Is it okay to replace wet logs?

[+joshua863]

I live here in Florida, and I seem to run across A LOT of ruined logs from being wet. Is it generally okay to replace the log with a dry properly labeled log? I have searched for the answer I could not seem to find one, sorry if this is a repeat question (I'm sure it is)

[+cerberus1]

Sure.

[+joshua863]

Awesome! Thanks! I didn't want to 'step on any ones toes' or upset someone by messing with the log. So just toss the ruined one?

[+whh0]

I usually carry a supply of little plastic bags too, to try and protect the log if it will fit in the cache.

[+Mockingbird559]

Whenever I have replaced a log - wet, full or damaged, I have kept the old one and told the owner to drop me a note if they wanted it. No one has ever asked for the old log. So I would say, if you want to, go ahead and replace it. If not, a note in your Found log, or (more appropriately) a Needs Maintenance should be adequate.

 

Cache Happy

[+BAMBOOZLE]

By all means go for it....we've changed hundreds. I get the 2" X 3" ziplocks at Michael s craft store and make the logs in Excel and print them out. We carry a couple in our pocket and reload from a big bag I keep in the truck. I also carry o-rings to fit bison and match holder containers as that is the reason many logs get wet.

If all cacher's did this it would improve the game immeasurably.

[+Team Dredd]

We have replaced logs sometimes but sort of do it a certain way. If a log sheet is completely full and there just isn't any place in the log to sign we will put a new sheet and leave the original. If the log is complete mush and cannot be read or dried by the CO we will replace it with a new one. If the log is just to wet to sign but is still legible we have added a new log sheet in plastic but leave the original. When we find a cache that for what ever reason has no log at all we will add one; I know it seems strange but we have found a few of them like that, just no log at all.

 

In all circumstances when we do something like that we always send a message to the CO or at a minimum we note it in the found log on the cache page. We try to think how we would like it done if it was our cache as not to disrespect the CO.

[+L0ne.R]

Depends. I'm more inclined to note the condition in my log and post a Needs Maintenance.

 

I will not enable a cache owner that has placed a power trail of micros that they do not intend to maintain.

I will not enable a cache owner that places cheap leaky caches.

I will not enable a cache owner that is lethargic about cache maintenance.

I will not enable a cache owner who places nano cachess. You want to place teeny caches, then you have to expect the nano log will fill up quickly (and will also get tattered quickly) and therefore needs regular maintenance.

 

I may leave a piece of paper to tide the cache over, if it's a decent cache, in good shape, i.e. not neglected.

[+J Grouchy]

We have replaced logs sometimes but sort of do it a certain way. If a log sheet is completely full and there just isn't any place in the log to sign we will put a new sheet and leave the original. If the log is complete mush and cannot be read or dried by the CO we will replace it with a new one. If the log is just to wet to sign but is still legible we have added a new log sheet in plastic but leave the original. When we find a cache that for what ever reason has no log at all we will add one; I know it seems strange but we have found a few of them like that, just no log at all.

 

In all circumstances when we do something like that we always send a message to the CO or at a minimum we note it in the found log on the cache page. We try to think how we would like it done if it was our cache as not to disrespect the CO.

 

That's pretty much what I do for the most part...when I have the proper supplies to do so, that is.

I don't bother with the nanos, though. If the log on one of those is full, I will initial it over an already faded signature. If the nano log is soaked, I don't even bother trying.

[+joshua863]

Thanks for the help everyone! I've noticed in some of the 'series' in my area, a lot of them are wet and the logs online indicate that they have been for a while so I figured I could be a helping hand and swapping it out for a dry one. I have noticed it's mainly the micros that get wet. I tend to find a lot of the bottle cap glued together, and they always seem to be wet. Found a ammo can yesterday tipped over and completely soaked inside. It sure doesn't help that it has rained here every day for the past 2 weeks. Got to love the florida summer rain storms!

 

Thanks again everyone, so helpful!

Edited July 9, 2014 by joshua863

[+The_Incredibles_]

I will and I will put it in my log and offer to give it back to the CO if they want it. However, if the container's no good, I don't bother.

[+Lieblweb]

Whenever I have replaced a log - wet, full or damaged, I have kept the old one and told the owner to drop me a note if they wanted it. No one has ever asked for the old log. So I would say, if you want to, go ahead and replace it. If not, a note in your Found log, or (more appropriately) a Needs Maintenance should be adequate.

 

Cache Happy

 

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[+dprovan]

It's OK to replace wet logs. But I don't because if the old log's wet, the one I replace it with will soon be wet, too. The way I see it, the wet log isn't the problem. The problem is a leaky container. Replacing the wet log won't fix the container, so it makes more sense to call on the CO to fix both problems.

[+The_Incredibles_]

It's OK to replace wet logs. But I don't because if the old log's wet, the one I replace it with will soon be wet, too. The way I see it, the wet log isn't the problem. The problem is a leaky container. Replacing the wet log won't fix the container, so it makes more sense to call on the CO to fix both problems.

