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This is my cache http://coord.info/GC16CYC

 

You will note the person who logged a find on the 1st of January has two logs, yet when I go to their profile it only shows on the list of found geocaches once.

This is the third time I have seen this happen recently (each time on a different cache). With the other two the wording was exactly the same for both logs. I want to delete one of the logs but am concerned it is a glitch and both will disappear.

 

See 26th December on this one http://coord.info/GC17F6X and on this one too http://coord.info/GC1J2RT

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You will note the person who logged a find on the 1st of January has two logs, yet when I go to their profile it only shows on the list of found geocaches once.

 

I think that's normal if both finds are on the same day, I would delete one of the duplicate logs, then send them a message via their profile (if you can) telling them what you did and why. Probably down to inadvertantly double logging with the app.

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New cacher.

Probably logging with a phone app.

 

Either.

As above, delete one of the logs. (Their Found count WILL go down by one cache*)

You could send an email and explain you've delete a duplicate log.

 

Contact them and explain that they have 'Double logged' and ask them to Edit/delete the extra log.

 

Easiest is just delete the log yourself.

Those logging by phone app often double log as they don't realize the app HAS logged so they re-send and get a second log... As they rarely visit the site via the web, they have NO IDEA, as they don't read the cache page. :blink:

 

 

*Doing it early will be doing them a favour, as IF they get interested, it saves them having to find the duplicate logs later, should they get in to their stats...

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This is my cache http://coord.info/GC16CYC

 

You will note the person who logged a find on the 1st of January has two logs, yet when I go to their profile it only shows on the list of found geocaches once.

This is the third time I have seen this happen recently (each time on a different cache). With the other two the wording was exactly the same for both logs. I want to delete one of the logs but am concerned it is a glitch and both will disappear.

 

See 26th December on this one http://coord.info/GC17F6X and on this one too http://coord.info/GC1J2RT

 

This is a rather common occurrence. As already mentioned, most likely people logging by phone in the field.

 

On the caches you own, you can delete the extra logs. You can attempt to contact the person, to explain why their log(s) were deleted.

 

They will get an email telling them that their log(s) were deleted, but whether they pay any attention is questionable.

 

 

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I email the cacher telling them they double logged my cache and ask them if they would like to delete it or would they like me to delete it. I then move on as it's no skin off my back if they do or don't delete or don't have me delete the multiple log.

 

The times I have done this usually the cacher deletes their own log.

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New cacher.

Probably logging with a phone app.

 

Either.

As above, delete one of the logs. (Their Found count WILL go down by one cache*)

You could send an email and explain you've delete a duplicate log.

 

Contact them and explain that they have 'Double logged' and ask them to Edit/delete the extra log.

 

Easiest is just delete the log yourself.

Those logging by phone app often double log as they don't realize the app HAS logged so they re-send and get a second log... As they rarely visit the site via the web, they have NO IDEA, as they don't read the cache page. :blink:

 

 

*Doing it early will be doing them a favour, as IF they get interested, it saves them having to find the duplicate logs later, should they get in to their stats...

 

The first and third double logs linked to by the OP are clueless phone newbies. And how predictable the first one is a double Tftc log. :ph34r: The second one is very, very strange. It's from an established cacher with a couple thousand finds, and is a long unique log for the cache. Could they have been using GSAK or something to log?

 

By the way, it's not just double logs, I've seen three, four, or even five duplicate logs on a cache. I myself rarely get duplicate logs; I'll bet only about 5 times ever. Every time I have, it's been from the clueless faction amongst us. I go ahead and delete them, but I *DO* send an email. So far, 0% of the deletees have answered me back. :unsure:

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I've been an owner for a longggg time and have rarely gotten double logs on any of our caches,,, until recently. Still not a whole lot coming through but there are definitely more these days. I'm guessing it's phone cachers.

 

Myself, i just delete the duplicate and go onto other things. If the phonacher notices it, and if they even care, they'll look into things and find that their find log is still in place.

 

Also this:

 

*Doing it early will be doing them a favour, as IF they get interested, it saves them having to find the duplicate logs later, should they get in to their stats...
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Just got one yesterday.

Profile shows an unvalidated member with "never" as the last visit to the site.

Each was logged with a different message, so no claims of phone error there...

