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Been toying with the idea of doing a multi where the final is in a different city (within an hour or so of myself so I could still do maintenance if needed), requiring a road trip of sorts. I'm just worried this might cheese some people off. Has this been done before? Would you be mad if you attempted before reading the description? Any input would be lovely.

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Been toying with the idea of doing a multi where the final is in a different city (within an hour or so of myself so I could still do maintenance if needed), requiring a road trip of sorts. I'm just worried this might cheese some people off. Has this been done before? Would you be mad if you attempted before reading the description? Any input would be lovely.

 

Yes, it's been done before.

 

As a rule of thumb, the more effort involved for a single smiley, the fewer people will find it.

 

Anybody who attempts a multi without first reading through the cache page to get an idea of what's expected and then gets mad at anybody but themselves needs to adopt a better strategy.

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Been toying with the idea of doing a multi where the final is in a different city (within an hour or so of myself so I could still do maintenance if needed), requiring a road trip of sorts. I'm just worried this might cheese some people off. Has this been done before? Would you be mad if you attempted before reading the description? Any input would be lovely.

I've heard of a cache that is at two opposing points on the Earth! Distant Multis exist, including some that require persons to cooperate in different countries.

 

Will you have some info in the cache listing that the Final may require travel? If not, although people may not be mad, they may also never finish the cache. I have a list of several where the Final is a long way off, or a difficult trip through gridlocked traffic to the other side of the city. I would have preferred to be forewarned. As it stands, it may be years before I have the time or gumption to go find the Final.

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I've heard of a cache that is at two opposing points on the Earth! Distant Multis exist, including some that require persons to cooperate in different countries.

 

Will you have some info in the cache listing that the Final may require travel? If not, although people may not be mad, they may also never finish the cache. I have a list of several where the Final is a long way off, or a difficult trip through gridlocked traffic to the other side of the city. I would have preferred to be forewarned. As it stands, it may be years before I have the time or gumption to go find the Final.

Yes my plan was to include a big ol' warning so if you actually read the description, you'll know before going in. Thanks for the feedback, maybe I will go ahead with this.

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I'd think if you just made note in the cache description, it'd allow others to decide if they're okay with it. :)

 

We pick what caches we'll do, so reading the cache page before attempting is a requirement for us.

I'd walk miles on multis, but wouldn't care to have to keep going back to the car, driving to other stages.

I'd appreciate that notice on the cache page so I could skip it. ;)

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What sort of discouragement? I've only heard about maintenance concerns which would be a valid issue. If I were to attempt a multi with a distant final location I would expect to see a clever container at an awesome spot. I wouldn't want to drive an hour to find a film can hanging from a tree branch. Make it worth the effort and those who find it will enjoy the experience and appreciate your work.

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What sort of discouragement? I've only heard about maintenance concerns which would be a valid issue. If I were to attempt a multi with a distant final location I would expect to see a clever container at an awesome spot. I wouldn't want to drive an hour to find a film can hanging from a tree branch. Make it worth the effort and those who find it will enjoy the experience and appreciate your work.

 

As I said, check with a reviewer.

 

There was (maybe still is?) a multi which spanned states in the west. I recall someone asking if that was still possible and I recall hearing something along the lines of keeping it within a few miles of the start. This is hear-say, check with the experts.

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Yes my plan was to include a big ol' warning so if you actually read the description, you'll know before going in. Thanks for the feedback, maybe I will go ahead with this.

In my opinion, the warning is the important thing. As long as you tell me how far to expect to travel, I can decide for myself whether to start it. And if I didn't read the description in advance, it's on me that I didn't know.

 

If the first stage involves deriving coordinates, it's also important to have a checksum. There's not much I would hate more than driving an hour in the wrong direction because I messed up a digit.

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What sort of discouragement? I've only heard about maintenance concerns which would be a valid issue. If I were to attempt a multi with a distant final location I would expect to see a clever container at an awesome spot. I wouldn't want to drive an hour to find a film can hanging from a tree branch. Make it worth the effort and those who find it will enjoy the experience and appreciate your work.

