Geographically incorrect data on cache page.

[+Pond Bird]

So sometimes I'm reading the cache descriptions and it will say things like "just North of..." when it really is a few miles Northeast of the place or somebody will say it's in the "Town of ...." when really a community in and/or near the town might have that name -- or a school or other location -- but the town name is clearly shown by a map, and displayed on sites physically as a different name. For example, someone says "just north of the beautiful town of Newark" when really the cache is Northeast of Newark, which is a village in the Town of Arcadia.

 

Other times people will say its in the "small town of [community name]" but really the size of the community land and population does not show it is small nor is it a town (its a village or even a hamlet or other census-designated area where the town has a completely different name).

 

I know sometimes the towns have the same name as the community but usually they are different. Should reviewers be geographically checking the data or let the cachers reading the description decide for themselves what is geographically correct and what is geographically misleading?

Edited April 25, 2016 by Pond Bird

[+T.D.M.22]

So sometimes I'm reading the cache descriptions and it will say things like "just North of..." when it really is a few miles Northeast of the place or somebody will say it's in the "Town of ...." when really a community in and/or near the town might have that name -- or a school or other location -- but the town name is clearly shown by a map, and displayed on sites physically as a different name. For example, someone says "just north of the beautiful town of Newark" when really the cache is Northeast of Newark, which is a village in the Town of Arcadia.

 

Other times people will say its in the "small town of [community name]" but really the size of the community land and population does not show it is small nor is it a town (its a village or even a hamlet or other census-designated area where the town has a completely different name).

 

I know sometimes the towns have the same name as the community but usually they are different. Should reviewers be geographically checking the data or let the cachers reading the description decide for themselves what is geographically correct and what is geographically misleading?

 

When people start navigating to the cache based on the description and not the GPS co-ords then the reviewers can start watching for that.

 

Personally I think you're making it out to be more than it really is. Especially since we are navigating to co-ords and not place names. Now if it was a puzzle or letterbox where that could cause issues, then yes fix it.

[+narcissa]

Specifically which cache placement guideline is at issue here?

 

Reviewers are volunteers. They are there to ensure that caches meet the cache placement guidelines.

 

It isn't their job to fact-check inconsequential details.

[+Lil Devil]

I navigate to caches with my GPS which just has the coords. I rarely read the cache description. Usually only if I have trouble finding the cache. Often I never even glance at the description so I wouldn't know if there are inadequacies or even flat out lies.

 

There are bigger things in caching to worry about.

[+LaPaglia]

So sometimes I'm reading the cache descriptions and it will say things like "just North of..." when it really is a few miles Northeast of the place or somebody will say it's in the "Town of ...." when really a community in and/or near the town might have that name -- or a school or other location -- but the town name is clearly shown by a map, and displayed on sites physically as a different name. For example, someone says "just north of the beautiful town of Newark" when really the cache is Northeast of Newark, which is a village in the Town of Arcadia.

 

Other times people will say its in the "small town of [community name]" but really the size of the community land and population does not show it is small nor is it a town (its a village or even a hamlet or other census-designated area where the town has a completely different name).

 

I know sometimes the towns have the same name as the community but usually they are different. Should reviewers be geographically checking the data or let the cachers reading the description decide for themselves what is geographically correct and what is geographically misleading?

 

Just to keep things straight, how far is a 'just" What is the governing body that sets the standard for "just". Is there a fine for violating the distance of a 'just"? How much is the fine? Perhaps you could volunteer to be the "just" police for GSP. Lighten up Francis.

[Keystone]

I only check the coordinates, sorry. Also, sometimes hiders give a lame clue like "it's on the left side of the trail" - which is only helpful to the people who are traveling on the trail in the correct direction. I let those slide, too. Maybe it's time for me and my lackadasical attitude to retire. The pension benefits are freaking awesome.

[+noncentric]

Should reviewers be geographically checking the data...

No

 

...or let the cachers reading the description decide for themselves what is geographically correct and what is geographically misleading?

Yes

[+ChileHead]

If that is reasonable for reviewers to do, then let's add in others:

 

- Spell check: Lots of cash pages have terribal speling errors. Reviewers shuld refuse to publish until they are fixed.

 

- Push back on misleading hints like "Within 20 feet of a big tree". How big is big? This should say "Within 20 feet of a tree that was over 50ft tall as of the placement date"

 

- Inappropriate use of punctuation & grammar: Not using ' in contractions, redundant use of "!" at the end of sentences, all caps, run on sentences, that sort of thing.

 

- Unproven scientific and historical facts: Often caches pages go on and on and yadda yadda yadda you finally get to the part of the description that matters to a cacher. Any statements made in a cache listing, scientific or historical or other, should be backed by multiple references proving that they are well accepted by the appropriate establishment. Should this not be feasible, cache owners should write a short thesis backing their point of view and submit it with their cache listing.