I deleted the oddest one. Figured with no email, they'd never notice.

If they did, they'd see their find on the page and realize it was no big deal.

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I do nothing. It doesn't bother me.

 

I guess it doesn't bother me Swiney, and I have been known to make snide remarks about clueless phone newbies AKA "muggles with apps" infiltrating the game. :lol: But I agree with some of the other posts, the very small number of these people that go on to become regular Geocachers will appreciate it, in the long run.

 

I will say, even though in most cases they will never visit the website, and will never notice, I have sent the email every time. And no, I haven't come across one of the "not validated" ones yet. I've seen them out there, but not on any of my caches.

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I do nothing. It doesn't bother me.

 

I guess it doesn't bother me Swiney, and I have been known to make snide remarks about clueless phone newbies AKA "muggles with apps" infiltrating the game. :lol: But I agree with some of the other posts, the very small number of these people that go on to become regular Geocachers will appreciate it, in the long run.

 

I will say, even though in most cases they will never visit the website, and will never notice, I have sent the email every time. And no, I haven't come across one of the "not validated" ones yet. I've seen them out there, but not on any of my caches.

 

Doesn't bother me either but as an owner who agrees to maintain my caches per gc.com guidelines, i feel i should delete duplicate logs.

 

Owner is responsible for geocache listing maintenance.

 

As the owner of your cache listing, your responsibility includes quality control of all posts to the cache listing. Delete any logs that appear to be bogus, counterfeit, off-topic or otherwise inappropriate.

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It has come up again on someone else's cache that I am watching. The logger has over 2,700 finds so not a newbie thing.

Did not log it from a computer as shows last time he logged in as 26th December and this cache was logged in the last hour.

 

I will go delete the duplicates (on my caches).

My concern is the person logging is doing nothing wrong and their phone/device for some reason is sending the information twice.

 

Thanks for your replies.

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My concern is the person logging is doing nothing wrong and their phone/device for some reason is sending the information twice.
Yeah, it's a common problem. The original message is received by the server, but the confirmation message fails. Since the confirmation message isn't received, the original message is resent. The same basic problem causes plenty of double-posts on this forum.
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It has come up again on someone else's cache that I am watching. The logger has over 2,700 finds so not a newbie thing.

Did not log it from a computer as shows last time he logged in as 26th December and this cache was logged in the last hour.

 

I will go delete the duplicates (on my caches).

My concern is the person logging is doing nothing wrong and their phone/device for some reason is sending the information twice.

 

Thanks for your replies.

 

Well, you're in New Zealand. Here in the U.S., the country with by far the most caches, the vast majority of double, triple, and quadruple duplicate logs come from "smartphone newbies". :lol:

 

You have to admit, the so-called experienced cacher with 2,700+ finds logged from a phone. We old-timers never saw duplicate, triplicate or quadruple logs before the smartphone apps came out. They (Geocaching.com) should indeed look into this, and see if there is something they can do. Because let me tell you, no one was posting duplicate logs in like 2005, when everyone went home to log their finds on a computer.

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My concern is the person logging is doing nothing wrong and their phone/device for some reason is sending the information twice.
Yeah, it's a common problem. The original message is received by the server, but the confirmation message fails. Since the confirmation message isn't received, the original message is resent. The same basic problem causes plenty of double-posts on this forum.

 

Eh, yes, there are double posts to this forum, and it's happened to me plenty of times. But I think I was guilty of hitting "add reply" again every time. Never did I just let the computer sit there and and walk away and not touch anything, and found I was guilty of a double post.

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Seems to be more prevalent with people using their phones as GPS. The same with the length of logs shortening to one sentence or less which provides no clues for others to follow.

 

Delete the duplicates. If they ask why tell them. It throws off their numbers and the caches.

 

You are providing good maintenance for your caches when you do.