 

As I said, check with a reviewer.

 

There was (maybe still is?) a multi which spanned states in the west. I recall someone asking if that was still possible and I recall hearing something along the lines of keeping it within a few miles of the start. This is hear-say, check with the experts.

I have a multi (GC6JMDK) which technically spans two cities although they're only separated by a river. It involves a 17.5km train trip from the starting point to the first waypoint (or 36km drive if you really want to go by road), then back one station (8km) to the next waypoint (this one's only accessible by rail) and a rugged T4 hike from there up to the final. GZ is a pretty spectacular spot, though, and the cache has received plenty of FPs. It's certainly much more than "a few miles" from the start but the reviewer didn't have any concerns with it.

 

Edit to note this was published in June last year so perhaps something's changed since then.

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If I were to attempt a multi with a distant final location I would expect to see a clever container at an awesome spot. I wouldn't want to drive an hour to find a film can hanging from a tree branch. Make it worth the effort and those who find it will enjoy the experience and appreciate your work.

^This

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...recall hearing something along the lines of keeping it within a few miles of the start.

 

Was bought in for Mystery caches, and trying to keep mileages for TBs 'reasonably' close to the actual mileage they travelled.

Does it count for multis? Dunno. :unsure:

 

Maintenance issues can be kept to a minimum, by having the final near to home, and making the other stages 'Virtual' so there are no containers to go missing..

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...recall hearing something along the lines of keeping it within a few miles of the start.

 

Was bought in for Mystery caches, and trying to keep mileages for TBs 'reasonably' close to the actual mileage they travelled.

Does it count for multis? Dunno. :unsure:

 

Maintenance issues can be kept to a minimum, by having the final near to home, and making the other stages 'Virtual' so there are no containers to go missing..

As far as I know, this restriction only applies to mysteries, and only between the listed coordinates and final - intermediate waypoints can be anywhere.

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...recall hearing something along the lines of keeping it within a few miles of the start.

 

Was bought in for Mystery caches, and trying to keep mileages for TBs 'reasonably' close to the actual mileage they travelled.

Does it count for multis? Dunno. :unsure:

 

Maintenance issues can be kept to a minimum, by having the final near to home, and making the other stages 'Virtual' so there are no containers to go missing..

As far as I know, this restriction only applies to mysteries, and only between the listed coordinates and final - intermediate waypoints can be anywhere.

 

My reviewer says it applies to Wherigos and suggest that a Wherigo I want to build that spans 40 miles won't be published. Any other reviewers weigh in on that? True for the Wherigo too?

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My reviewer says it applies to Wherigos and suggest that a Wherigo I want to build that spans 40 miles won't be published. Any other reviewers weigh in on that? True for the Wherigo too?
Hmm... I suppose you could publish it within 2 miles of the final, with a waypoint for the starting location 40 miles away.

 

But I think it makes more sense for the published coordinates to be the starting location for something like this.

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Here's mine https://coord.info/GC5G49W - I put it out at a time when I was a frequent user of the Eurostar train between Paris and London and found myself at Gare du Nord and St Pancras stations gazing at plaques etc. I got several irate messages from completist Parisian cachers as it was the only cache some of them had not done in the city - saying I'd broken the rules. Which I hadn't. I've had a few dodgy finds using teamwork and signing the log on behalf of others, but avoided conflict and let them go. You'll see from the FPs that despite the final hide being fairly boring, the hunt gives people a lot of fun. I'm sure there are great possibilities for multis using either end of ferry trips (New York? San Francisco?) too, depending on how your reviewer feels about commercialism ie encouraging people to use the ferry (previous poster on here with a cache using trains was OK!)

