Washington APE Cache

[+RonGerth]

What was decided about that APE cache that was rediscovered out in Washington State? I live in Duluth MN and am going to take a road trip to find it if they decided to put it back into play. I know there was a poll put up. Any news???

 

Hope they put it back into play but a trip to Brazil would be fun also so...........

 

Thanks

 

RonGerth

[Rock Chalk]

No decision has been made.

 

We surveyed the community to gauge support for a few ideas, as well as to solicit further suggestions. After going through that feedback, we're now constructing the final ballot of potential solutions. Once the ballot is announced, the community will vote.

[+RonGerth]

No decision has been made.

 

We surveyed the community to gauge support for a few ideas, as well as to solicit further suggestions. After going through that feedback, we're now constructing the final ballot of potential solutions. Once the ballot is announced, the community will vote.

 

Thank you for the info. I can't wait to see what happens with it although you can probably guess as to my preferences from the first post.

 

Ron

[+I Spy.]

No decision has been made.

 

We surveyed the community to gauge support for a few ideas, as well as to solicit further suggestions. After going through that feedback, we're now constructing the final ballot of potential solutions. Once the ballot is announced, the community will vote.

 

Thank you for the info. I can't wait to see what happens with it although you can probably guess as to my preferences from the first post.

 

Ron

 

I'm with Ron (I think)...another Minnesotan who would like to see the cache released to be found!

[+DragonsWest]

Thanks to a post in the public geocaching forum I found this thread. I hope the ballot will be more visible. Can it please be pinned, so it doesn't sink to the bottom?

 

This is a thread of great interest.

 

(I've got a find on the cache from ages ago, but I sympathize with the world travelers, as well as the new to the game locals and the wandering spirits of the world.)

[+Geo_Raptor]

Looks like the survey is up...

 

https://www.geocaching.com/blog/2017/02/ape-cache-vote/#disqus_thread

[+narcissa]

Looks like the survey is up...

 

https://www.geocaching.com/blog/2017/02/ape-cache-vote/#disqus_thread

 

Just saw this on Facebook. Looking forward to seeing what the decision is. Not a cache I'd ever be able to visit, but it would be cool to know it was back in action.

[+noncentric]

Just saw this on Facebook. Looking forward to seeing what the decision is. Not a cache I'd ever be able to visit, but it would be cool to know it was back in action.

I also think it would be nice to see it back, either year-round or once a year during the Mega event (the 3rd and 4th options in the survey). The container is the original container with some original swag still inside. It would give a lot of people, and newer cachers, the opportunity to collect the icon without making a trip to Brazil - which may be less economically feasible for them.

 

There are concerns about a replaced cache being muggled again. I don't know if that would definitely happen, since it's been almost 6 years since the cache was tossed aside and there are plenty of caches in that area that have managed just fine in recent years. But it would be a bummer if the cache came back, only to be muggled again.

 

I'm leaning towards voting for "Activate Once a Year". Best of both worlds. Cachers can see it on display throughout the year, or plan a trip to Seattle to log it as a cache in its original spot during the Mega event. That would keep it safe from muggling.

 

NOTE that the options detailed in the blog post are in a different order on the ballot, so be sure to read carefully when voting.

Edited February 21, 2017 by noncentric

[+Manville Possum]

NOTE that the options detailed in the blog post are in a different order on the ballot, so be sure to read carefully when voting.

 

I voted to let it tour the US with the O.C.B. in a geocaching history mobile. Log it as a moving cache and get a Geocaching Trunk Monkey icon.

[+noncentric]

I voted to let it tour the US with the O.C.B. in a geocaching history mobile. Log it as a moving cache and get a Geocaching Trunk Monkey icon.

Bolding mine.

Huh? It's not loggable as a cache with that option.

[+Manville Possum]

I voted to let it tour the US with the O.C.B. in a geocaching history mobile. Log it as a moving cache and get a Geocaching Trunk Monkey icon.

Bolding mine.

Huh? It's not loggable as a cache with that option.

 

It's the Washington Ape cache. HQ can make it an option.

[+noncentric]

I voted to let it tour the US with the O.C.B. in a geocaching history mobile. Log it as a moving cache and get a Geocaching Trunk Monkey icon.

Bolding mine.

Huh? It's not loggable as a cache with that option.

 

It's the Washington Ape cache. HQ can make it an option.