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My concern is the person logging is doing nothing wrong and their phone/device for some reason is sending the information twice.
Yeah, it's a common problem. The original message is received by the server, but the confirmation message fails. Since the confirmation message isn't received, the original message is resent. The same basic problem causes plenty of double-posts on this forum.
Eh, yes, there are double posts to this forum, and it's happened to me plenty of times. But I think I was guilty of hitting "add reply" again every time. Never did I just let the computer sit there and and walk away and not touch anything, and found I was guilty of a double post.
Well, yes, there's a difference between an automated system retrying a request and a person retrying a request. And there's a difference between a confirmation message that never arrives and one that is misunderstood. But ultimately, it's the same basic problem, with requests being resubmitted because the original request wasn't confirmed successfully.
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It happened to us a couple of times when we were new and it still happens to us sometimes. Now I think it happens because I will submit the log and it says it didn't go threw so I re-send it. Sometimes I will change the log so that might be why some are different. Later I realize the first one did go threw.

It would be helpful if the CO wanted to delete them because our memorable finds for 100, 500 were off due to this.

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If I double-logged, I would appreciate an email from the CO alerting me to the fact and giving me the option of deleting one of the logs myself. I wouldn't be upset if they deleted one of the duplicate logs if they also sent me an email.

 

And if I got a notification about a found log being deleted but no email from the CO, I'd be rushing to the website to check the cache listing, at which point I would discover that I still had a find logged and therefore deduce that I had somehow double-logged.

 

In other words, no big deal either way.

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I one time notice multiple logs going to caches from my iphone because I would try to log out of cell phone range and everytime I got into range it would log it again. That and because I like to write proper logs (more the a TFTC)is why I don't like logging on my phone. When I do log on the phone is if it's a FTF or one not on my gps.

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New cacher.

Probably logging with a phone app.

 

Not necessarily.

 

I've got double logs before I've started using GSAK and finds txt file from Garmin.

 

Because web interface of Groundspeak has terrible lags, it happened, that I've clicked 2nd cache, and the dialog for the 1st has appeared.

 

Not to mention terrible lags in logging itself. The action hangs or shows error, when repeated you got double log :anibad:

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I just came across this thread while trying to figure out why i'm getting a lot of double logs (me logging).

Yes I am a newbie, and yes I'm using a cell phone.

I've noticed that this just started occurring in the past 4 or 5 weeks. I'm not heavy fingered and certainly don't push buttons multiple times.

I don't think it's a cell service issue. I get dup's rather I'm in town (Portland, OR) or on a trail 10 miles in the mountains.

What I have noticed is that more often than not, recently, as soon as I log a cache, my app (iOs) will shut down and I have to reopen(I don't relog though)to go onto the next cache . I think this is what is causing my double loggings.

I don't have the latest and greatest iOs and maybe if I download that, it will solve the issue.

I want my count to be true and accurate and I don't know that I have duplicates unless I log on the website...which I do maybe every couple weeks.

I have NO issue with a CO deleting a double log.

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I just came across this thread while trying to figure out why i'm getting a lot of double logs (me logging).

Yes I am a newbie, and yes I'm using a cell phone.

I've noticed that this just started occurring in the past 4 or 5 weeks. I'm not heavy fingered and certainly don't push buttons multiple times.

I don't think it's a cell service issue. I get dup's rather I'm in town (Portland, OR) or on a trail 10 miles in the mountains.

What I have noticed is that more often than not, recently, as soon as I log a cache, my app (iOs) will shut down and I have to reopen(I don't relog though)to go onto the next cache . I think this is what is causing my double loggings.

I don't have the latest and greatest iOs and maybe if I download that, it will solve the issue.

I want my count to be true and accurate and I don't know that I have duplicates unless I log on the website...which I do maybe every couple weeks.

I have NO issue with a CO deleting a double log.

 

An easy way to find duplicate logs: http://project-gc.com/Profile/FindBadLogs

 

I just started placing caches. I'm not sure what I'd do if someone double logged and didn't respond after I let them know. If read enough of these forums to know people get really bent out of shape if you delete logs even with good reason.

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I just found the system for identifying duplicate logs and was amazed at how many had been logged on my caches without me noticing. Some were done within minutes of each other, so I should have noticed getting two notifications; but others were months.. one was years.. apart. Lots of Travel Bug entries were done via a separate found it log. Others were second visits. I just deleted about 40 logs. Got one email so far... he was OK once I explained that comments on a second visit should recorded as a note. I'm sure I'll get more feedback.

 

One thing I noticed was that after deleting the extra logs the "find bad logs" program still reports them so any new ones that occur will be buried among the ones that i've already deleted. Doesn't seem like the best way to set it up to me.

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