Duplicate of Null Child Waypoints

[+Z_Statman]

Can someone explain to me why some COs include a child waypoint that is the same as the cache location and/or sometimes has zero coordinates?

[+Isonzo Karst]

The current cache report system has a page for loading additional waypoints. The listing coords are pre-loaded into the coords pane for those waypoints, for ease of editing.

MANY don't realize they need to edit, and don't. Not being familiar with coords they see some and I guess assume the website magically knew and provided coords for their parking etc.

So the listing is published with listing, parking, reference coords, all identical.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "zero coords". There is an option to show the waypoint text, but not the coords themselves, might that be what you're referring to?

[+hzoi]

I have seen this more often with non-traditional caches, such as letterboxes. The hide a cache "wizard" assumes that the final location is different from the initial coordinates and prompts the hider to add an additional waypoint with the actual location of the cache. Some cache hiders apparently oblige this even if the two coordinates are one and the same, rather than ignoring the prompt.

[+The Jester]

Additonal waypoints can be:

 

Hidden - only CO and Reviewers can see them.

Partially hidden = Everyone can see there is a waypoint, but the co-ords are secreat (appears as N/S 0 0.0 E/W 0 0.0).

Open - Everyone see everything.

 

So 'zero point' wapoints show where the Prime Meridian & Equator meet.

 

What I find strange is the Traditional cache having a partially hidden final waypoint - it messes with the mapping I use by throwing a waypoint a few thousand miles away.

[+Isonzo Karst]

When the hide a cache "wizard" prompts for an additional waypoint (letterboxes, mystery, multi) my memory is that you MUST enter one, and cannot "ignoring the prompt".

Which is unfortunate in some ways, as those coords are never going to be updated when the listing coords are changed by the CO, as they don't recall that the additional waypoint exists.

[+barefootjeff]

When the hide a cache "wizard" prompts for an additional waypoint (letterboxes, mystery, multi) my memory is that you MUST enter one, and cannot "ignoring the prompt".

Which is unfortunate in some ways, as those coords are never going to be updated when the listing coords are changed by the CO, as they don't recall that the additional waypoint exists.

For a multi, I'm pretty sure only one additional set of coordinates is mandatory, namely the final, everything else is optional, and if it didn't have at least one additional waypoint it wouldn't be a multi. For mysteries, only the container location is required, everything else (including the listed coordinates if unless different from the final) is optional. I don't know about letterboxes as I've never created one.

 

Edit to correct mistake

Edited January 11, 2017 by barefootjeff

[+Isonzo Karst]

LBH, Mystery and Multi all require creation of two waypoints in the current cache process on the type/location page. Those two points can be identical, but they must be created.

[+hzoi]

When the hide a cache "wizard" prompts for an additional waypoint (letterboxes, mystery, multi) my memory is that you MUST enter one, and cannot "ignoring the prompt".

Which is unfortunate in some ways, as those coords are never going to be updated when the listing coords are changed by the CO, as they don't recall that the additional waypoint exists.

 

I think I oversimplified it. When I was writing up the listing for my most recent letterbox, the wizard did force me to create a waypoint. I edited it so it was not visible to anyone other than myself and the reviewer, and then I later went in and deleted it. Not exactly skipping or ignoring, so you are correct.

[+kunarion]

When the hide a cache "wizard" prompts for an additional waypoint (letterboxes, mystery, multi) my memory is that you MUST enter one, and cannot "ignoring the prompt".

Which is unfortunate in some ways, as those coords are never going to be updated when the listing coords are changed by the CO, as they don't recall that the additional waypoint exists.

 

I think I oversimplified it. When I was writing up the listing for my most recent letterbox, the wizard did force me to create a waypoint. I edited it so it was not visible to anyone other than myself and the reviewer, and then I later went in and deleted it. Not exactly skipping or ignoring, so you are correct.

On my most recent Unknown Cache (Mystery/Puzzle), I use oned of my existing cache locations as the Final Location as a place-holder. The displayed coords on the cache page are the location, there is no other stage. So when I published it, I set up the correct cache location but, yeah, didn't even notice the "Final", and that stage of course conflicted with other caches. So in my infinite wisdom, I deleted that Final stage. Don't need that waypoint ... except that you do! The Reviewer wrote to point out that the Final coords must exist on such a cache. He even added that waypoint back into the system for me, so it could be published. Is that a cool Reviewer or what!

 

It's good to know that the duplicate waypoint could be deleted later. But I don't know all the considerations for doing so.

Edited January 11, 2017 by kunarion

[+Z_Statman]

Thanks for the comments

 

Topic can be closed

[+JL_HSTRE]

LBH, Mystery and Multi all require creation of two waypoints in the current cache process on the type/location page. Those two points can be identical, but they must be created.

 

Wherigo also.