Well, there are 4 options up for vote. Having it tour the US and be loggable as a cache is not one of those options. Have you read the blog post yet? There are 4 final options up for vote, based on the feedback that was received a while ago. If your feedback a few months ago was to have it be a loggable traveling cache, then that isn't one of the final 4 options.

[+Manville Possum]

I voted to let it tour the US with the O.C.B. in a geocaching history mobile. Log it as a moving cache and get a Geocaching Trunk Monkey icon.

Bolding mine.

Huh? It's not loggable as a cache with that option.

 

It's the Washington Ape cache. HQ can make it an option.

Well, there are 4 options up for vote. Having it tour the US and be loggable as a cache is not one of those options. Have you read the blog post yet? There are 4 final options up for vote, based on the feedback that was received a while ago. If your feedback a few months ago was to have it be a loggable traveling cache, then that isn't one of the final 4 options.

 

Yes, I already voted a few times. No, really. I liked the Traveling Artifact idea. And yes, I would like the icon too look something like a Geocaching Trunk Monkey. You know that we all have them.

[+noncentric]

I voted to let it tour the US with the O.C.B. in a geocaching history mobile. Log it as a moving cache and get a Geocaching Trunk Monkey icon.

Bolding mine.

Huh? It's not loggable as a cache with that option.

 

It's the Washington Ape cache. HQ can make it an option.

Well, there are 4 options up for vote. Having it tour the US and be loggable as a cache is not one of those options. Have you read the blog post yet? There are 4 final options up for vote, based on the feedback that was received a while ago. If your feedback a few months ago was to have it be a loggable traveling cache, then that isn't one of the final 4 options.

 

Yes, I already voted a few times. No, really. I liked the Traveling Artifact idea. And yes, I would like the icon too look something like a Geocaching Trunk Monkey. You know that we all have them.

Ah, gotcha. I read the "moving cache" part of your comment and thought you meant cache type "icon", not trackable icon.

 

Three of the options, not the Return/Reactivate option, would allow the cache to be logged as a special trackable with a special trackable "icon".

[+niraD]

And yes, I would like the icon too look something like a Geocaching Trunk Monkey. You know that we all have them.

Google to the rescue. I now now what a "trunk monkey" is.

 

Is a "geocaching trunk monkey" the same thing as a "trunk monkey", only for geocaching?

[+Manville Possum]

And yes, I would like the icon too look something like a Geocaching Trunk Monkey. You know that we all have them.

Google to the rescue. I now now what a "trunk monkey" is.

 

Is a "geocaching trunk monkey" the same thing as a "trunk monkey", only for geocaching?

 

Well, they are not only for geocaching, but now you know what a trunk monkey is so you get the idea. Ever hear of three monkey monte, or chimp-scotching?

[Keystone]

I think the "trunk monkey" joke has played out. It can be continued in the Off Topic forum, if desired. Let's get back to talking about the options for the APE cache.

[+NYPaddleCacher]

I voted to let it tour the US with the O.C.B. in a geocaching history mobile. Log it as a moving cache and get a Geocaching Trunk Monkey icon.

Bolding mine.

Huh? It's not loggable as a cache with that option.

 

It's the Washington Ape cache. HQ can make it an option.

 

I am not going to vote because "leave it archived" is not an option.

 

This does make me wonder what ever happened to the other 10 original Ape cache containers. The just didn't all disappear. At least a few of them were muggled by someone. If one or more of those came to light would GS treat them the same way that they're treating Tunnel of Light?

 

 

[+palmetto]

"leave it archived" is not an option.

 

There are 4 options, and 2 of them are leave it archived.

One of them is replace and reactivate, and one is reactive for 1 week of the year.

[+NYPaddleCacher]

"leave it archived" is not an option.

 

There are 4 options, and 2 of them are leave it archived.

One of them is replace and reactivate, and one is reactive for 1 week of the year.

 

By leave it archived I meant, "do nothing". The two options which leave it archive also including creating a trackable code so that one can get credit for seeing it.

 

 

[+dprovan]

By leave it archived I meant, "do nothing". The two options which leave it archive also including creating a trackable code so that one can get credit for seeing it.

I didn't look at the poll, but I agree that "rest in peace" should definitely be an explicit option. I don't think many people would vote for it, but it's important to recognize that as a possible answer.

[+Manville Possum]

I voted to let it tour the US with the O.C.B. in a geocaching history mobile. Log it as a moving cache and get a Geocaching Trunk Monkey icon.

