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There seems to be a bunch of there, where someone just goes along a road and places a bunch of nano's in the street signs along the entire stretch of road. I don't mind them at all, my question is, what should a person log online in each of these? I read posts about people who are frustrated by the logs that just say "found it" or "tftc". But when it's a string of nanos like this, what should one say?

 

Here's what I've done

 

"Found 1 of 5 in this string over lunch, TFTC SL!"

"Found 2 of 5 in this string over lunch, TFTC SL!"

 

and so on. There's not really much else to write since there's nothing really unique about these caches, and nothing special about them. What are your thoughts for what to put in the logs?

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I always write individual logs that address my experience at the individual cache. That's why I don't do many power trails. I think my max has been 10 on a power trail. I would never do a nano power trail - unrolling and rolling the tiny scrolls would drive me nuts. Maybe I'd right about how the tiny scrolls drove me nuts and say it slightly differently each time.

 

Nano 1 - Man that tiny scroll was hard to get out of the button nano.

Nano 2 - I had a hard time writing in tiny print on this log.

Nano 3 - These tiny scrolls are driving me crazy.

Nano 4 - I was surprised that this one wasn't on the left side behind the sign, but rather on the right side behind the sign. I'm starting to get carpal tunnel symptoms in my hands.

Nano 5 - My fingers are going numb.

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I always write individual logs that address my experience at the individual cache. That's why I don't do many power trails. I think my max has been 10 on a power trail. I would never do a nano power trail - unrolling and rolling the tiny scrolls would drive me nuts. Maybe I'd right about how the tiny scrolls drove me nuts and say it slightly differently each time.

 

Nano 1 - Man that tiny scroll was hard to get out of the button nano.

Nano 2 - I had a hard time writing in tiny print on this log.

Nano 3 - These tiny scrolls are driving me crazy.

Nano 4 - I was surprised that this one wasn't on the left side behind the sign, but rather on the right side behind the sign. I'm starting to get carpal tunnel symptoms in my hands.

Nano 5 - My fingers are going numb.

 

That's a great idea for a power trail! I think I'm going to adjust my logging experience.

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There seems to be a bunch of there, where someone just goes along a road and places a bunch of nano's in the street signs along the entire stretch of road. I don't mind them at all, my question is, what should a person log online in each of these? I read posts about people who are frustrated by the logs that just say "found it" or "tftc". But when it's a string of nanos like this, what should one say?

 

Here's what I've done

 

"Found 1 of 5 in this string over lunch, TFTC SL!"

"Found 2 of 5 in this string over lunch, TFTC SL!"

 

and so on. There's not really much else to write since there's nothing really unique about these caches, and nothing special about them. What are your thoughts for what to put in the logs?

 

Oh goodness, I'm one of the people who are frustrated by "found it" or "Tftc", but I don't place caches that "deserve" those kinds of logs. Nor do I find caches that deserve those kind of logs, I have an ignore list, and I use it. :P

 

If I, as and old school sit down at a computer and log cache finds after the fact person were to go on a Nano run (which I admit would never happen), I think I could come up with a short unique log for each one. But it probably wouldn't be more than a sentence each. In this particular case, I don't see a problem with what you have done in the past. Heck, it's 11 words, if you count numbers and acronym's as words. :)

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There seems to be a bunch of there, where someone just goes along a road and places a bunch of nano's in the street signs along the entire stretch of road. I don't mind them at all, my question is, what should a person log online in each of these? I read posts about people who are frustrated by the logs that just say "found it" or "tftc". But when it's a string of nanos like this, what should one say?

I don't have any problem with you logging TFTC if you don't think there's any reason for further comment. I have a hard time believing anyone else would have a problem with it when the caches are so simple. (I don't think this has anything to do with being a nano, though, since nanos can still be interesting, and any cache can be boring.) For me, the cache was an excuse to walk there, not the reason I walked there, so there's normally something to say about the walk even if the cache itself is unremarkable. I'm not saying everyone has to be that way, I'm just saying you should consider each cache log independently rather than deciding in advance that nanos without exception never deserve anything in their logs.