 

Sarcasm aside, the important thing are the coordinates. People use that to find caches. If I say my cache is "just" north of the town of Fairport, I don't think it will cause anybody confusion if it's actually just a tad NNE of Fairport, which is a village not a town.

[+cheech gang]

Maybe it's time for me and my lackadasical attitude to retire. The pension benefits are freaking awesome.

 

I am already working on my input for the roast at your retirement party.

 

"Keystone was so lackadasical that once he..."

 

"Keystone and an improvident reviewer walk into a bar..."

 

"Keystone threatened to retire so many times that..."

[+Sherminator18]

Keep in mind that the Reviewers are volunteers. They do not get paid to do this and they most likely have a real job that they have to go to every day. They publish caches over spans of 100s of miles and don't have time to check every single detail on the cache page. They check to make sure the cache meets the guidelines.

 

Following the GPS coordinates is probably the safest bet.

[+narcissa]

You could always try writing really pedantic correction emails to cache owners.

 

Let us know how that goes. I know I really appreciate hearing about all my minor shortcomings from total strangers on the internet.

[+bflentje]

So sometimes I'm reading the cache descriptions and it will say things like "just North of..." when it really is a few miles Northeast of the place or somebody will say it's in the "Town of ...." when really a community in and/or near the town might have that name -- or a school or other location -- but the town name is clearly shown by a map, and displayed on sites physically as a different name. For example, someone says "just north of the beautiful town of Newark" when really the cache is Northeast of Newark, which is a village in the Town of Arcadia.

 

Other times people will say its in the "small town of [community name]" but really the size of the community land and population does not show it is small nor is it a town (its a village or even a hamlet or other census-designated area where the town has a completely different name).

 

I know sometimes the towns have the same name as the community but usually they are different. Should reviewers be geographically checking the data or let the cachers reading the description decide for themselves what is geographically correct and what is geographically misleading?

 

I think forum moderators should delete threads that begin with the word SO.

[+wimseyguy]

So sometimes I'm reading the cache descriptions and it will say things like "just North of..." when it really is a few miles Northeast of the place or somebody will say it's in the "Town of ...." when really a community in and/or near the town might have that name -- or a school or other location -- but the town name is clearly shown by a map, and displayed on sites physically as a different name. For example, someone says "just north of the beautiful town of Newark" when really the cache is Northeast of Newark, which is a village in the Town of Arcadia.

 

<snip>

 

I know sometimes the towns have the same name as the community but usually they are different. Should reviewers be geographically checking the data or let the cachers reading the description decide for themselves what is geographically correct and what is geographically misleading?

 

Also I think you need to include the proper phonetic pronunciation for those of us visiting from outside the area so we aren't embarrassed if we get it wrong. Is the NY version pronounced 'nork' like it is in NJ, or is it pronounced 'new-ark' like they do in DE?

[Keystone]

So sometimes I'm reading the cache descriptions and it will say things like "just North of..." when it really is a few miles Northeast of the place or somebody will say it's in the "Town of ...." when really a community in and/or near the town might have that name -- or a school or other location -- but the town name is clearly shown by a map, and displayed on sites physically as a different name. For example, someone says "just north of the beautiful town of Newark" when really the cache is Northeast of Newark, which is a village in the Town of Arcadia.

 

<snip>

 

I know sometimes the towns have the same name as the community but usually they are different. Should reviewers be geographically checking the data or let the cachers reading the description decide for themselves what is geographically correct and what is geographically misleading?

 

Also I think you need to include the proper phonetic pronunciation for those of us visiting from outside the area so we aren't embarrassed if we get it wrong. Is the NY version pronounced 'nork' like it is in NJ, or is it pronounced 'new-ark' like they do in DE?

Having grown up in Rochester, New York, I can say that it's neither -- natives would say "new-irk" which, come to think of it, is apropos to this thread.

 

Then again, Rochesterians pronounce the word "Charlotte" as "sha-lot" -- a city neighborhood -- and the Town of Chili is pronounced "Chy-lie".

[+cerberus1]

So sometimes I'm reading the cache descriptions and it will say things like "just North of..." when it really is a few miles Northeast of the place or somebody will say it's in the "Town of ...." when really a community in and/or near the town might have that name -- or a school or other location -- but the town name is clearly shown by a map, and displayed on sites physically as a different name. For example, someone says "just north of the beautiful town of Newark" when really the cache is Northeast of Newark, which is a village in the Town of Arcadia.

 

<snip>

 

I know sometimes the towns have the same name as the community but usually they are different. Should reviewers be geographically checking the data or let the cachers reading the description decide for themselves what is geographically correct and what is geographically misleading?

 

Also I think you need to include the proper phonetic pronunciation for those of us visiting from outside the area so we aren't embarrassed if we get it wrong. Is the NY version pronounced 'nork' like it is in NJ, or is it pronounced 'new-ark' like they do in DE?