Bolding mine.

Huh? It's not loggable as a cache with that option.

 

It's the Washington Ape cache. HQ can make it an option.

 

I am not going to vote because "leave it archived" is not an option.

 

This does make me wonder what ever happened to the other 10 original Ape cache containers. The just didn't all disappear. At least a few of them were muggled by someone. If one or more of those came to light would GS treat them the same way that they're treating Tunnel of Light?

 

I would have voted to just leave it archived as it presently is, but it's special to the Lackey's at HQ so we just have to play along, or not.

 

I have thought all along that the darn thing would be brought back as a trackable that has some sort of Ape image icon, and it likely will.

[+noncentric]

By leave it archived I meant, "do nothing". The two options which leave it archive also including creating a trackable code so that one can get credit for seeing it.

I didn't look at the poll, but I agree that "rest in peace" should definitely be an explicit option. I don't think many people would vote for it, but it's important to recognize that as a possible answer.

Supposedly, the options in the ballot are based on the 9000+ responses received during the initial request for input from cachers. I guess the 'leave it archived' option wasn't as popular as the 4 options that are currently on the ballot.

 

This does make me wonder what ever happened to the other 10 original Ape cache containers. The just didn't all disappear. At least a few of them were muggled by someone. If one or more of those came to light would GS treat them the same way that they're treating Tunnel of Light?

It would be interesting to find out what happened to the other containers. Maybe someone liked the swag so much that they took it home and repurposed the containers? Or maybe someone thought it was garbage and recycled it? Or maybe someone tossed it in a dumpster? Or maybe an ape discovered one and dragged it off somewhere?

 

It seems, to me, a bit presumptuous to assume that the recovery of the WA cache is being treated differently than if a similar situation occurred with one of the other archived APE caches. Best way to test that theory is for cachers to organize a search party around where an archived APE cache existed and see if they can uncover the original container with some of its original swag still intact in close proximity to its original GZ. I'd wager that if another APE cache was found under similar circumstances, then it would receive equal consideration. If an archived APE cache was found in someone's basement, then not so much.

 

Without another recovery, then the assumption that the WA cache is being treated differently because of its proximity to HQ is just conjecture.

[+mars888]

Not interested in icons at all or this cache.

But due to interest by many, & to support the interests & abilities of most.

I think it should be a properly safeguarded cache active once a year in original location and a traveling trackable artifact at other times.

It seems to be highly regarded by many others besides the Lackey department.

[+The A-Team]

I think it should be a properly safeguarded cache active once a year in original location and a traveling trackable artifact at other times.

One big question about the traveling options that I haven't seen explained is how it would travel and with whom?

 

The model used by the O.C.B. is controversial to say the least and really isn't viable. The entire country of Canada has boycotted having it at any Mega events due to the policies and red-tape surrounding it.

 

Is the idea that Lackeys would cart the APE cache around the world? They already seem to be tight for cash, so I don't think they can afford that.

 

Would it act like a trackable and be passed from cacher to cacher? Not enough control. It would be too easy for something to go wrong or for there to be a "lack of fairness" (see many of the remaining moving caches for examples).

 

So, how would it work if one of the traveling options comes out on top?

Edited February 22, 2017 by The A-Team

[+Harry Dolphin]

It seems, to me, a bit presumptuous to assume that the recovery of the WA cache is being treated differently than if a similar situation occurred with one of the other archived APE caches. Best way to test that theory is for cachers to organize a search party around where an archived APE cache existed and see if they can uncover the original container with some of its original swag still intact in close proximity to its original GZ. I'd wager that if another APE cache was found under similar circumstances, then it would receive equal consideration. If an archived APE cache was found in someone's basement, then not so much.

 

Without another recovery, then the assumption that the WA cache is being treated differently because of its proximity to HQ is just conjecture.

 

Good! Go looking for Special Mission: PLANET OF THE APES Premiere!

It seems to have lasted almost a week in Central Park in NYC. But it did have two tickets for The Planet of the Apes premiere.

I found Crab Creek. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. You're not going to find that anywhere in the neighborhood.

[+lamoracke]

Personally I would like it either brought back where it was or just during that one weekend or a single day during Ape event. Hope those two do not siphon votes off each other as much to make a travel bug option win like a 35-30-30 kind of thing where 60% of the folks want the cache back some how but had to choose. I think many folks who chose either the 1 day would be happy with it back in general vs keep it as a trackable. My vote anyway. Hope to see it out there again. Was fun to be part of the team that found it while looking for it.