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Here's mine https://coord.info/GC5G49W - I put it out at a time when I was a frequent user of the Eurostar train between Paris and London and found myself at Gare du Nord and St Pancras stations gazing at plaques etc. I got several irate messages from completist Parisian cachers as it was the only cache some of them had not done in the city - saying I'd broken the rules. Which I hadn't. I've had a few dodgy finds using teamwork and signing the log on behalf of others, but avoided conflict and let them go. You'll see from the FPs that despite the final hide being fairly boring, the hunt gives people a lot of fun. I'm sure there are great possibilities for multis using either end of ferry trips (New York? San Francisco?) too, depending on how your reviewer feels about commercialism ie encouraging people to use the ferry (previous poster on here with a cache using trains was OK!)

 

It appears problematic, the last find was a "technical" Found it? I don't believe my reviewer would allow me to temp disable a listing for 5 months either, but as a cache seeker I would not attempt such a multi that ends up with a film pot. :(

 

Just my opinion as a geocacher. B)

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Here's mine https://coord.info/GC5G49W - I put it out at a time when I was a frequent user of the Eurostar train between Paris and London and found myself at Gare du Nord and St Pancras stations gazing at plaques etc. I got several irate messages from completist Parisian cachers as it was the only cache some of them had not done in the city - saying I'd broken the rules. Which I hadn't. I've had a few dodgy finds using teamwork and signing the log on behalf of others, but avoided conflict and let them go. You'll see from the FPs that despite the final hide being fairly boring, the hunt gives people a lot of fun. I'm sure there are great possibilities for multis using either end of ferry trips (New York? San Francisco?) too, depending on how your reviewer feels about commercialism ie encouraging people to use the ferry (previous poster on here with a cache using trains was OK!)

 

It appears problematic, the last find was a "technical" Found it? I don't believe my reviewer would allow me to temp disable a listing for 5 months either, but as a cache seeker I would not attempt such a multi that ends up with a film pot. :(

 

I don't know your reviewer but I think most would allow a listing to disabled for 5 months as long as the reviewer was kept aware of the situation. 5 months is not very long for a major construction project. There was a cache my area that was disabled every winter when the trail it was on closed for the season. It typically would remain disabled for 4-5 months. The cache was placed in 2001 and was finally archived in 2011 (it was the oldest cache in town at the time) when the trail was closed for major maintenance for over two years.

 

 

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I don't know your reviewer but I think most would allow a listing to disabled for 5 months as long as the reviewer was kept aware of the situation. 5 months is not very long for a major construction project. There was a cache my area that was disabled every winter when the trail it was on closed for the season. It typically would remain disabled for 4-5 months. The cache was placed in 2001 and was finally archived in 2011 (it was the oldest cache in town at the time) when the trail was closed for major maintenance for over two years.

 

I'm just going from past experience, a local reviewer archived one of my listings after a winter storm closed down the highway for a few months.

I was only planning on it being down for two months, and I feel it was my mistake for even disabling it, and let people hike the 5 miles through downed trees. :laughing:

 

As a cache owner, multis are not very popular in my area. I ignore them as well. :)

 

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looking back, at my listing, I still don't agree with the reviewers action. :blink:

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Anybody who attempts a multi without first reading through the cache page to get an idea of what's expected and then gets mad at anybody but themselves needs to adopt a better strategy.

 

Agree.

 

Therefore as long as the cache page gives some indication of what's involved then no problem.

 

And I would suggest to make it really clear!

 

A long distance multi which confused me is Garden To Garden (State). I didn't get mad. Reading the cache page now the information was there, but I missed it. It was my first time in Australia. I didn't know Victoria was the Garden State, and didn't understand the cache name. The first statement in the description is "The ideal cache to break the monotony of an interstate road trip.". To which I just thought, this park is a nice place to take a break. The other thing that gives it away is Waypoint 2 and beyond have different degree coordinates than waypoint 1. But I didn't notice that, I just saw a typical list of waypoints.

 

So I got the information at the published coordinates, and calculated Waypoint 2; only to find it was many miles away. Then, re-reading the page, I figured out this was a long distance multi with points between Sidney and Melbourne.

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I don't know your reviewer but I think most would allow a listing to disabled for 5 months as long as the reviewer was kept aware of the situation. 5 months is not very long for a major construction project. There was a cache my area that was disabled every winter when the trail it was on closed for the season. It typically would remain disabled for 4-5 months. The cache was placed in 2001 and was finally archived in 2011 (it was the oldest cache in town at the time) when the trail was closed for major maintenance for over two years.