Having grown up in Rochester, New York, I can say that it's neither -- natives would say "new-irk" which, come to think of it, is apropos to this thread.

 

Then again, Rochesterians pronounce the word "Charlotte" as "sha-lot" -- a city neighborhood -- and the Town of Chili is pronounced "Chy-lie".

+1

Born and raised in NJ, with most of my relatives in, or near "New-irk", NJ.

Never heard of "nork".

[+J Grouchy]

If that is reasonable for reviewers to do, then let's add in others:

 

- Spell check: Lots of cash pages have terribal speling errors. Reviewers shuld refuse to publish until they are fixed.

 

 

Sometimes I actually wish for this one...

[+ChileHead]

and the Town of Chili is pronounced "Chy-lie".

 

They obviously spell Chili wrong. Should be Chile.

[+Pond Bird]

Us 315ers generally call Newark "New-erk" and Chili as "Shy - Lie" but 585ers can have different interpretations. Some call Delhi "Deal - High" instead of "Del He" and Wolcott as pronounce "Wull - Kit" not "Will - cott" so yes it would be a good idea to explain pronounciations.

[+noncentric]

If that is reasonable for reviewers to do, then let's add in others:

 

- Spell check: Lots of cash pages have terribal speling errors. Reviewers shuld refuse to publish until they are fixed.

 

 

Sometimes I actually wish for this one...

+1

[+CanadianRockies]

My tour guide at the New Brunswick legislative building kept talking about the left-handed Governor. Eventually, I figured out it was the Lieutenant Governor.

[+NanCycle]

If that is reasonable for reviewers to do, then let's add in others:

 

- Spell check: Lots of cash pages have terribal speling errors. Reviewers shuld refuse to publish until they are fixed.

 

 

Sometimes I actually wish for this one...

 

Yes, and this one, which is closely related;

 

- Inappropriate use of punctuation & grammar: Not using ' in contractions, redundant use of "!" at the end of sentences, all caps, run on sentences, that sort of thing.

[+Harry Dolphin]

Born and raised in NJ, with most of my relatives in, or near "New-irk", NJ.

Never heard of "nork".

 

I always call it Nork (though I have heard Neerk). Maybe because I commuted to college on the Erie-Lackawanna. The conductors always called it "Nork. Next station stop: Nork."

You can tell when a New York announcer is not from the area when s/he reports a traffic acciden in ber-NARDS-ville. That's a dog. This is BERN-urds-ville.

We also have a new-FOUND-land. NEW-fund-land is in Canada. Unless, of course, you live there, then it's new-fund-LAND

[+Captain Jon]

Getting back on topic, Town, village, city, township really doesn't matter to me. Now if it's a new county or Delorme, I am in. I just like accurate cords, a useful hint if any at all is given, and caches that are worthy of going after. A few places in our (315) area are dissolving but it's still all the same to me.

[+Sherminator18]

I believe I know one of the caches the OP is referring to. GC6GBAF - it is located on Frontenac Island in Cayuga Lake. The cache page says:

 

"Frontenac island located in Cayuga Lake near the beautiful village of union springs."

 

Pond Bird is saying that this cache is NOT in Union Springs even though the map on the cache page clearly says Union Springs to the right of the cache. He might also be complaining that Union Springs is not a village, but according to all sources on the internet I've found it is a village.

 

"Union Springs is a village in Cayuga County, New York, United States."

 

But in all honesty, who cares if the CO says its in/near a village/town/city - it doesn't really matter.

Edited April 26, 2016 by Sherminator18

[+NYPaddleCacher]

I believe I know one of the caches the OP is referring to. GC6AGBAF - it is located on Frontenac Island in Cayuga Lake. The cache page says:

 

"Frontenac island located in Cayuga Lake near the beautiful village of union springs."

 

Pond Bird is saying that this cache is NOT in Union Springs even though the map on the cache page clearly says Union Springs to the right of the cache. He might also be complaining that Union Springs is not a village, but according to all sources on the internet I've found it is a village.

 

"Union Springs is a village in Cayuga County, New York, United States."

 

But in all honesty, who cares if the CO says its in/near a village/town/city - it doesn't really matter.

 

The GC code is actually: http://coord.info/GC6GBAF

 

There used to be another cache on that island called "Gilligans Island". I was FTF on it.

 

The cache listings only contain fields for a CountryID and a StateID. Those are just labels for an integer identifier. If some enters a city, county, town, village, or hamlet name it's only going to appear in the description.

 

 

[+Sherminator18]

I believe I know one of the caches the OP is referring to. GC6AGBAF - it is located on Frontenac Island in Cayuga Lake. The cache page says:

 

"Frontenac island located in Cayuga Lake near the beautiful village of union springs."

