[chengsing]

Welcome in..
All SG Geocachers are welcome here
Any new cache you placed/found?
Discuss here

[PathSeeker]

Hey ChenSeng... so did you find casuarina land? Quite confused when you said its not where it's supposed to be but you found it...

Btw..it's great that you are taking the initiative to start a forum for Singapore geocachers... Let's pass the good news around.

[chengsing]

oh yah i just made changes to it.. lol sorry for the confusion.
hopefully the owner of the cache sees it and places a new one for us.
such a pity..

[yizhe]

Hi guys

My company is going to push for geocaching adoption in singapore and is creating a new varient of it that is suitable for our local context. Have been contacted some wonderful places in singapore (e.g. zoo, birdpark, sugei buloh nature reserve) and is working to get them to partner with us to offer their site for geocaching activities. You guys think this is a good idea?

[PathSeeker]

Hey I would think that it is a great Idea!...however I don't understand the part where you mean 'adoption' I am not sure if your aware that there is a cache in Sengei Buloh nature reserve already.

It is always an advantage to have the owners of the property being 'in' with the cache as well so the caches don't go missing easily.

MAybe you could sound out the 'variant' that you are suggesting and I can get some local geocachers to post their comments & ideas too.

[chengsing]

Maybe in zoo and birdpark we can have something like a multi cache/ puzzle with those animals as hints.. like the cache in NUS.
I am sure it would be a very good experience for us.
however not too sure of the varient you referring to.. something like geocoins for our own SG? called.. sgcoins? lol
just my $0.02
cheers to sg-geocaching

[yizhe]

Hi everyone,

To update you guys on the progress of my project. I've contacted quite a few site and most of them are interested in what I am doing. Some have invited me to do proposal for them on holding geocaching activities on their site.

One of the big organization that I have manage to gain interest is the NPark of Singapore which is the governing body for most of the parks and nature reserve (good site for geocaching) in Singapore.

I've spoken with the people @ sugei buloh park and they have since invited me to give them a detail proposal on a nature-theme geocaching activity on their site. I will be working hard on this to make it work.

On the point where sungei buloh has a cache, it is to be noted that it's illegal and also it's damaging to the wildlife if it's not well designed.(we don't want to do that right?).

What I wish to do now is to provide a legal way for geocaching to take place by asking permission from those site owners and extending those permission to geocaching players in singapore. Those site owner can also help look out for our cache and maybe event put some nice items in those cache.

I will also be doing some events for them to help promote this activity. In the meantime, I am designing with a group of people a new varient of this game that can be better fit into our local context and will keep you guys posted. In the meantime I have also contacted quite a few manufacturer to bring in new low cost gps sets (garmin) and walkie talkies.

Finally, I will really love to know if all the effort i put in or will be putting in the future is worth it? You guys think this is a good idea before i proceed on?

Cheers!

[Ed.Zuchini]

Thanks Yizhe for the time and interest to further the 'sport' of geocaching. When I started caching in Aug 04 there were a mere 34 caches. Now, minus the 'can't finds' that are still active (even though the caches are gone), there are over 95 or so. Much of this has to do with Nations and PathSeeker and their plug for the 'game'.

I would be interested in your idea and would fully support it, BUT, if it's a variation of geocaching, in that we would not be able to log our finds on the geocaching.com website, I would probably stay with what is currently in place. HOWEVER, in order to gain interest of the sport, we must do something similar to what you are attempting to do. Wherever, Nations, PathSeeker and myself have done interviews with different local newspapers but in my opinion those articles have not gained a wide range of success. If we had the support of major national park locations then the sport would be easily advertised and I do believe that the interest would increase.

Unfortunately I will be returning back to the States in December, otherwise I would be happy to assist you in your efforts. Geocaching in Singapore puts caching in the States to shame (at least in the state of Arizona). The caches there are nearly all small and placed in ridiculous places. On Sunday my kids and I did Tower View and loved the opportunity to walk in the rain and explore nature in a different way. When we returned to the car, soaked from head to toe, both my kids commented that it was the best cache they had ever done! The rain contributed to that but nonetheless they still had a great time.

Good luck in your effort. You may want to expand a bit on what your 'variation' is all about... but it seems like you are really doing your 'homework' and covering all your options to make this a success. My congrats to you! My opinion is if in your efforts there are caches placed that can be logged on geocaching.com, then you will see a higher interest rate than if you try to start something new that only gets us out to a park looking for interesting facts and tidbits of information. For me the trill of the find is what drives me.... and I love to watch my numbers increase. I've been in Singapore for 10 years so I've been to every park multiple times. So to get me to go without the chance of logging a find, I think I would instead look for new caches posted on the geocaching website. I believe that Singaporeans and ex-pats who have been here awhile, would share my thoughts.