 

Here's what I've done

 

"Found 1 of 5 in this string over lunch, TFTC SL!"

"Found 2 of 5 in this string over lunch, TFTC SL!"

Personally, if you're not going to put anything in the log, I'd much prefer you not put anything in the log and just say "TFTC" without a mindless comment about where this fell in your caching day. That just makes me think you wouldn't have said anything more even if there was something remarkable about the cache. On the other hand, if you're going to think about the log, that's fine: for example, "First one on a quick caching trip during lunch", "Another grab during this lunch walk", etc., but if you really have nothing to say, then don't write a complete sentence in order to not say it.

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I always write individual logs that address my experience at the individual cache. That's why I don't do many power trails. I think my max has been 10 on a power trail. I would never do a nano power trail - unrolling and rolling the tiny scrolls would drive me nuts. Maybe I'd right about how the tiny scrolls drove me nuts and say it slightly differently each time.

 

Nano 1 - Man that tiny scroll was hard to get out of the button nano.

Nano 2 - I had a hard time writing in tiny print on this log.

Nano 3 - These tiny scrolls are driving me crazy.

Nano 4 - I was surprised that this one wasn't on the left side behind the sign, but rather on the right side behind the sign. I'm starting to get carpal tunnel symptoms in my hands.

Nano 5 - My fingers are going numb.

 

Pretty much everything L0ne.R said. Fortunately there aren't really any such "trails" around here, so it's odd to run across the same type of hide back to back to back around here. I'm in the "say something, anything...just as long as it isn't just TFTC or Thanks" camp. By the tenth or fifteenth, I'd probably be logging the number of paces between caches and how many cars honked at me along the way...but I'd say SOMETHING!

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I found a few bench micros last night that were kind of like that. I don't suppose the CO is reading the logs as he's put so many out, but it made me feel better to write the logs just the same

 

1st log:Yeah! Just love an easy one. Thanks for all the hard work putting these out!

 

2nd log:Woohoo! Another bench hide! Fortunately it was nice and late and no muggles around. TFTH!

 

3rd log: This was such a tough hide! I crawled around for 1/2 hour on my hands and knees, then finally had to resort to PAF, EAF and TAF. Just kidding. Thanks mcwilli for all the hard work on this series!

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I went on an "Evil Cache Run" with group of geocachers. Even though most of the caches were various kinds of nano-cache, they were all different enough that I could say something unique about each one.

 

I've never gone on a "nano run" like you've described, but my "Best Day" of 28 caches included a few that started to seem rather similar to each other. But still, I tried to say something unique about each one, even if it was only which member of the group spotted each one first.

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There is a guy around here that made a series of "the nano and the ______" Then at the end made a challenge to find 20 caches or something with the word nano in it. I know I am weird but I enjoyed the challenge and they all got nice logs. The final a favorite. I am sure the CO won't be upset with your logs so just log them how you want to. His were all over in some cool places and not a power trail or anything. I liked how he made hiding blinkies kind of cool.

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It's very possible that if a cache leaves you at a loss for words, it isn't the type you should seek.

 

Sometimes I'll upload a photo of something scenic/interesting/unusual nearby. That's quick and easy with a phone, it preserves the memory for me, & it shows others what the area is like.

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Since runs like this are becoming common around here, I write a sentence or so on the 1st one thanking the CO for providing the smileys. From then on, I have an TFTC or something like that. If that's not a possibility, I sometimes write an individual email to the CO thanking him, acknowledging his/her work in hiding them. Then I TFTC.

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Thanks for all the responses everyone! I do think I've got enough here to adjust my future logs so they're a little more fun. I do enjoy them, don't get me wrong. The reason for the post was after reading in the forums about people who don't like short pointless logs. Just wanted some ideas for how to spruce my logging up.