 

Pond Bird is saying that this cache is NOT in Union Springs even though the map on the cache page clearly says Union Springs to the right of the cache. He might also be complaining that Union Springs is not a village, but according to all sources on the internet I've found it is a village.

 

"Union Springs is a village in Cayuga County, New York, United States."

 

But in all honesty, who cares if the CO says its in/near a village/town/city - it doesn't really matter.

 

The GC code is actually: http://coord.info/GC6GBAF

 

There used to be another cache on that island called "Gilligans Island". I was FTF on it.

 

The cache listings only contain fields for a CountryID and a StateID. Those are just labels for an integer identifier. If some enters a city, county, town, village, or hamlet name it's only going to appear in the description.

 

Whoops.. one too many letters. My apologies.

[+TheHudsonHawk]

if you have accurate coordinates, why do you need to know 'just north of'? if you map the coordinates you would know what exactly 'just north of' mean. since what you are basically talking about is how someone gauges distance, and while for me 20 miles might still seem like 'just north of' for others that might be different, as for the town/village discussion, i feel like any good geocacher would map the coords before setting up for a cache and that would make knowing the town vs the village name unnecessary

[+Pond Bird]

if you have accurate coordinates, why do you need to know 'just north of'? if you map the coordinates you would know what exactly 'just north of' mean. since what you are basically talking about is how someone gauges distance, and while for me 20 miles might still seem like 'just north of' for others that might be different, as for the town/village discussion, i feel like any good geocacher would map the coords before setting up for a cache and that would make knowing the town vs the village name unnecessary

 

To me "just north of" is less than 5 miles directly, or almost directly, north of that place. The name may be unnecessary but sometimes people like to know where they can access things, if it says "Town of Blank" they wouldn't find a listing for town offices since that isn't the name, but if they had the right name they could figure out who the town supervisor is (or whatever title is in that jurisdiction) and let them know they plan on doing the geocache and what to expect.

[+Sherminator18]

if you have accurate coordinates, why do you need to know 'just north of'? if you map the coordinates you would know what exactly 'just north of' mean. since what you are basically talking about is how someone gauges distance, and while for me 20 miles might still seem like 'just north of' for others that might be different, as for the town/village discussion, i feel like any good geocacher would map the coords before setting up for a cache and that would make knowing the town vs the village name unnecessary

 

To me "just north of" is less than 5 miles directly, or almost directly, north of that place. The name may be unnecessary but sometimes people like to know where they can access things, if it says "Town of Blank" they wouldn't find a listing for town offices since that isn't the name, but if they had the right name they could figure out who the town supervisor is (or whatever title is in that jurisdiction) and let them know they plan on doing the geocache and what to expect.

 

Why would you need to contact a town supervisor if you plan on searching for a geocache?

[+narcissa]

if you have accurate coordinates, why do you need to know 'just north of'? if you map the coordinates you would know what exactly 'just north of' mean. since what you are basically talking about is how someone gauges distance, and while for me 20 miles might still seem like 'just north of' for others that might be different, as for the town/village discussion, i feel like any good geocacher would map the coords before setting up for a cache and that would make knowing the town vs the village name unnecessary

 

To me "just north of" is less than 5 miles directly, or almost directly, north of that place. The name may be unnecessary but sometimes people like to know where they can access things, if it says "Town of Blank" they wouldn't find a listing for town offices since that isn't the name, but if they had the right name they could figure out who the town supervisor is (or whatever title is in that jurisdiction) and let them know they plan on doing the geocache and what to expect.

 

What?

[+wimseyguy]

Ditto with the sherminator; why do you need to notify anyone of your whereabouts when you're caching?

Are you a sex criminal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKOjhLTpLns&list=PLckLgPKlCS65m8It_mBnqkiV1a2CcvGdk&index=5

[+Pond Bird]

if you have accurate coordinates, why do you need to know 'just north of'? if you map the coordinates you would know what exactly 'just north of' mean. since what you are basically talking about is how someone gauges distance, and while for me 20 miles might still seem like 'just north of' for others that might be different, as for the town/village discussion, i feel like any good geocacher would map the coords before setting up for a cache and that would make knowing the town vs the village name unnecessary

 

To me "just north of" is less than 5 miles directly, or almost directly, north of that place. The name may be unnecessary but sometimes people like to know where they can access things, if it says "Town of Blank" they wouldn't find a listing for town offices since that isn't the name, but if they had the right name they could figure out who the town supervisor is (or whatever title is in that jurisdiction) and let them know they plan on doing the geocache and what to expect.

 

Why would you need to contact a town supervisor if you plan on searching for a geocache?

 

Some people aren't from the area and they want to make sure they're safe and have a happy search for a cache. Maybe not contacting the town superviosr, but finding some information that would be useful. I go to places near Syracuse or ROchester, and going to someplace near Buffalo ~ I'd like to know what to expect so information such as a trail map.