 

I'm just going from past experience, a local reviewer archived one of my listings after a winter storm closed down the highway for a few months.

I was only planning on it being down for two months, and I feel it was my mistake for even disabling it, and let people hike the 5 miles through downed trees. :laughing:

 

As a cache owner, multis are not very popular in my area. I ignore them as well. :)

 

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looking back, at my listing, I still don't agree with the reviewers action. :blink:

 

Looking at the listing, I agree...

 

When a cache in my area is disabled for more than a few weeks the reviewer will post a Reviewer Note on the cache like this:

 

"I noticed that this cache has been temporarily disabled for a period of time well in excess of the period of "a few weeks" as contemplated by the cache guidelines published on Geocaching.com. While I feel that Geocaching.com should hold the location for you and block other caches from entering the area around this cache for a reasonable amount of time, we can't do so forever. Please either repair/replace this cache, or archive it ...."

 

I've seen this type of log from other reviewers and typically, if the CO follows up with an explanation for why the cache has been disable for a period in excess of the "normal" time, the reviewer won't take any action. if the CO *doesn't* respond at all, the reviewer will often archive the cache. In this particular case, the entire trail was closed (with Do Not Enter signs) due to some major ice damage. Anyone attempting to find or hide a cache along the trail would be trespassing.

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I don't know your reviewer but I think most would allow a listing to disabled for 5 months as long as the reviewer was kept aware of the situation. 5 months is not very long for a major construction project. There was a cache my area that was disabled every winter when the trail it was on closed for the season. It typically would remain disabled for 4-5 months. The cache was placed in 2001 and was finally archived in 2011 (it was the oldest cache in town at the time) when the trail was closed for major maintenance for over two years.

 

I'm just going from past experience, a local reviewer archived one of my listings after a winter storm closed down the highway for a few months.

I was only planning on it being down for two months, and I feel it was my mistake for even disabling it, and let people hike the 5 miles through downed trees. :laughing:

 

As a cache owner, multis are not very popular in my area. I ignore them as well. :)

 

Edit to add:

 

looking back, at my listing, I still don't agree with the reviewers action. :blink:

 

Looking at the listing, I agree...

 

When a cache in my area is disabled for more than a few weeks the reviewer will post a Reviewer Note on the cache like this:

 

"I noticed that this cache has been temporarily disabled for a period of time well in excess of the period of "a few weeks" as contemplated by the cache guidelines published on Geocaching.com. While I feel that Geocaching.com should hold the location for you and block other caches from entering the area around this cache for a reasonable amount of time, we can't do so forever. Please either repair/replace this cache, or archive it ...."

 

I've seen this type of log from other reviewers and typically, if the CO follows up with an explanation for why the cache has been disable for a period in excess of the "normal" time, the reviewer won't take any action. if the CO *doesn't* respond at all, the reviewer will often archive the cache. In this particular case, the entire trail was closed (with Do Not Enter signs) due to some major ice damage. Anyone attempting to find or hide a cache along the trail would be trespassing.

 

Same thing happens here. I'll never understand why many folks never respond to TD logs on their own cache, then get mad when it's archived. All ya gotta do is respond!

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Back to the subject of multi's, one of my favorite ? multi's is just outside of a construction zone at this time, but I'm not risking temp disabling it. It got muggled, and I replaced it, but some of the trail tacks are missing as it is a night cache multi. :)

 

I think the cache could still be found, but my 5/5 listings don't get many visits anyways. Another thing I have discovered, people share the final coordinates of tough multi's, and that is just cheap. :anibad:

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Back to the subject of multi's, one of my favorite ? multi's is just outside of a construction zone at this time, but I'm not risking temp disabling it. It got muggled, and I replaced it, but some of the trail tacks are missing as it is a night cache multi. :)

 

I think the cache could still be found, but my 5/5 listings don't get many visits anyways. Another thing I have discovered, people share the final coordinates of tough multi's, and that is just cheap. :anibad:

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Same thing happens here. I'll never understand why many folks never respond to TD logs on their own cache, then get mad when it's archived. All ya gotta do is respond!