 

Thanks again!

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Generally, we approach the online log as a message to our (future) selves and not the cache owner. Obviously, we hope the CO appreciates the log and enjoys it, but that is secondary to our caching adventure and log.

 

Generally, we also follow "the principle of you get what you give" as nosynellies says and to use the online log as a "passive-agressive" way to forward an agenda, personal prefrence, and dismiss the CO, well thats just not cricket and dprovan advice comes in "if you really have nothing to say, then don't write a complete sentence in order to not say it."

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Generally, we approach the online log as a message to our (future) selves and not the cache owner. Obviously, we hope the CO appreciates the log and enjoys it, but that is secondary to our caching adventure and log.

 

Generally, we also follow "the principle of you get what you give" as nosynellies says and to use the online log as a "passive-agressive" way to forward an agenda, personal prefrence, and dismiss the CO, well thats just not cricket and dprovan advice comes in "if you really have nothing to say, then don't write a complete sentence in order to not say it."

Well put.

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There seems to be a bunch of there, where someone just goes along a road and places a bunch of nano's in the street signs along the entire stretch of road. I don't mind them at all, my question is, what should a person log online in each of these? I read posts about people who are frustrated by the logs that just say "found it" or "tftc". But when it's a string of nanos like this, what should one say?

 

Here's what I've done

 

"Found 1 of 5 in this string over lunch, TFTC SL!"

"Found 2 of 5 in this string over lunch, TFTC SL!"

 

and so on. There's not really much else to write since there's nothing really unique about these caches, and nothing special about them. What are your thoughts for what to put in the logs?

 

"Awesome. Another nano behind a sign. LOFTS."

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I always write individual logs that address my experience at the individual cache. That's why I don't do many power trails. I think my max has been 10 on a power trail. I would never do a nano power trail - unrolling and rolling the tiny scrolls would drive me nuts. Maybe I'd right about how the tiny scrolls drove me nuts and say it slightly differently each time.

 

Nano 1 - Man that tiny scroll was hard to get out of the button nano.

Nano 2 - I had a hard time writing in tiny print on this log.

Nano 3 - These tiny scrolls are driving me crazy.

Nano 4 - I was surprised that this one wasn't on the left side behind the sign, but rather on the right side behind the sign. I'm starting to get carpal tunnel symptoms in my hands.

Nano 5 - My fingers are going numb.

 

Nano 6 - these things are getting tiresome

Nano 7 - is this really the best you can think of?

Nano 8 - slowly losing the will to live

Nano 9 - can't be bothered with any more of these

Nano 10-20 (Write Note), CBA with any more nanos.

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Thanks for all the responses everyone! I do think I've got enough here to adjust my future logs so they're a little more fun. I do enjoy them, don't get me wrong. The reason for the post was after reading in the forums about people who don't like short pointless logs. Just wanted some ideas for how to spruce my logging up.

Sounds like a great result. Obviously if you have more fun with your logs, then you'll have more fun. And typically people reading your logs will have more fun, too. That's the way I look at it. Carry on!

 

Just to be clear, though, on the other hand, in my experience, the people that complain about "TFTC" are talking about caches that have a lot going for them, particularly when a lot of effort went into selecting the location or designing the container and such. That doesn't sound like the kind of cache you're talking about. I don't think many people would object to a pointless log for a pointless cache.

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Nano 10-20 (Write Note), CBA with any more nanos.

CBA but yet you went for 20 of them? What did they do, hold your smartphone hostage and threaten to throw it into the koi pond unless you complete the series?

 

That's why it's a Note rather than a Found. A few times I've been to GZ, realised what the search involved, and cycled on past without even slowing and then written a Note to just say I can't be bothered with an endlessly repetitive search.

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That's why it's a Note rather than a Found. A few times I've been to GZ, realised what the search involved, and cycled on past without even slowing and then written a Note to just say I can't be bothered with an endlessly repetitive search.