[+narcissa]

if you have accurate coordinates, why do you need to know 'just north of'? if you map the coordinates you would know what exactly 'just north of' mean. since what you are basically talking about is how someone gauges distance, and while for me 20 miles might still seem like 'just north of' for others that might be different, as for the town/village discussion, i feel like any good geocacher would map the coords before setting up for a cache and that would make knowing the town vs the village name unnecessary

 

To me "just north of" is less than 5 miles directly, or almost directly, north of that place. The name may be unnecessary but sometimes people like to know where they can access things, if it says "Town of Blank" they wouldn't find a listing for town offices since that isn't the name, but if they had the right name they could figure out who the town supervisor is (or whatever title is in that jurisdiction) and let them know they plan on doing the geocache and what to expect.

 

Why would you need to contact a town supervisor if you plan on searching for a geocache?

 

Some people aren't from the area and they want to make sure they're safe and have a happy search for a cache. Maybe not contacting the town superviosr, but finding some information that would be useful. I go to places near Syracuse or ROchester, and going to someplace near Buffalo ~ I'd like to know what to expect so information such as a trail map.

 

So, rather than looking at the map, which shows specifically where the geocaches are, you comb through cache descriptions looking for information about which town hall you need to visit?

 

That seems remarkably inefficient.

[+Sherminator18]

if you have accurate coordinates, why do you need to know 'just north of'? if you map the coordinates you would know what exactly 'just north of' mean. since what you are basically talking about is how someone gauges distance, and while for me 20 miles might still seem like 'just north of' for others that might be different, as for the town/village discussion, i feel like any good geocacher would map the coords before setting up for a cache and that would make knowing the town vs the village name unnecessary

 

To me "just north of" is less than 5 miles directly, or almost directly, north of that place. The name may be unnecessary but sometimes people like to know where they can access things, if it says "Town of Blank" they wouldn't find a listing for town offices since that isn't the name, but if they had the right name they could figure out who the town supervisor is (or whatever title is in that jurisdiction) and let them know they plan on doing the geocache and what to expect.

 

Why would you need to contact a town supervisor if you plan on searching for a geocache?

 

Some people aren't from the area and they want to make sure they're safe and have a happy search for a cache. Maybe not contacting the town superviosr, but finding some information that would be useful. I go to places near Syracuse or ROchester, and going to someplace near Buffalo ~ I'd like to know what to expect so information such as a trail map.

 

So, rather than looking at the map, which shows specifically where the geocaches are, you comb through cache descriptions looking for information about which town hall you need to visit?

 

That seems remarkably inefficient.

 

I agree. I have cached in many different areas of my state and also cached in many different states. Never have I contacted someone from the town to get information.

[+Harry Dolphin]

New York is unusual (at least from my viewpoint) in allowing a municipality called a village to exist with in a municipality called a town. (Probably done to avoid the splintering that occurred in New Jersey.) The cache is obviously in the town of Springport, not the village of Union Springs. The residents of Union Springs probably live in two municipalities at the same time. So, you are correct: it is not in Union Springs. But more people would know of Union Springs than Springport.

In New Jersey, we have a lot of place names (which may include a post office) that are not the name of the municipality. So, don't tell me that cache is in the town of Hibernia. The municipality is Rockaway Township.

Had an argument with a coworker who insisted Succasunna was a town, because it had a post office. Sorry. That's Roxbury Township.

[+Sherminator18]

New York is unusual (at least from my viewpoint) in allowing a municipality called a village to exist with in a municipality called a town. (Probably done to avoid the splintering that occurred in New Jersey.) The cache is obviously in the town of Springport, not the village of Union Springs. The residents of Union Springs probably live in two municipalities at the same time. So, you are correct: it is not in Union Springs. But more people would know of Union Springs than Springport.

In New Jersey, we have a lot of place names (which may include a post office) that are not the name of the municipality. So, don't tell me that cache is in the town of Hibernia. The municipality is Rockaway Township.

Had an argument with a coworker who insisted Succasunna was a town, because it had a post office. Sorry. That's Roxbury Township.

 

Technically the cache page says the cache is on an island NEAR the village of Union Springs, which is correct. You launch your boat from a boat launch right next to the Union Springs Village Clerk office. The village of Union Springs is located within the town of Springport, which is within the county of Cayuga, which is within New York State, which is within the United States, which is in North America. How far do we really need to go with this?

[+TheHudsonHawk]

New York is unusual (at least from my viewpoint) in allowing a municipality called a village to exist with in a municipality called a town. (Probably done to avoid the splintering that occurred in New Jersey.) The cache is obviously in the town of Springport, not the village of Union Springs. The residents of Union Springs probably live in two municipalities at the same time. So, you are correct: it is not in Union Springs. But more people would know of Union Springs than Springport.