One last opinion, you mentioned sponsorships and getting free, inexpensive gear from local vendors.... this is mandatory and would increase the interest significantly as long as the activity was marketed/advertised well. People love to get something for free and that would be a big push to get people out, especially if it was a etrex GPS or something similar. Thanks and good luck. Ed.Zuchini

[yizhe]

Hi EdZuchini

Thanks for your encouragement. What I intend to do is to probably get people to cross-post between my local site and geocaching.com so that their cache can get a larger exposure (where most intl people using geocaching). Will be interested to explore this idea with geocaching.com if they are interested. I need to maintain a local database of cache on my site as I will be implementing new features to this game with the partnership of some sponsors and corporates. (e.g. offering some fun games along with geocaching where the FTF guys might get a free mobile phone). This is the reason why we need to have a local site as the current geocaching site is extremely good, but we just can't implement our own stuff into it.

Majority of my work will be coming up with treasure trails and campaign where the FTF prize will be something worth soaking in the rain, walking 10clicks and fried under our afternoon sun. I will be finding corporate sponsors for these campaign so that people can have a much rewarding treasure hunt (real treasures!) and also organise event similar to geoteaming.

I am thinking of spending a few thousand getting cheap etrax out into singapore to rent to people who love to try out this game and to let school try out this fun and educational activity (e.g. organise a hunt in some nature park where the clues will have to be found by reading about wildlife in the park).

It is really sad to have a good geocacher like you leaving our little island. However, if possible, we may still need your help in the future if were to get the garmin sets from States (they are cheaper there).

I have talked to quite a few people about the ideas in store and have rallied a few friends to help out in this project. Will be coming up with our first event very soon at one of the biggest nature park in singapore.

cheers!

[Ed.Zuchini]

Great info... sounds exciting. I know there have been many sites who have tried to tie their sites with geocaching.com and the people there have had little to no interest. That might prove to be a stumbling block. I do like your game plan and hope to see some of it in action in the near future. Any chance to get something set up before the holidays hit in early November? That would be ideal. If you do, I'll be present to partake in the activities.

Check out gpsgames.org for some interesting variations of geocaching. I have tried geodashing and geogolf when there was nothing new to search for. Both were fun, but I still would much rather look for the 'treasure'.

I agree with many of your statements. I am very driven by the FTF title. FTF prizes would be well worth the search under whatever condition.

I also like your idea to buy some gps units and then rent them out to people wanting to learn about geocaching. If you did this, you would need to be sure it was stationed/available at parks that have great reception, otherwise, someone not understanding fully how the unit works would become frustrated with the lack of signal, etc. Bukit Timah Nature Reserve is VERY hard to keep a signal but there are some awesome trails to explore and three caches to be found. As long as those renting the units had the opportunity to truly experience the 'game' in a positive, rewarding way, I'm sure your idea would be successful.

The other issue (small but still may be an issue) is the lack of digital compass. I don't know how many times I have let my kids or friends use my GPS and they will stop moving and say, "Oh man, the cache is way back THERE!" I have to again remind them to keep moving in order for the GPS to give an accurate direction. However, GPS units with digital compasses would be very expensive, the DC would add about S$100. to the purchase price, but it would give the user a much better experience. Ed.Zuchini

[yizhe]

Ed.Zuchini, on Oct 19 2005, 07:58 AM, said:

Great info... sounds exciting. I know there have been many sites who have tried to tie their sites with geocaching.com and the people there have had little to no interest. That might prove to be a stumbling block. I do like your game plan and hope to see some of it in action in the near future. Any chance to get something set up before the holidays hit in early November? That would be ideal. If you do, I'll be present to partake in the activities.

Check out gpsgames.org for some interesting variations of geocaching. I have tried geodashing and geogolf when there was nothing new to search for. Both were fun, but I still would much rather look for the 'treasure'.

I agree with many of your statements. I am very driven by the FTF title. FTF prizes would be well worth the search under whatever condition.

I also like your idea to buy some gps units and then rent them out to people wanting to learn about geocaching. If you did this, you would need to be sure it was stationed/available at parks that have great reception, otherwise, someone not understanding fully how the unit works would become frustrated with the lack of signal, etc. Bukit Timah Nature Reserve is VERY hard to keep a signal but there are some awesome trails to explore and three caches to be found. As long as those renting the units had the opportunity to truly experience the 'game' in a positive, rewarding way, I'm sure your idea would be successful.

The other issue (small but still may be an issue) is the lack of digital compass. I don't know how many times I have let my kids or friends use my GPS and they will stop moving and say, "Oh man, the cache is way back THERE!" I have to again remind them to keep moving in order for the GPS to give an accurate direction. However, GPS units with digital compasses would be very expensive, the DC would add about S$100. to the purchase price, but it would give the user a much better experience. Ed.Zuchini

Hi there

I will be planning something for the holiday season. Just back from a meetup with a couple of pals and they are giving positive reaction to this. I will be targeting schools to organise geocaching events for them during the holiday so those people can learn geography(map reading), science(clues based on science qns in nature park) and even some new technology(GPS). Best place to get people interested.

I might be hosting one for free to try out the idea. Currently I need to get the final approval from the site owners before I will proceed on full force to push this event out.