 

If given the chance, I would have. :)

I always communicate with reviewers, and I don't understand why some people don't either when they are still actively geocaching.

 

Agreed. The reviewer on my cache is OK about the lengthy downtime on my cache. http://www.camdennewjournal.com/newbridge - yes I will try for something better than a film pot - but what can you do in urban locations???

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Agreed. The reviewer on my cache is OK about the lengthy downtime on my cache. http://www.camdennewjournal.com/newbridge - yes I will try for something better than a film pot - but what can you do in urban locations???

Would the wild eco-gardens vaguely close to St Pancras be interested in hosting another cache? There's already one at the far end. I can understand that you may not want the cache inside, but they might let you mount a lockable box or something next to the gate?

 

Not that I think that the fact that it's a micro is all that much of a big deal though - and I very, very rarely search for micro-caches (found 20 micros last year in total). I'd still have done this one.

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Agreed. The reviewer on my cache is OK about the lengthy downtime on my cache. http://www.camdennewjournal.com/newbridge - yes I will try for something better than a film pot - but what can you do in urban locations???

Would the wild eco-gardens vaguely close to St Pancras be interested in hosting another cache? There's already one at the far end. I can understand that you may not want the cache inside, but they might let you mount a lockable box or something next to the gate?

 

Not that I think that the fact that it's a micro is all that much of a big deal though - and I very, very rarely search for micro-caches (found 20 micros last year in total). I'd still have done this one.

 

I agree. This multi seems more about the journey. For those taking that train, this seems a bit of fun. Whilst having a large or special custom container in an amazing place is always good, I don't think it is mandatory just because of the distance.

 

If going with a fairly standard urban hide you can still improve on a film pot, e.g. one of the smallest lock and lock boxes (100 ml round), or a good quality bison container.

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I don't know your reviewer but I think most would allow a listing to disabled for 5 months as long as the reviewer was kept aware of the situation. 5 months is not very long for a major construction project. There was a cache my area that was disabled every winter when the trail it was on closed for the season. It typically would remain disabled for 4-5 months. The cache was placed in 2001 and was finally archived in 2011 (it was the oldest cache in town at the time) when the trail was closed for major maintenance for over two years.

 

I'm just going from past experience, a local reviewer archived one of my listings after a winter storm closed down the highway for a few months.

I was only planning on it being down for two months, and I feel it was my mistake for even disabling it, and let people hike the 5 miles through downed trees. :laughing:

 

As a cache owner, multis are not very popular in my area. I ignore them as well. :)

 

Edit to add:

 

looking back, at my listing, I still don't agree with the reviewers action. :blink:

 

Looking at the listing, I agree...

 

When a cache in my area is disabled for more than a few weeks the reviewer will post a Reviewer Note on the cache like this:

 

"I noticed that this cache has been temporarily disabled for a period of time well in excess of the period of "a few weeks" as contemplated by the cache guidelines published on Geocaching.com. While I feel that Geocaching.com should hold the location for you and block other caches from entering the area around this cache for a reasonable amount of time, we can't do so forever. Please either repair/replace this cache, or archive it ...."

 

I've seen this type of log from other reviewers and typically, if the CO follows up with an explanation for why the cache has been disable for a period in excess of the "normal" time, the reviewer won't take any action. if the CO *doesn't* respond at all, the reviewer will often archive the cache. In this particular case, the entire trail was closed (with Do Not Enter signs) due to some major ice damage. Anyone attempting to find or hide a cache along the trail would be trespassing.

PH's reviewer covers my area as well. These days, the reviewer in question will leave an identical note (I suspect it's a recommended, if not required, template). I can't speak to why they didn't back then.

 

On the other hand, once the road was cleared, there wouldn't be anything to stop one from re-enabling the cache and asking the reviewer to unarchive.