In New Jersey, we have a lot of place names (which may include a post office) that are not the name of the municipality. So, don't tell me that cache is in the town of Hibernia. The municipality is Rockaway Township.

Had an argument with a coworker who insisted Succasunna was a town, because it had a post office. Sorry. That's Roxbury Township.

 

Technically the cache page says the cache is on an island NEAR the village of Union Springs, which is correct. You launch your boat from a boat launch right next to the Union Springs Village Clerk office. The village of Union Springs is located within the town of Springport, which is within the county of Cayuga, which is within New York State, which is within the United States, which is in North America. How far do we really need to go with this?

 

Sorry, im catching in Auburn today, must i contact the village, town, county supervisor, state governor, us president, or the Illuminati that runs the world?

and really, the cache has coords for the cache, cords for parking. what else do i need to put in there for you to feel safe caching IN AN UNINHABITED ISLAND.

Edited April 27, 2016 by TheHudsonHawk

[Keystone]

what else do i need to put in there for you to feel safe caching IN AN UNINHABITED ISLAND.

As a reviewer, I'd want to see the Skipper's contact information so that permission can be confirmed.

As a cache owner, I'd want to share the Professor's contact information so that interested readers can go to him for guidance on the history, geology and weather conditions on the island.

As a player, I'd want to see Ginger's contact information.

[+ChileHead]

what else do i need to put in there for you to feel safe caching IN AN UNINHABITED ISLAND.

As a reviewer, I'd want to see the Skipper's contact information so that permission can be confirmed.

As a cache owner, I'd want to share the Professor's contact information so that interested readers can go to him for guidance on the history, geology and weather conditions on the island.

As a player, I'd want to see Ginger's contact information.

 

As a consumer of pies, I'd want to make sure Mary Ann has enough baking supplies. As a player, I prefer Mary Ann anyway to Ginger.

[+igator210]

what else do i need to put in there for you to feel safe caching IN AN UNINHABITED ISLAND.

As a reviewer, I'd want to see the Skipper's contact information so that permission can be confirmed.

As a cache owner, I'd want to share the Professor's contact information so that interested readers can go to him for guidance on the history, geology and weather conditions on the island.

As a player, I'd want to see Ginger's contact information.

 

<Insert double entendre remark about Ginger>

[Keystone]

Preferences as between Mary Ann and Ginger are best reflected in the difficulty and terrain ratings. Mary Ann rates out as around 4/3 whereas Ginger is a 1/4.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Keystone

[+NYPaddleCacher]

what else do i need to put in there for you to feel safe caching IN AN UNINHABITED ISLAND.

As a reviewer, I'd want to see the Skipper's contact information so that permission can be confirmed.

As a cache owner, I'd want to share the Professor's contact information so that interested readers can go to him for guidance on the history, geology and weather conditions on the island.

As a player, I'd want to see Ginger's contact information.

 

Okay, as long I can get Mr. Howells banking information and Mary Ann's contact information.

 

As I mentioned in another thread, there used to be a cache on that island called Gilligans Island.

 

To seriously answer TheHudsonHawk's question, having found a cache on that island.

 

The island is just over 1/2 of a mile from shore. The current water temperature is about 48 degrees. Have you ever been out on Cayuga lake when the wind is really blowing in a kayak or canoe? I have many times and the risk of capsize is high. I've been out on the lake with a friend in another kayak 100' in front of me and lost sight of him due to the height of the waves. A capsize in 48 degree water, especially when paddling alone, and the risk of dying from hypothermia is high. If I owned that cache on the island I would probably disable it from the beginning of December until the end of May. It might be okay for an experienced paddler that owned a dry suit and was proficient in self rescue techniques but and island cache might temp many that don't have much experience and and just not aware of the risks they're putting themselves going out with the water is still very cold.

 

 

[+TheHudsonHawk]

what else do i need to put in there for you to feel safe caching IN AN UNINHABITED ISLAND.

As a reviewer, I'd want to see the Skipper's contact information so that permission can be confirmed.

As a cache owner, I'd want to share the Professor's contact information so that interested readers can go to him for guidance on the history, geology and weather conditions on the island.

As a player, I'd want to see Ginger's contact information.

 

Okay, as long I can get Mr. Howells banking information and Mary Ann's contact information.

 

As I mentioned in another thread, there used to be a cache on that island called Gilligans Island.

 

To seriously answer TheHudsonHawk's question, having found a cache on that island.

 

The island is just over 1/2 of a mile from shore. The current water temperature is about 48 degrees. Have you ever been out on Cayuga lake when the wind is really blowing in a kayak or canoe? I have many times and the risk of capsize is high. I've been out on the lake with a friend in another kayak 100' in front of me and lost sight of him due to the height of the waves. A capsize in 48 degree water, especially when paddling alone, and the risk of dying from hypothermia is high. If I owned that cache on the island I would probably disable it from the beginning of December until the end of May. It might be okay for an experienced paddler that owned a dry suit and was proficient in self rescue techniques but and island cache might temp many that don't have much experience and and just not aware of the risks they're putting themselves going out with the water is still very cold.

