

If the planning map pages are telling you it's too close (i.e. inside the red circle), chances are you will get called on it. Entering intentionally incorrect coordinates will just lead to a number of log entries from Finders telling you to correct them. When you do an update on the coordinates, the Reviewer will see it, and flag your Listing for Proximity post Publication. Not really worth it, in my opinion. I'd probably look for another spot.

[+SpookyDame]

Thank you for the responses! Not putting the right coords didn't feel 'right' to me, so glad I asked here too. I should always come here first- when I first started hiding, an experienced cacher told me if I wasn't sure of the type of cache I had, to mark it as a mystery which I did the first time. I'm not sure if he misunderstood me or what but it caused some issues of course.Had I just come here...well none of that would've happened. Back to the topic- could I adjust the flanking cache of mine to make room? I have wiggle room with that cache to adjust, the other flanking cache is not mine. I'd like to keep this cache in this area- it's in a section of park called The Haunted Hollow and it ties in with the cache container.

Edited May 23, 2016 by SpookyDame

[Pup Patrol]

Thank you for the responses! Not putting the right coords didn't feel 'right' to me, so glad I asked here too. I should always come here first- when I first started hiding, an experienced cacher told me if I wasn't sure of the type of cache I had, to mark it as a mystery which I did the first time. I'm not sure if he misunderstood me or what but it caused some issues of course.Had I just come here...well none of that would've happened.

 

Save yourself and your Reviewer a lot to wasted time by thoroughly reading the Guidelines and the Help Center.

 

Guidelines

https://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx

 

Help Center

http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php

 

Hiding a Geocache

http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.book&id=19

 

Back to the topic- could I adjust the flanking cache of mine to make room? I have wiggle room with that cache to adjust, the other flanking cache is not mine. I'd like to keep this cache in this area- it's in a section of park called The Haunted Hollow and it ties in with the cache container.

 

You can physically move your cache up to 0.1 miles (528 feet or 161 m) on your own. As long as it doesn't conflict with the other cache that you don't own.

 

If you do that, make sure you post the updated coordinates correctly. A "write note" on the cache page is not the correct way.

 

4.13. How do I update coordinates for my geocache?

http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=61

 

4.14. Editing a Published Listing: Minor Change

http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=201

 

4.15. Editing a Published Listing: Major Change.

http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=76

 

B.

[Pup Patrol]

You didn't mention whether these caches (yours and another person's) are "traditionals" or if any of them are multicaches or puzzle/mystery types.

 

You need to fully understand the Saturation Guidelines when it comes to virtual or physical stages of caches.

 

1.13. Saturation Guideline: Hidden, Virtual and Additional Waypoints

http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=232

 

 

B.

[Keystone]

Back to the topic- could I adjust the flanking cache of mine to make room? I have wiggle room with that cache to adjust, the other flanking cache is not mine. I'd like to keep this cache in this area- it's in a section of park called The Haunted Hollow and it ties in with the cache container.

If you actually move an existing cache of yours by a short distance and update the coordinates to match your field measurements at the new location, I don't see a problem with that.

[+OReviewer]

Back to the topic- could I adjust the flanking cache of mine to make room? I have wiggle room with that cache to adjust, the other flanking cache is not mine. I'd like to keep this cache in this area- it's in a section of park called The Haunted Hollow and it ties in with the cache container.

If you actually move an existing cache of yours by a short distance and update the coordinates to match your field measurements at the new location, I don't see a problem with that.

Assuming these movements don't lead the original cache(s) to come into a proximity conflict with other caches.

[+SpookyDame]

Again, thank you all for the great responses. I nudged my existing cache about ten feet to another tree which frees up the new cache. New cache is flanked by my traditional cache and a mystery cache (owned by another) which I solved for, have coords, found, etc. Everything is looking good, no conflicts I can see. I had a geo-pal double check my coordinates, and I think it's going to be good to go. I'll triple check tonight and submit tomorrow.

[+wimseyguy]

Thank you for the responses! Not putting the right coords didn't feel 'right' to me, so glad I asked here too. I should always come here first- when I first started hiding, an experienced cacher told me if I wasn't sure of the type of cache I had, to mark it as a mystery which I did the first time. I'm not sure if he misunderstood me or what but it caused some issues of course.Had I just come here...well none of that would've happened. Back to the topic- could I adjust the flanking cache of mine to make room? I have wiggle room with that cache to adjust, the other flanking cache is not mine. I'd like to keep this cache in this area- it's in a section of park called The Haunted Hollow and it ties in with the cache container.

 

I'm glad your geo-senses and ethics told you not to fudge the coords. I'm also glad to see good questions being asked in the forums. We need more people like you around here.