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Same thing happens here. I'll never understand why many folks never respond to TD logs on their own cache, then get mad when it's archived. All ya gotta do is respond!

 

If given the chance, I would have. :)

I always communicate with reviewers, and I don't understand why some people don't either when they are still actively geocaching.

 

Agreed. The reviewer on my cache is OK about the lengthy downtime on my cache. http://www.camdennewjournal.com/newbridge - yes I will try for something better than a film pot - but what can you do in urban locations???

 

I would use a bison tube. Film pots are just too throwdownish. :)

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Agreed. The reviewer on my cache is OK about the lengthy downtime on my cache. http://www.camdennewjournal.com/newbridge - yes I will try for something better than a film pot - but what can you do in urban locations???

Would the wild eco-gardens vaguely close to St Pancras be interested in hosting another cache? There's already one at the far end. I can understand that you may not want the cache inside, but they might let you mount a lockable box or something next to the gate?

 

Not that I think that the fact that it's a micro is all that much of a big deal though - and I very, very rarely search for micro-caches (found 20 micros last year in total). I'd still have done this one.

 

I agree. This multi seems more about the journey. For those taking that train, this seems a bit of fun. Whilst having a large or special custom container in an amazing place is always good, I don't think it is mandatory just because of the distance.

 

If going with a fairly standard urban hide you can still improve on a film pot, e.g. one of the smallest lock and lock boxes (100 ml round), or a good quality bison container.

 

Yeah, with a multi like this, my main concern is that the final is there for me to find at the end of the journey! I don't need it to meet all of my criteria for favourite geocache of all time.

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yes I will try for something better than a film pot - but what can you do in urban locations???
I would use a bison tube. Film pots are just too throwdownish. :)
Match holders are good too. With either Bison tubes or match holders, you may need to replace the O-ring, depending on the quality of the one that comes with the container. But both are much better than film canisters.
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I don't know your reviewer but I think most would allow a listing to disabled for 5 months as long as the reviewer was kept aware of the situation. 5 months is not very long for a major construction project. There was a cache my area that was disabled every winter when the trail it was on closed for the season. It typically would remain disabled for 4-5 months. The cache was placed in 2001 and was finally archived in 2011 (it was the oldest cache in town at the time) when the trail was closed for major maintenance for over two years.

 

I'm just going from past experience, a local reviewer archived one of my listings after a winter storm closed down the highway for a few months.

I was only planning on it being down for two months, and I feel it was my mistake for even disabling it, and let people hike the 5 miles through downed trees. :laughing:

 

As a cache owner, multis are not very popular in my area. I ignore them as well. :)

 

Edit to add:

 

looking back, at my listing, I still don't agree with the reviewers action. :blink:

 

Looking at the listing, I agree...

 

When a cache in my area is disabled for more than a few weeks the reviewer will post a Reviewer Note on the cache like this:

 

"I noticed that this cache has been temporarily disabled for a period of time well in excess of the period of "a few weeks" as contemplated by the cache guidelines published on Geocaching.com. While I feel that Geocaching.com should hold the location for you and block other caches from entering the area around this cache for a reasonable amount of time, we can't do so forever. Please either repair/replace this cache, or archive it ...."

 

I've seen this type of log from other reviewers and typically, if the CO follows up with an explanation for why the cache has been disable for a period in excess of the "normal" time, the reviewer won't take any action. if the CO *doesn't* respond at all, the reviewer will often archive the cache. In this particular case, the entire trail was closed (with Do Not Enter signs) due to some major ice damage. Anyone attempting to find or hide a cache along the trail would be trespassing.

PH's reviewer covers my area as well. These days, the reviewer in question will leave an identical note (I suspect it's a recommended, if not required, template). I can't speak to why they didn't back then.

 

On the other hand, once the road was cleared, there wouldn't be anything to stop one from re-enabling the cache and asking the reviewer to unarchive.

 

It didn't make sense to me then or now, but that forest service road is closed for winter anyway. I let another geocacher adopt two more listings I had up there on Cliff Mountain, but now geocaches camn only be placed there with a special use permit for $59 per year.