While i understand that and yeah im lucky to be a proficient kayaker i did advice in the cache that the paddle is a difficult one. and i guess i could put that you should do it at your own risk. however isnt that the disclaimer for any cache? if you get to shore and see the water too choppy you should know what your level is and what you can handle. and yeah the cache will be disabled from november until the first week of april.

[+bflentje]

what else do i need to put in there for you to feel safe caching IN AN UNINHABITED ISLAND.

As a reviewer, I'd want to see the Skipper's contact information so that permission can be confirmed.

As a cache owner, I'd want to share the Professor's contact information so that interested readers can go to him for guidance on the history, geology and weather conditions on the island.

As a player, I'd want to see Ginger's contact information.

 

Okay, as long I can get Mr. Howells banking information and Mary Ann's contact information.

 

As I mentioned in another thread, there used to be a cache on that island called Gilligans Island.

 

To seriously answer TheHudsonHawk's question, having found a cache on that island.

 

The island is just over 1/2 of a mile from shore. The current water temperature is about 48 degrees. Have you ever been out on Cayuga lake when the wind is really blowing in a kayak or canoe? I have many times and the risk of capsize is high. I've been out on the lake with a friend in another kayak 100' in front of me and lost sight of him due to the height of the waves. A capsize in 48 degree water, especially when paddling alone, and the risk of dying from hypothermia is high. If I owned that cache on the island I would probably disable it from the beginning of December until the end of May. It might be okay for an experienced paddler that owned a dry suit and was proficient in self rescue techniques but and island cache might temp many that don't have much experience and and just not aware of the risks they're putting themselves going out with the water is still very cold.

 

Disabling a cache based strictly on seasonal weather conditions is pretty lame. Just rate it properly with a good write up and then everyone caches at their own risk, period.

[+NYPaddleCacher]

what else do i need to put in there for you to feel safe caching IN AN UNINHABITED ISLAND.

As a reviewer, I'd want to see the Skipper's contact information so that permission can be confirmed.

As a cache owner, I'd want to share the Professor's contact information so that interested readers can go to him for guidance on the history, geology and weather conditions on the island.

As a player, I'd want to see Ginger's contact information.

 

Okay, as long I can get Mr. Howells banking information and Mary Ann's contact information.

 

As I mentioned in another thread, there used to be a cache on that island called Gilligans Island.

 

To seriously answer TheHudsonHawk's question, having found a cache on that island.

 

The island is just over 1/2 of a mile from shore. The current water temperature is about 48 degrees. Have you ever been out on Cayuga lake when the wind is really blowing in a kayak or canoe? I have many times and the risk of capsize is high. I've been out on the lake with a friend in another kayak 100' in front of me and lost sight of him due to the height of the waves. A capsize in 48 degree water, especially when paddling alone, and the risk of dying from hypothermia is high. If I owned that cache on the island I would probably disable it from the beginning of December until the end of May. It might be okay for an experienced paddler that owned a dry suit and was proficient in self rescue techniques but and island cache might temp many that don't have much experience and and just not aware of the risks they're putting themselves going out with the water is still very cold.

While i understand that and yeah im lucky to be a proficient kayaker i did advice in the cache that the paddle is a difficult one. and i guess i could put that you should do it at your own risk. however isnt that the disclaimer for any cache? if you get to shore and see the water too choppy you should know what your level is and what you can handle. and yeah the cache will be disabled from november until the first week of april.

 

Yes, you can only do so much to advise others about the risk.

 

However, choppy conditions are only part of the problem. The bigger issue is the water temperature. I use to follow a paddling Usenet group and ever year, like clockwork there would be reports of incidents involving people going out in the spring when the outdoor temperature was nice but the water was still very cold. More than a few of those incidents turned out to be fatal.

 

"Do it at your own risk" provides a warning but may only really be helpful to someone that can accurately assess the risk. Many beginning paddlers are just not aware of how quickly things can go bad. When encountered with a cache on the side of a cliff, most people can easily access the risk of trying to climb down/up to get it. The risks involved in paddling a kayak or canoe in open water, in April, are just not as obvious.

 

 

[+JL_HSTRE]

For once I'm glad I live in Florida. No Townships. No nested municipalities. Below the county level you might be in a City, Town, or Village but never more than one at a time.

[+TheHudsonHawk]

what else do i need to put in there for you to feel safe caching IN AN UNINHABITED ISLAND.

As a reviewer, I'd want to see the Skipper's contact information so that permission can be confirmed.

As a cache owner, I'd want to share the Professor's contact information so that interested readers can go to him for guidance on the history, geology and weather conditions on the island.

