+atate75 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) How do I send all the geocaches from a certain state or area to my Oregon 600? I have never done paperless caching. I just got the Oregon 600 today. Edited January 16, 2015 by atate75 Quote Link to comment
+TriciaG Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 As a regular member, one at a time, I think. Pocket Queries - which are sets of caches you can send to your device, found from search parameters you set up - are a Premium Member feature. Quote Link to comment
+Timpat Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Well, as a Premium Member as stated you can get 5 PQs (pocket queries) per day, of up to 1,000 caches each. So in a single day you can download 5,000 caches. In one week then you can get 35,000 caches. From your profile it appears you are in AL- which has a bit over 17,000 caches (per GC.com), so in 4 days you can collect a good amount of your state's worth. But, the trick is centering your PQs to capture them all, and there will be overlap in coverage that then needs filtering with a program such as GSAK. Another concern is how many caches can your Oregon 600 handle? I believe the limit is 5,000 caches, but perhaps it can use the .ggz file type? I have to wonder why you want to have an entire state worth of caches first of all. Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Well, as a Premium Member as stated you can get 5 PQs (pocket queries) per day, of up to 1,000 caches each. So in a single day you can download 5,000 caches. In one week then you can get 35,000 caches. From your profile it appears you are in AL- which has a bit over 17,000 caches (per GC.com), so in 4 days you can collect a good amount of your state's worth. It's 10 PQs now, so 10,000 a day and 70,000 a week. Add to that another 6000 per day through the API. So theoretically, 112000 per week. Another concern is how many caches can your Oregon 600 handle? I believe the limit is 5,000 caches, but perhaps it can use the .ggz file type? 4 million is what Garmin claimed, and I don't think it is restricted to GGZ. Even if it is, it should be trivial to convert between GPX and GGZ. Quote Link to comment
+Walts Hunting Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Well, as a Premium Member as stated you can get 5 PQs (pocket queries) per day, of up to 1,000 caches each. So in a single day you can download 5,000 caches. In one week then you can get 35,000 caches. From your profile it appears you are in AL- which has a bit over 17,000 caches (per GC.com), so in 4 days you can collect a good amount of your state's worth. It's 10 PQs now, so 10,000 a day and 70,000 a week. Add to that another 6000 per day through the API. So theoretically, 112000 per week. Another concern is how many caches can your Oregon 600 handle? I believe the limit is 5,000 caches, but perhaps it can use the .ggz file type? 4 million is what Garmin claimed, and I don't think it is restricted to GGZ. Even if it is, it should be trivial to convert between GPX and GGZ. It is the GGZ file format that allows the bigger numbers. Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 TIP: As you ARE a Premium Member now, log out of the FORUMS, then log back in. You will then show in the Premium Member group, and not as Member. Quote Link to comment
insig Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) It is the GGZ file format that allows the bigger numbers. Not true, I've loaded about 70,000 caches on my Oregon 650 using solely GPX. A buddy of mine had pretty large chunk of Arizona on hand for his upcoming trip, and we got curious. It took a long time to boot up, but it imported them all as verified by some random spot checking for certain caches. Now that there's a separate zoom level on the map for geocaches, it's fun to set it to some ridiculous value like 500 mi and zoom out and see all the icons. EDIT: We made sure not to exceed the 2000 GPX file limit on the device. In fact, GSAK spit out all the caches in one giant GPX file. Edited January 17, 2015 by insig Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 It is the GGZ file format that allows the bigger numbers. Not true, I've loaded about 70,000 caches on my Oregon 650 using solely GPX. A buddy of mine had pretty large chunk of Arizona on hand for his upcoming trip, and we got curious. It took a long time to boot up, but it imported them all as verified by some random spot checking for certain caches. Now that there's a separate zoom level on the map for geocaches, it's fun to set it to some ridiculous value like 500 mi and zoom out and see all the icons. EDIT: We made sure not to exceed the 2000 GPX file limit on the device. In fact, GSAK spit out all the caches in one giant GPX file. Thanks for confirming. I've never read anywhere that the large number of caches is restricted to GGZ only. I have over 5000 loaded on mine but I never verified that they are all present. Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 OK, did some research on GGZ. 1. It is a compressed (zipped) GPX with an additional XML index. 2. The XML index contains only the information used for searching and sorting, resulting in much faster response. 3. It is supported by GSAK. The only place that claims that only GGZ supports large number of geocaches is GeoGet. Garmin makes no such claim. It could be that an Oregon 600 with 4 million geocaches in GPX files may be slow to the point of being unusable. Quote Link to comment