Edited February 22, 2017 by lamoracke

[Rock Chalk]

I didn't look at the poll, but I agree that "rest in peace" should definitely be an explicit option. I don't think many people would vote for it, but it's important to recognize that as a possible answer.

 

The reason we did not include that as an option is because virtually no one suggested it in response to the November survey. The goal of that survey was to gauge reaction to the ideas we had come up with internally, as well as to see if there was a groundswell for other ideas. And then present viable options for the final vote. Responses akin to “do nothing” were received - but not at a level that merited including it as an option for the final vote.

 

I would have voted to just leave it archived as it presently is, but it's special to the Lackey's at HQ so we just have to play along, or not.

 

It's important to the 9,000 or so people who responded to the first survey, and to the 6,000 or so who have voted between yesterday and today. If it's not special to you, that's cool. But suggesting that this process is happening only because it matters to some people at HQ is not accurate.

 

This does make me wonder what ever happened to the other 10 original Ape cache containers. The just didn't all disappear. At least a few of them were muggled by someone. If one or more of those came to light would GS treat them the same way that they're treating Tunnel of Light?

 

Yes.

[+Manville Possum]

 

I would have voted to just leave it archived as it presently is, but it's special to the Lackey's at HQ so we just have to play along, or not.

 

It's important to the 9,000 or so people who responded to the first survey, and to the 6,000 or so who have voted between yesterday and today. If it's not special to you, that's cool. But suggesting that this process is happening only because it matters to some people at HQ is not accurate.

 

 

It would be more important to me if I ever thought I may have a chance of seeing it, and I'm one of those 6,000 that took my time to vote yesterday.

 

I am quite sure that I was one of the few that suggested to leave it archived back in the first poll, but I thought then it would never be an option to just leave it be.

 

I'm glad to see such high numbers of members voting on bringing it back. I know that 9,000 seems really low compared to how many members there are world wide, but a very low number visit the forums or the blog, so 9,000 sounds like a lot to me.

[+dprovan]

I didn't look at the poll, but I agree that "rest in peace" should definitely be an explicit option. I don't think many people would vote for it, but it's important to recognize that as a possible answer.

The reason we did not include that as an option is because virtually no one suggested it in response to the November survey.

Was this one of the options in the original survey? I don't remember.

 

Anyway, as I said, I think it should have been on the list because of how important that option is to recognize, not because I think it's popular. I think the choices should start with the two ends of the spectrum -- do nothing and restore it to its previous status -- to give scale for the other in between options.

 

But GS decided otherwise. No big deal.

[+redsox_mark]

 

Is the idea that Lackeys would cart the APE cache around the world? They already seem to be tight for cash, so I don't think they can afford that.

 

 

That is what I thought that option meant. Lackeys already attend selected events around the world, so it would just be a matter of extra luggage.

[+NYPaddleCacher]

I didn't look at the poll, but I agree that "rest in peace" should definitely be an explicit option. I don't think many people would vote for it, but it's important to recognize that as a possible answer.

 

The reason we did not include that as an option is because virtually no one suggested it in response to the November survey. The goal of that survey was to gauge reaction to the ideas we had come up with internally, as well as to see if there was a groundswell for other ideas. And then present viable options for the final vote. Responses akin to "do nothing" were received - but not at a level that merited including it as an option for the final vote.

 

I would have voted to just leave it archived as it presently is, but it's special to the Lackey's at HQ so we just have to play along, or not.

 

It's important to the 9,000 or so people who responded to the first survey, and to the 6,000 or so who have voted between yesterday and today. If it's not special to you, that's cool. But suggesting that this process is happening only because it matters to some people at HQ is not accurate.

 

This does make me wonder what ever happened to the other 10 original Ape cache containers. The just didn't all disappear. At least a few of them were muggled by someone. If one or more of those came to light would GS treat them the same way that they're treating Tunnel of Light?

 

Yes.

 

Thanks. That's good to know. I retract my speculation that it was given special treatment.

 

Can you show some early poll results that shows the answer to "What country do you live in?" It would seem to me that those that had a greater opportunity to see the container if it was rehidden or kept at HQ (because the live within a reasonable distance) would likely vote for one of those options, while people in other countries might want to see it travel or might even vote against having it travel because that would be the costliest option and money spent by GQ for which they'll receive no benefit.