 

You can't always blame a leaky container. Most of the wet logs I find are due to people opening caches in the rain (it rains alot here).

[+BAMBOOZLE]

It's OK to replace wet logs. But I don't because if the old log's wet, the one I replace it with will soon be wet, too. The way I see it, the wet log isn't the problem. The problem is a leaky container. Replacing the wet log won't fix the container, so it makes more sense to call on the CO to fix both problems.

 

You can't always blame a leaky container. Most of the wet logs I find are due to people opening caches in the rain (it rains alot here).

 

Amen.

[+gonzogunner]

I have found that saying they need to be fixed doesn't help. they place them and forget about them for the most part leaving it to us to repair them!!! do wha you think is right but reporting them has not helped any. I know of at least 10 that are no longer there because of up grades to the road side or city signs. they are reported and nothing is done.

[+TriciaG]

I have found that saying they need to be fixed doesn't help. they place them and forget about them for the most part leaving it to us to repair them!!! do wha you think is right but reporting them has not helped any.

Did you post Needs Maintenance logs, or just mention "log is wet" in your found log?

 

I know of at least 10 that are no longer there because of up grades to the road side or city signs. they are reported and nothing is done.

Did you post a Needs Archived log?

[+gonzogunner]

I have found that saying they need to be fixed doesn't help. they place them and forget about them for the most part leaving it to us to repair them!!! do wha you think is right but reporting them has not helped any.

Did you post Needs Maintenance logs, or just mention "log is wet" in your found log?

 

I know of at least 10 that are no longer there because of up grades to the road side or city signs. they are reported and nothing is done.

Did you post a Needs Archived log?

 

the first few I posted still wouldn't have been fixed if I didn't do it!!! there is one that everybody has posted saying the gps shows the cache inside a store. I wasn't the only one to report it. it hasn't been fixed since the first report, and mine was the last.

[+TriciaG]

the first few I posted still wouldn't have been fixed if I didn't do it!!! there is one that everybody has posted saying the gps shows the cache inside a store. I wasn't the only one to report it. it hasn't been fixed since the first report, and mine was the last.

If you post Needs Archive logs on them, it'll get the reviewer notified. Then action is more likely to be taken. If action isn't taken, then chances are the reviewer doesn't think it's a big deal.

Edited July 11, 2014 by TriciaG

[+dprovan]

It's OK to replace wet logs. But I don't because if the old log's wet, the one I replace it with will soon be wet, too. The way I see it, the wet log isn't the problem. The problem is a leaky container. Replacing the wet log won't fix the container, so it makes more sense to call on the CO to fix both problems.

You can't always blame a leaky container. Most of the wet logs I find are due to people opening caches in the rain (it rains alot here).

I'll have to take your word for it, but it's hard for me to imagine a log getting so soaked just from careless signing in the rain that it has to be replaced.

[+NanCycle]

Whenever I have replaced a log - wet, full or damaged, I have kept the old one and told the owner to drop me a note if they wanted it. No one has ever asked for the old log. . . .

Cache Happy

 

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Whenever I have replaced a log sheet, (if a new one will not fit in the container along with the old one) I also take the old one home and dry it out, if necessary; then if it is at all legible I scan it and post the image to my Found log.

[+The_Incredibles_]

It's OK to replace wet logs. But I don't because if the old log's wet, the one I replace it with will soon be wet, too. The way I see it, the wet log isn't the problem. The problem is a leaky container. Replacing the wet log won't fix the container, so it makes more sense to call on the CO to fix both problems.

You can't always blame a leaky container. Most of the wet logs I find are due to people opening caches in the rain (it rains alot here).

I'll have to take your word for it, but it's hard for me to imagine a log getting so soaked just from careless signing in the rain that it has to be replaced.

 

Not necessarily soaked, but wet to the point that people are mentioning it in their logs. The problem is, if the log's wet, it's just not going to dry out easily being inside a sealed container, especially a small lock n lock. I had to do a number of maintenance runs this spring for wet logs. One of them was just so obvious, as the pages people had signed were wet and the pages at the back of the logbook were bone dry. It was a new cache and everybody was keen to try it during a period of time where it was raining every day. I know they were probably doing their best not to get the log wet, but a drop here and a drop there, add up.

Edited July 11, 2014 by The_Incredibles_

[+Chrysalides]

I had to do a number of maintenance runs this spring for wet logs. One of them was just so obvious, as the pages people had signed were wet and the pages at the back of the logbook were bone dry.

Just noticed where you are from, and that I found one of your hides 2.5 years ago. It wasn't raining when I opened it then

 

A third possibility that you left out is a container not closed properly - something caught in the lid, or lid not secured properly (esp. decon containers).

 

As for the original topic, sure, go ahead and replace it. Leave the original log behind if you can.

Edited July 12, 2014 by Chrysalides