 

Back to the topic- Yes, CO's can always edit their existing hides a little bit (up to 528') if necessary. Sometimes a location gets compromised, sometimes the terrain or hosts change over time. I've had a root ball collapse onto a cache, I've had trees fall over, and in one case a vacant commercial building became a police maintenance garage.

 

Do keep in mind that our smart phones and recreational level GPS units are only so accurate out in the field. It's always a good idea to give some wiggle room during the hide and keep them at least .11 or .12 apart. Don't watch that counter and stop as soon as it hits 529'. You might find out that the website calculator has a different number than what you saw in your display.

[+WarNinjas]

I am having a problem close to this. I took my niece out caching for the first time from a houseboat. We found around 10 caches and she was instantly addicted! As we were walking I told her (WarNinjas style) We would swim out to that island out there in the water and hide it up that tree. Problem was the water was still to cold to swim in. She didn't care she wanted to do it! Well when we got out there the tree is maybe 10 feet to close to one on shore. After fighting the freezing water with a regular sized container and phone held up over our heads. She was so excited about it that I wanted to just fudge the coords a bit but have to much respect for the game and our reputation as hiders to do something like that.

 

 

Us swimming to the island

 

 

Getting ready for the swim.

 

I still placed it but I guess will have to pick it up next time I am out there. I know I shouldn't have place it. It was still a fun experience.

 

 

Her first cache was amazing!

Edited May 24, 2016 by WarNinjas

[+NanCycle]

I am having a problem close to this. I took my niece out caching for the first time from a houseboat. We found around 10 caches and she was instantly addicted! As we were walking I told her (WarNinjas style) We would swim out to that island out there in the water and hide it up that tree. Problem was the water was still to cold to swim in. She didn't care she wanted to do it! Well when we got out there the tree is maybe 10 feet to close to one on shore. After fighting the freezing water with a regular sized container and phone held up over our heads. She was so excited about it that I wanted to just fudge the coords a bit but have to much respect for the game and our reputation as hiders to do something like that.

 

 

Us swimming to the island

 

 

Getting ready for the swim.

 

I still placed it but I guess will have to pick it up next time I am out there. I know I shouldn't have place it. It was still a fun experience.

 

 

Her first cache was amazing!

 

You could contact the CO of the cache on shore and very politely ask if their cache could be moved just enough to make yours work. Some COs just won't move theirs for anything; others it might depend on how you ask. I know if I got such a request I would try to make it work.

[+hzoi]

I am having a problem close to this. I took my niece out caching for the first time from a houseboat. We found around 10 caches and she was instantly addicted! As we were walking I told her (WarNinjas style) We would swim out to that island out there in the water and hide it up that tree. Problem was the water was still to cold to swim in. She didn't care she wanted to do it! Well when we got out there the tree is maybe 10 feet to close to one on shore.

 

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I still placed it but I guess will have to pick it up next time I am out there.

 

 

You could contact the CO of the cache on shore and very politely ask if their cache could be moved just enough to make yours work. Some COs just won't move theirs for anything; others it might depend on how you ask. I know if I got such a request I would try to make it work.

 

Or, contact the reviewer and ask for an exception to policy for saturation. I have seen exceptions granted in situations like this. Not automatic, and I wouldn't bet the farm on it, but the worst thing they can do is say no, right?

[+WarNinjas]

Thanks, I thought about asking the CO if they could move there cache up the hill a tree to make it work but I know it is way out on a trail in the middle of no where so It would probably be a inconvenience and I don't want to do that to her. I did fix up one of there caches and she sent me a nice thank you. As a CO I would also do anything to help a new cache get published but asking her to go move a cache that without a boat is about a 2 mile hike I think would be to much to ask.

I have had many caches turned down for many reasons so it doesn't bother me one bit but I know my niece would think it is really cool to have. They have a time share in the houseboat so they are out there every 6 weeks.

[+noncentric]

Thanks, I thought about asking the CO if they could move there cache up the hill a tree to make it work but I know it is way out on a trail in the middle of no where so It would probably be a inconvenience and I don't want to do that to her. I did fix up one of there caches and she sent me a nice thank you. As a CO I would also do anything to help a new cache get published but asking her to go move a cache that without a boat is about a 2 mile hike I think would be to much to ask.

I have had many caches turned down for many reasons so it doesn't bother me one bit but I know my niece would think it is really cool to have. They have a time share in the houseboat so they are out there every 6 weeks.

Would it be okay for you to move the other cache, after asking the other CO of course? Having a cache on that little island would be very cool. Whenever I see little islands like that, I always wonder if there's a cache on it.