I'd rather just ignore them than write snarky comments in the logs. Maybe on one of them, but logging multiple notes saying "this is tedious, I'm not going to search" seems excessive.

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The real question is whether you bother to dig the logs out of these nanos or not... as long as I find them I do not necessarily log a cache smaller than a film canister physically. I will log it electronically. I figure it's less wear and tear on the cache and more time the CO can go without replacing it as well.

 

Some hilarious comments in this thread! Losing the will to live... hahaha.

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The real question is whether you bother to dig the logs out of these nanos or not... as long as I find them I do not necessarily log a cache smaller than a film canister physically. I will log it electronically. I figure it's less wear and tear on the cache and more time the CO can go without replacing it as well.

That's fine to do, but just remember that if you ever get a CO that decides to compare the physical log to the online logs and they delete your log, you won't have a leg to stand on.

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The real question is whether you bother to dig the logs out of these nanos or not... as long as I find them I do not necessarily log a cache smaller than a film canister physically. I will log it electronically. I figure it's less wear and tear on the cache and more time the CO can go without replacing it as well.

That's fine to do, but just remember that if you ever get a CO that decides to compare the physical log to the online logs and they delete your log, you won't have a leg to stand on.

I've also found a nano that, after unrolling, has a slip of paper that says "This is not the cache. Keep looking." So you don't even know if you've found the cache if you don't open it up to sign the physical log.

 

I'm not a big fan of decoys, but that's something for another thread.

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The real question is whether you bother to dig the logs out of these nanos or not... as long as I find them I do not necessarily log a cache smaller than a film canister physically. I will log it electronically. I figure it's less wear and tear on the cache and more time the CO can go without replacing it as well.

 

Some hilarious comments in this thread! Losing the will to live... hahaha.

 

As a CO with several nano caches in a large urban area (Toronto) I would prefer that the log is signed (initials are OK.) I don't mind changing the log if it becomes full (as I did today.)

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I LOVE to write and I feel that, in most cases, I make exceptional effort to write nice, readable, hopefully entertaining, log entries. This applies no matter what size the cache is.

 

HOWEVER, if it is a run that is very obviously designed largely for the purpose of cachers being able to get lots of finds in a short amount of time for example: Around here many of our bike paths have micros/nanos all along them...D1/1.5D hides all largely hid in the same manner spaced almost precisely 520ft apart. Completely not interesting hides on completely not interesting commuter bike trails right along busy highways...cheap 35mm cannisters and test strip holders...and it's clear that the CO never intended for it to be anything more than numbers because the same guy has some of the best hides in town otherwise.

 

In this case I will say "TFTC" in each one all of the way up to the last one that I found in which I will make a longer, hopefully interesting, summary of my experience with the run as a whole. Even this might be overachieving on my part and I'm pretty sure the CO doesn't expect it.

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That's why it's a Note rather than a Found. A few times I've been to GZ, realised what the search involved, and cycled on past without even slowing and then written a Note to just say I can't be bothered with an endlessly repetitive search.

I'd rather just ignore them than write snarky comments in the logs. Maybe on one of them, but logging multiple notes saying "this is tedious, I'm not going to search" seems excessive.

Right. The CO put out at least *some* effort. *Some* people like them and want them. No prob if you don't - few people like all cache types equally. Ignore those you dislike - avoid snark.

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That's why it's a Note rather than a Found. A few times I've been to GZ, realised what the search involved, and cycled on past without even slowing and then written a Note to just say I can't be bothered with an endlessly repetitive search.

I'd rather just ignore them than write snarky comments in the logs. Maybe on one of them, but logging multiple notes saying "this is tedious, I'm not going to search" seems excessive.

... and tedious, ironically.

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That's why it's a Note rather than a Found. A few times I've been to GZ, realised what the search involved, and cycled on past without even slowing and then written a Note to just say I can't be bothered with an endlessly repetitive search.