As a player, I'd want to see Ginger's contact information.

 

Okay, as long I can get Mr. Howells banking information and Mary Ann's contact information.

 

As I mentioned in another thread, there used to be a cache on that island called Gilligans Island.

 

To seriously answer TheHudsonHawk's question, having found a cache on that island.

 

The island is just over 1/2 of a mile from shore. The current water temperature is about 48 degrees. Have you ever been out on Cayuga lake when the wind is really blowing in a kayak or canoe? I have many times and the risk of capsize is high. I've been out on the lake with a friend in another kayak 100' in front of me and lost sight of him due to the height of the waves. A capsize in 48 degree water, especially when paddling alone, and the risk of dying from hypothermia is high. If I owned that cache on the island I would probably disable it from the beginning of December until the end of May. It might be okay for an experienced paddler that owned a dry suit and was proficient in self rescue techniques but and island cache might temp many that don't have much experience and and just not aware of the risks they're putting themselves going out with the water is still very cold.

 

Disabling a cache based strictly on seasonal weather conditions is pretty lame. Just rate it properly with a good write up and then everyone caches at their own risk, period.

if people were rational and had good judgement that would be awesome...

[+Pond Bird]

what else do i need to put in there for you to feel safe caching IN AN UNINHABITED ISLAND.

As a reviewer, I'd want to see the Skipper's contact information so that permission can be confirmed.

As a cache owner, I'd want to share the Professor's contact information so that interested readers can go to him for guidance on the history, geology and weather conditions on the island.

As a player, I'd want to see Ginger's contact information.

 

Okay, as long I can get Mr. Howells banking information and Mary Ann's contact information.

 

As I mentioned in another thread, there used to be a cache on that island called Gilligans Island.

 

To seriously answer TheHudsonHawk's question, having found a cache on that island.

 

The island is just over 1/2 of a mile from shore. The current water temperature is about 48 degrees. Have you ever been out on Cayuga lake when the wind is really blowing in a kayak or canoe? I have many times and the risk of capsize is high. I've been out on the lake with a friend in another kayak 100' in front of me and lost sight of him due to the height of the waves. A capsize in 48 degree water, especially when paddling alone, and the risk of dying from hypothermia is high. If I owned that cache on the island I would probably disable it from the beginning of December until the end of May. It might be okay for an experienced paddler that owned a dry suit and was proficient in self rescue techniques but and island cache might temp many that don't have much experience and and just not aware of the risks they're putting themselves going out with the water is still very cold.

While i understand that and yeah im lucky to be a proficient kayaker i did advice in the cache that the paddle is a difficult one. and i guess i could put that you should do it at your own risk. however isnt that the disclaimer for any cache? if you get to shore and see the water too choppy you should know what your level is and what you can handle. and yeah the cache will be disabled from november until the first week of april.

 

Did the island owner(s) tell you that they dis-encourage kayaking to the island between November and April? If so they do know best.

[+TheHudsonHawk]

what else do i need to put in there for you to feel safe caching IN AN UNINHABITED ISLAND.

As a reviewer, I'd want to see the Skipper's contact information so that permission can be confirmed.

As a cache owner, I'd want to share the Professor's contact information so that interested readers can go to him for guidance on the history, geology and weather conditions on the island.

As a player, I'd want to see Ginger's contact information.

 

Okay, as long I can get Mr. Howells banking information and Mary Ann's contact information.

 

As I mentioned in another thread, there used to be a cache on that island called Gilligans Island.

 

To seriously answer TheHudsonHawk's question, having found a cache on that island.

 

The island is just over 1/2 of a mile from shore. The current water temperature is about 48 degrees. Have you ever been out on Cayuga lake when the wind is really blowing in a kayak or canoe? I have many times and the risk of capsize is high. I've been out on the lake with a friend in another kayak 100' in front of me and lost sight of him due to the height of the waves. A capsize in 48 degree water, especially when paddling alone, and the risk of dying from hypothermia is high. If I owned that cache on the island I would probably disable it from the beginning of December until the end of May. It might be okay for an experienced paddler that owned a dry suit and was proficient in self rescue techniques but and island cache might temp many that don't have much experience and and just not aware of the risks they're putting themselves going out with the water is still very cold.

While i understand that and yeah im lucky to be a proficient kayaker i did advice in the cache that the paddle is a difficult one. and i guess i could put that you should do it at your own risk. however isnt that the disclaimer for any cache? if you get to shore and see the water too choppy you should know what your level is and what you can handle. and yeah the cache will be disabled from november until the first week of april.

 

Did the island owner(s) tell you that they dis-encourage kayaking to the island between November and April? If so they do know best.

Next time I talk to Andy Cuomo I will ask him!

[+jellis]

I don't understand the ones that say " when you reach GZ look to your right" well that would depend on which directions you came in or if you are standing in front or behind GZ