 

I hope that reviewer is more popular in your area. I have asked our other reviewer for a coordinates check to get around him in the past. :ph34r:

As much as I have enjoyed placing quality hides in the past, I'm just not so much interested in placing anymore hides. :(

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If going with a fairly standard urban hide you can still improve on a film pot, e.g. one of the smallest lock and lock boxes (100 ml round), or a good quality bison container.

 

It will still depend on one's preferences. I do not like to handle bison containers - getting the log in and out is more difficult for me than it is for film canisters.

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If going with a fairly standard urban hide you can still improve on a film pot, e.g. one of the smallest lock and lock boxes (100 ml round), or a good quality bison container.

 

It will still depend on one's preferences. I do not like to handle bison containers - getting the log in and out is more difficult for me than it is for film canisters.

 

I have plenty of diabetic test strip containers, and I find them tossed out as geocaches. I don't like to handle them. :(

A good bison tube, and if people will roll up the log and place it back in the intended space, and not just try and cram it back in the tube, those are my favorite. :)

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Agreed. The reviewer on my cache is OK about the lengthy downtime on my cache. http://www.camdennew...l.com/newbridge - yes I will try for something better than a film pot - but what can you do in urban locations???

Would the wild eco-gardens vaguely close to St Pancras be interested in hosting another cache? There's already one at the far end. I can understand that you may not want the cache inside, but they might let you mount a lockable box or something next to the gate?

 

Not that I think that the fact that it's a micro is all that much of a big deal though - and I very, very rarely search for micro-caches (found 20 micros last year in total). I'd still have done this one.

 

I agree. This multi seems more about the journey. For those taking that train, this seems a bit of fun. Whilst having a large or special custom container in an amazing place is always good, I don't think it is mandatory just because of the distance.

 

If going with a fairly standard urban hide you can still improve on a film pot, e.g. one of the smallest lock and lock boxes (100 ml round), or a good quality bison container.

 

Yeah, with a multi like this, my main concern is that the final is there for me to find at the end of the journey! I don't need it to meet all of my criteria for favourite geocache of all time.

 

Agreed. For those that have never been there, Gare du nord is the busiest train station in Europe, by a fairly substantial amount. Here is what it looks like:

 

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PH's reviewer covers my area as well. These days, the reviewer in question will leave an identical note (I suspect it's a recommended, if not required, template). I can't speak to why they didn't back then.

 

On the other hand, once the road was cleared, there wouldn't be anything to stop one from re-enabling the cache and asking the reviewer to unarchive.

 

It didn't make sense to me then or now, but that forest service road is closed for winter anyway. I let another geocacher adopt two more listings I had up there on Cliff Mountain, but now geocaches camn only be placed there with a special use permit for $59 per year.

 

I hope that reviewer is more popular in your area. I have asked our other reviewer for a coordinates check to get around him in the past. :ph34r:

As much as I have enjoyed placing quality hides in the past, I'm just not so much interested in placing anymore hides. :(

I keep forgetting about that NF permit fee. It's a shame they still have it. I've not run across it; I'm happy to get a permit to place a cache in a given park, in fact I just went through the process for two earthcaches in two different parks out my way. But I wouldn't hide any caches in an area that required a fee.

 

I've had no issues with either of our reviewers. As far as their local reputation, it's apparently pretty good. There was a thread on the GCHR facebook page last year on whether anyone knew who the reviewer was. I cracked a joke referencing Keystone's perennial quote that "some reviewers are dogs." I learned very quickly that not everyone is a forum regular, as people thought I was calling the reviewer names, and that went over like a fart in church.

 

Anyway -- we're off topic here, so I'll stop with the tangent. On the original subject, I too have seen plenty of long distance multis, including ones in different cities and some in different countries; I will reinforce what others have said, reviewer involvement is the key to approval. Which is really true for any cache, but the more of an outlier the cache is, the more you need to be prepared to sell it when it's under review.

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