I'd rather just ignore them than write snarky comments in the logs. Maybe on one of them, but logging multiple notes saying "this is tedious, I'm not going to search" seems excessive.

Right. The CO put out at least *some* effort. *Some* people like them and want them. No prob if you don't - few people like all cache types equally. Ignore those you dislike - avoid snark.

 

In fairness I'd only write a note on the first one I didn't bother with.

 

If a cache is the kind of endlessly repetitive search I'd post a note to serve two purposes.

 

Firstly it warns other people who might feel the same way as I do that they'll regard it as a waste of time. If people like looking for nanos on guard rails they can ignore my log, if they hate them they may be saved a wasted trip.

 

Secondly it lets the CO know that some people don't like that kind of search. They don't have to do anything in response but at least they know that some people prefer an inventive hide to the kind of thing where you are just trying every possible one of many hiding places, and the addition of thorns or stinging nettles makes it less likely people will bother to look at all.

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That's why it's a Note rather than a Found. A few times I've been to GZ, realised what the search involved, and cycled on past without even slowing and then written a Note to just say I can't be bothered with an endlessly repetitive search.

I'd rather just ignore them than write snarky comments in the logs. Maybe on one of them, but logging multiple notes saying "this is tedious, I'm not going to search" seems excessive.

Right. The CO put out at least *some* effort. *Some* people like them and want them. No prob if you don't - few people like all cache types equally. Ignore those you dislike - avoid snark.

 

In fairness I'd only write a note on the first one I didn't bother with.

 

If a cache is the kind of endlessly repetitive search I'd post a note to serve two purposes.

 

Firstly it warns other people who might feel the same way as I do that they'll regard it as a waste of time. If people like looking for nanos on guard rails they can ignore my log, if they hate them they may be saved a wasted trip.

 

Secondly it lets the CO know that some people don't like that kind of search. They don't have to do anything in response but at least they know that some people prefer an inventive hide to the kind of thing where you are just trying every possible one of many hiding places, and the addition of thorns or stinging nettles makes it less likely people will bother to look at all.

And the cache owner has to spend two extra seconds of his life deleting your snarky notes. Good job.

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That's why it's a Note rather than a Found. A few times I've been to GZ, realised what the search involved, and cycled on past without even slowing and then written a Note to just say I can't be bothered with an endlessly repetitive search.

I'd rather just ignore them than write snarky comments in the logs. Maybe on one of them, but logging multiple notes saying "this is tedious, I'm not going to search" seems excessive.

Right. The CO put out at least *some* effort. *Some* people like them and want them. No prob if you don't - few people like all cache types equally. Ignore those you dislike - avoid snark.

 

In fairness I'd only write a note on the first one I didn't bother with.

 

If a cache is the kind of endlessly repetitive search I'd post a note to serve two purposes.

 

Firstly it warns other people who might feel the same way as I do that they'll regard it as a waste of time. If people like looking for nanos on guard rails they can ignore my log, if they hate them they may be saved a wasted trip.

 

Secondly it lets the CO know that some people don't like that kind of search. They don't have to do anything in response but at least they know that some people prefer an inventive hide to the kind of thing where you are just trying every possible one of many hiding places, and the addition of thorns or stinging nettles makes it less likely people will bother to look at all.

And the cache owner has to spend two extra seconds of his life deleting your snarky notes. Good job.

 

The cache owner doesn't have to do anything of the sort. If they don't like my comments they can delete them but nobody is forcing them to do so. If they don't want comments on what people thought of their caches they shouldn't hide caches. If all people want is unadulterated praise they should go cry to their mummy.

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That's why it's a Note rather than a Found. A few times I've been to GZ, realised what the search involved, and cycled on past without even slowing and then written a Note to just say I can't be bothered with an endlessly repetitive search.