+atate75 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 I know that PQs are limited to 1000 caches. I also know that I can make 10 PQs per day. What if the state has more than 1000? If I wanted to add an entire state how would I go about doing that? Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I know that PQs are limited to 1000 caches. I also know that I can make 10 PQs per day. What if the state has more than 1000? If I wanted to add an entire state how would I go about doing that? How many caches in the state? Do you really need ALL of them? (eg D5/T5, Unknowns, Wherigo etc.) Best way is to limit each PQ to Date Placed. Early caches get years to a PQ, later caches get a month to a PQ! Takes a little bit of working out the first time, gets easier as PQs need adjusting over time as caches get Archived. Quote Link to comment
+MartyBartfast Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 The generally accepted way is to create multiple PQs, so for example one searches for caches placed between 2000 & 2004, another between 2004 & 2007, etc. Go here http://project-gc.com/Tools/PQSplit (you need to register) and it will help set up the date ranges for you. I expect this can also be done in GSAK but I don't use that so can't help there. Quote Link to comment
+atate75 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 I created a PQ with only large and small traditional caches for my entire state. How can I tell how many caches were in it? Quote Link to comment
+ecanderson Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 When you create the query and click on "Submit", the page shows the cache count right at the top in green. Afterward, if you click on the little magnifying glass on your PQ list page a bit to the left of your query name, it will also do so. Total record: xxxx Quote Link to comment
+atate75 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 Thanks. I checked it and it was the full 1000 limit. I wonder how many I missed. Quote Link to comment
+Panther&Pine Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Thanks. I checked it and it was the full 1000 limit. I wonder how many I missed. You can preview it on the map to get an idea of how far it made it away from your center point. Quote Link to comment
+atate75 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 It covers the entire state. Wow. That's a lot of caches. These should keep me busy a while. Thanks! Quote Link to comment
Keystone Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Maxing out your query at 1000 caches across the entire state is not an efficient query design. You'll want to design queries that return 999 caches or less, so that the query generator isn't picking and choosing which caches to exclude or include. With your query, you could be walking down a trail to find one cache that's loaded on your GPS, while blissfully walking past three others. You can either tweak the radius for a circular area around your home coordinates, divide up a larger area by date-separated PQ's, or a combination of both. Quote Link to comment
+Panther&Pine Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I created a PQ with only large and small traditional caches for my entire state. How can I tell how many caches were in it? Assuming you live in Alabama, there are over 5000 active caches (all types) that are small, regular or large. Project-GC is amazing. Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) If you go to http://www.geocaching.com/seek/ and use the query by state, you can figure out how many caches there are in that state. For example, California has 129629 caches. That would take 13 days of PQs to download. (edit : oops, math fail on my part) To split them into date ranges, use project-gc's PQ Splitter tool at http://project-gc.com/Tools/PQSplit Edited January 19, 2015 by Chrysalides Quote Link to comment
robertlipe Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 [ moderator note ] Duplicate topics merged. Please don't ask the same question multiple times in slightly different ways. Please be respectful of the time of the people most qualified to help you. Quote Link to comment
+Red90 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 To split them into date ranges, use project-gc's PQ Splitter tool at http://project-gc.com/Tools/PQSplit You can use a macro in GSAK to do the same thing, but leave out the found caches. If you have found a lot, this reduces the number of required PQs by a lot. Quote Link to comment
+GeoTrekker26 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Thanks. I checked it and it was the full 1000 limit. I wonder how many I missed. You can preview it on the map to get an idea of how far it made it away from your center point. As Moun10bike has pointed out in the past, PQs do not search from the center outward, so knowing how far away the most distant cache is means nothing in assessing the search completeness. Quote Link to comment
+HHL Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) To split them into date ranges, use project-gc's PQ Splitter tool at http://project-gc.com/Tools/PQSplit You can use a macro in GSAK to do the same thing, but leave out the found caches. If you have found a lot, this reduces the number of required PQs by a lot. No. Unfortunately you must download all caches before the GSAK macro can do so. Project-GC's split tool offers all filters that apply with PQs (ie: not found, not on my ignore list, etc. pp.) Hans Edited January 19, 2015 by HHL Quote Link to comment
+gpsblake Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Maybe it's a bandwidth issue but other then that, I don't see why Groundspeak can't put out at least a weekly (or daily) list of geocaches by state for people to download. A pocket query of 1,000 caches is roughly around a 1mb... so even California would only be 130mb.... But like I said, that could be too much bandwidth for Groundspeak's servers to handle. I think if they put out a list like that, it would be easier on the servers instead of generating pocket queries one at a time as I think many if not most people would just download the state list.. Then use 3rd party software to narrow the list to their liking. Quote Link to comment
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