 

I would have preferred to see "How far are you from Groundspeak HQ?" Those living in Vancouver, Canada could take a short day trip to see it but those living in the United States, but on the east coast would have to travel over 2000 miles to see it. Although I travel quite a bit (I'm in Washington DC now) I don't travel specifically to go geocaching. I've been to GS HQ but only because I had a meeting there at a well know philanthropic organization located in Seattle. What happens with the APE cache container is pretty much moot point because I will likely never see it. The number of geocachers that live in Washington or the west coast is substantial and they're more likely going to vote for an option which allows them the opportunity to find it or discover the travel tag on it if it's kept at HQ.

 

 

[+KBLAST]

I made a special trip to Washington state for my brother's wedding in Spokane (I live in Ohio). While in Washington it was important to visit Groundspeak HQ and the APE cache, so I woke at 3am to head to Snoqualmie (This was when the tunnel was closed). I accidentally took the wrong trail and ended up climbing the mountain and crossing a sea of downed tall timbers to try to get to the APE cache. I made it to the Rocket cache and realized I would be late to my HQ appointment. I felt bad so I went back to my car and headed to Seattle. I figured I'd be able to get the APE cache another time. Well, I found out being late wasn't that big of a deal and I could have continued on to the APE cache. A few months later it was archived.

 

I am not a lackey, but I'm one of the ones who has wanted to have the chance to redeem that near miss a few years ago. And yes, I'd travel again in a heartbeat - and my wife would let me go if for no other reason than to get me to stop looking at prices for my passport and plane tickets to Brazil.

[+bflentje]

I made a special trip to Washington state for my brother's wedding in Spokane (I live in Ohio). While in Washington it was important to visit Groundspeak HQ and the APE cache, so I woke at 3am to head to Snoqualmie (This was when the tunnel was closed). I accidentally took the wrong trail and ended up climbing the mountain and crossing a sea of downed tall timbers to try to get to the APE cache. I made it to the Rocket cache and realized I would be late to my HQ appointment. I felt bad so I went back to my car and headed to Seattle. I figured I'd be able to get the APE cache another time. Well, I found out being late wasn't that big of a deal and I could have continued on to the APE cache. A few months later it was archived.

 

I am not a lackey, but I'm one of the ones who has wanted to have the chance to redeem that near miss a few years ago. And yes, I'd travel again in a heartbeat - and my wife would let me go if for no other reason than to get me to stop looking at prices for my passport and plane tickets to Brazil.

 

This.

 

I had a trip planned back in the day to complete all of the caches that make up the Geocaching Mecca. The APE cache was archived two months prior to my departure, which I'd spent 9 months planning. I felt cheated.. :-( I've been back to the area now three times since to attend the mega just to try and get it out of my system.

[+mars888]

RE. The A-Team:"One big question about the traveling options that I haven't seen explained is how it would travel and with whom?"

Good question, suggest a good way would be to have members request an event & select a well known, experienced, trusted cacher(s) to volunteer to receive cache via tracked shipping and escort same to local events. If GS. is short on support for travel, event requesters, could pass a hat. I agree that there is a lot of interest in this cache, & trackable.

[KentandRose]

Return and Reactivate. Spread the joy!!!

[+Manville Possum]

Good question, suggest a good way would be to have members request an event & select a well known, experienced, trusted cacher(s) to volunteer to receive cache via tracked shipping and escort same to local events. If GS. is short on support for travel, event requesters, could pass a hat. I agree that there is a lot of interest in this cache, & trackable.

 

It sure is part of geocaching history, like the original can of beans trackable. Maybe they could do a US tour of MEGA events?

[+hzoi]

One big question about the traveling options that I haven't seen explained is how it would travel and with whom?

If Groundspeak pays for it, I volunteer.

[+mars888]

[quote name='Manville Possum' timestamp='1487816001'

Yeah! that's the ticket!

[+humboldt flier]

Good question, suggest a good way would be to have members request an event & select a well known, experienced, trusted cacher(s) to volunteer to receive cache via tracked shipping and escort same to local events. If GS. is short on support for travel, event requesters, could pass a hat. I agree that there is a lot of interest in this cache, & trackable.

 

It sure is part of geocaching history, like the original can of beans trackable. Maybe they could do a US tour of MEGA events?