I'd rather just ignore them than write snarky comments in the logs. Maybe on one of them, but logging multiple notes saying "this is tedious, I'm not going to search" seems excessive.

Right. The CO put out at least *some* effort. *Some* people like them and want them. No prob if you don't - few people like all cache types equally. Ignore those you dislike - avoid snark.

 

In fairness I'd only write a note on the first one I didn't bother with.

 

If a cache is the kind of endlessly repetitive search I'd post a note to serve two purposes.

 

Firstly it warns other people who might feel the same way as I do that they'll regard it as a waste of time. If people like looking for nanos on guard rails they can ignore my log, if they hate them they may be saved a wasted trip.

 

Secondly it lets the CO know that some people don't like that kind of search. They don't have to do anything in response but at least they know that some people prefer an inventive hide to the kind of thing where you are just trying every possible one of many hiding places, and the addition of thorns or stinging nettles makes it less likely people will bother to look at all.

And the cache owner has to spend two extra seconds of his life deleting your snarky notes. Good job.

 

The cache owner doesn't have to do anything of the sort. If they don't like my comments they can delete them but nobody is forcing them to do so. If they don't want comments on what people thought of their caches they shouldn't hide caches. If all people want is unadulterated praise they should go cry to their mummy.

Leaving a snarky note on a cache page that you didn't try to find because it was a nano isn't helpful to anyone. It's just you trying to be snarky and amusing yourself by being mean to others. As such, the note should be deleted. In my opinion, a person leaving such notes should also be sanctioned, but I'm not in charge of those things.

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That's why it's a Note rather than a Found. A few times I've been to GZ, realised what the search involved, and cycled on past without even slowing and then written a Note to just say I can't be bothered with an endlessly repetitive search.

I'd rather just ignore them than write snarky comments in the logs. Maybe on one of them, but logging multiple notes saying "this is tedious, I'm not going to search" seems excessive.

Right. The CO put out at least *some* effort. *Some* people like them and want them. No prob if you don't - few people like all cache types equally. Ignore those you dislike - avoid snark.

 

In fairness I'd only write a note on the first one I didn't bother with.

 

If a cache is the kind of endlessly repetitive search I'd post a note to serve two purposes.

 

Firstly it warns other people who might feel the same way as I do that they'll regard it as a waste of time. If people like looking for nanos on guard rails they can ignore my log, if they hate them they may be saved a wasted trip.

 

Secondly it lets the CO know that some people don't like that kind of search. They don't have to do anything in response but at least they know that some people prefer an inventive hide to the kind of thing where you are just trying every possible one of many hiding places, and the addition of thorns or stinging nettles makes it less likely people will bother to look at all.

And the cache owner has to spend two extra seconds of his life deleting your snarky notes. Good job.

 

The cache owner doesn't have to do anything of the sort. If they don't like my comments they can delete them but nobody is forcing them to do so. If they don't want comments on what people thought of their caches they shouldn't hide caches. If all people want is unadulterated praise they should go cry to their mummy.

Leaving a snarky note on a cache page that you didn't try to find because it was a nano isn't helpful to anyone. It's just you trying to be snarky and amusing yourself by being mean to others. As such, the note should be deleted. In my opinion, a person leaving such notes should also be sanctioned, but I'm not in charge of those things.

 

Of course it's helpful to people. It's helpful to anyone else who might find a succession of nanos uninspiring, or who finds looking for a nano on a guard rail or a long metal fence (as opposed to a nano in a location that doesn't require such an endlessly repetitive search) sufficiently tedious that they wouldn't bother going out.

 

I wouldn't leave a note if I hadn't even bothered to head to the coordinates but if I got the coordinates and found it was going to be the kind of search where the nano is in one of 100,000 functionally identical hiding places (e.g. a very long fence made of metal uprights with horizontal metal supports) I'll unashamedly write a note to say I got to GZ and couldn't be bothered to search. I've seen others do it too, so I'm clearly not the only one who dislikes that kind of thing.

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