 

I rather like the traveling artifact concept. BUTTTTTT I am one of those old goats that think the remaining 2000 caches should receive special treatment and adoption as they are part of the "Geo-Heritage"

[+noncentric]

It would seem to me that those that had a greater opportunity to see the container if it was rehidden or kept at HQ (because the live within a reasonable distance) would likely vote for one of those options, while people in other countries might want to see it travel or might even vote against having it travel because that would be the costliest option and money spent by GQ for which they'll receive no benefit.

 

I would have preferred to see "How far are you from Groundspeak HQ?" Those living in Vancouver, Canada could take a short day trip to see it but those living in the United States, but on the east coast would have to travel over 2000 miles to see it. Although I travel quite a bit (I'm in Washington DC now) I don't travel specifically to go geocaching. I've been to GS HQ but only because I had a meeting there at a well know philanthropic organization located in Seattle. What happens with the APE cache container is pretty much moot point because I will likely never see it. The number of geocachers that live in Washington or the west coast is substantial and they're more likely going to vote for an option which allows them the opportunity to find it or discover the travel tag on it if it's kept at HQ.

I'm not sure that proximity to Seattle is the only thing to consider. I would contend that a big draw for the "Return/Reactivate" or "Activate once a year" options is the ability for cachers to get the special cache icon. With the "Traveling artifact" option, the cache would only be loggable as a trackable and some cachers outside North America might prefer the option of traveling to Seattle and getting a rare cache icon VS staying in their home country and getting a rare trackable icon.

 

I'd also contend that some cachers outside North America might also prefer to travel to Seattle rather than to Brazil. The US and Brazil don't necessarily have the same countries on their visa waiver list. For example, citizens of Australia/Austria/France/Finland/Germany/Japan/Spain/Sweden (among others) can travel to the US without a visa - according to today's Visa Waiver Program. These citizens would have to get a visa to visit Brazil, and have additional proof docs for Spanish citizens. While visa requirements may not be a huge hurdle, it may be a deterrent and make a trip to Seattle more attractive than a trip to Brazil. My point being, it's not just North American cachers that might appreciate having an APE cache available in Seattle. And those cachers that have a goal to visit HQ can combine an APE cache into those travel plans.

[+Manville Possum]

Good question, suggest a good way would be to have members request an event & select a well known, experienced, trusted cacher(s) to volunteer to receive cache via tracked shipping and escort same to local events. If GS. is short on support for travel, event requesters, could pass a hat. I agree that there is a lot of interest in this cache, & trackable.

 

It sure is part of geocaching history, like the original can of beans trackable. Maybe they could do a US tour of MEGA events?

 

I rather like the traveling artifact concept. BUTTTTTT I am one of those old goats that think the remaining 2000 caches should receive special treatment and adoption as they are part of the "Geo-Heritage"

 

Sometimes I forget this is a World Wide hobbie. As for old caches, the first 2000 were likely published on the West Coast, I don't know. I do know that each State here in the US has an oldest cache. I think the Washington APE cache is more liked on the West Cost. I don't see the oldest cache in West Virginia being as much interest there as it is here. And it ain't. But, it's geocaching history just the same. It only matters to who it's important to.

[+KBLAST]

Good question, suggest a good way would be to have members request an event & select a well known, experienced, trusted cacher(s) to volunteer to receive cache via tracked shipping and escort same to local events. If GS. is short on support for travel, event requesters, could pass a hat. I agree that there is a lot of interest in this cache, & trackable.

 

It sure is part of geocaching history, like the original can of beans trackable. Maybe they could do a US tour of MEGA events?

 

I rather like the traveling artifact concept. BUTTTTTT I am one of those old goats that think the remaining 2000 caches should receive special treatment and adoption as they are part of the "Geo-Heritage"

 

Sometimes I forget this is a World Wide hobbie. As for old caches, the first 2000 were likely published on the West Coast, I don't know. I do know that each State here in the US has an oldest cache. I think the Washington APE cache is more liked on the West Cost. I don't see the oldest cache in West Virginia being as much interest there as it is here. And it ain't. But, it's geocaching history just the same. It only matters to who it's important to.

Year 2000 caches

Oldest caches for each state

[+PlantAKiss]

I'm sentimental so I want it kept safe for historical purposes. I'm afraid if put back in place it would get stolen again. It's such a rare cache and a great story of recovery.

 

I'm also unemployed and available if GS needs a proofreader. "Czech Rebuplic". :-D :-D :-D