Just a check, based on your experience,

-what is the range of people involve in geocaching in singapore?
-do you think school will welcome the idea of this activity (i believe this is a very enriching experience for kids to learn about the wildlife and also learn some navigation skills and problem solving skills)?


Cheers!

[chengsing]

Now i think gonna start the exam period soon also or something.. maybe as one of their holiday activity would be good.
You might also want to try with the school's uniform groups like NCC, NPCC, Scouts etc as some navigation+outdoor session or something.

[javamama]

Hi Yizhe,

Great to see all the new interest in geocaching in Singapore. Personally, I'm not a big fan of local variations of geocaching or more "organization" from local companies or authorities around the game. For me the coolest thing about this game is that it is pretty much a self-organized and regulated community. I love that all I have to do to play this game is go on the web, download a waypoint to my gps and I'm on my way. It lets me play and explore Singapore (and the rest of the world) at my own pace. I also love that anyone who plays can hide a cache. Making this a big competition, making it a time-driven event or putting more rules on cache placements would ruin the fun for me.

Some of the things you're talking about (bigger prizes, corporate sponsorship, specific events, etc) sound a lot more like treasure hunting than geocaching. I know there is a huge, well-organized treasure hunting community in Malaysia that Spa Susi's brother belongs to. Instead of trying to modify geocaching, maybe you should be working to bring treasure hunting to Singapore? I can send you some contact information for the Malaysian group if you're interested.

If geocaching continues to get popular in Singapore, I do expect that at some point the national parks will weigh in and come up with geocaching policy. Perhaps it's good for the local caching community to be proactive and ask them to embrace this game as a healthy activity?

Javamama

[javamama]

Hi Ed,

Sorry to hear you'll be leaving us in December. Please don't completely dispair over the sad state of geocaching back home. I too get frustrated by all the 1*,1* film containers hidden in parking lots, but there are thousands of caches surrounding any US city that are worth hunting for. When I want a real hunt, I just set my query to only send me >2 for both difficulty and terrain. It may mean I need to do a little driving to get to the trailhead, but once there it's almost always worth the effort. The Arizona high-desert is a fabulous place to explore - in winter, of course. I bet you can find some awesome caches there.

Javamama

[genecola]

Hi Yizhe!

Have you done any geocaching on your own yet? I believe if you did, you will love the game and maybe relate to what I've to say. But if you haven't, then maybe it's something to consider doing before planning a project on a big scale. That way, you will realise the importance of preserving the beauty of this sport.

I agreed with javamama that geocaching in Singapore is pretty much a self-organized and regulated community. Most geocachers will share the same sentiments that geocaching is certainly much more than a 'treasure hunting game' with attractive prizes and big organization companies involved on a massive scale.

Other than the thrill of finding a cache, or a dose of healthy first-to-find competition, being at the location itself is always worth much more than the prize on stake. Not to mention the rare occasion of meeting fellow geocachers at caches' sites!

The sport and rules of geocaching has been established at geocaching.com. Having read the rules of the sport extensively before starting the sport myself, it will be good to emphasize some points...

Firstly, geocaching if done improperly without proper knowledge of the game and rules, might actually bring more harm and disturbance to our natural surroundings. Hidding a micro cache in a natural plantation is certainly not a good idea, groups of primary students might do a bushwacking to get to it. Even if the cache is not hidden there, anyone else will still do disturbance if they are desperate enough to reach a cache.

Secondly, the government can easily outlaw this game that we loved as easily as banning chewing gums. Promoting geocaching in Singapore the right way by reaching out to more participants first might be advisable as the first stepping stone before embarking it on a mass level.

If not, we might just find ourselves with film cannister caches sticking onto common lamp-posts just like what Ed had experienced in Arizona.

This post has been edited by genecola: 24 October 2005 - 09:45 PM

[Spa Susi]

Well spoken Genecola. My brother does treasure hunting and he can't understand why I search for silly little toys just for the thrill of the hunt. As I can't understand why he works with corporate sponsors, a fixed schedule and all the rules of treasure-hunting. They are totally different games with totally different objectives and rules. I don't want to participate in a mass geocaching frenzy with school children. I don't want to participate in a treasure hunt for expensive prizes with people who are only there for the money and not for the thrill of the find or appreciation for nature or a good cache placement.

If we had permission from the National Parks that would allow everyone to feel comfortable hiding caches, that would be cool. In the mean time, I'm taking PM Goh's National day speech two years ago to heart, "if it's not explicitly against the rules, then it's ok" as I place my caches. If someone who's never done geocaching and their company get a monopoly on placing caches in Singapore that would be so kiatsu, right... ???

[Ed.Zuchini]

Some AWESOME points made by Javamama, genecola and spa susi. Although I would be happy to participate in activities that promote the 'sport' of geocaching, I don't want to jeopardize the game as it is played today. I would have NEVER found many of the places that geocaching has taken me too had it not been for the caches placed in those areas. It's such a catch-22 in that I'd love to see more interest in the game, more caches to find, but at the same time would that interest actually kill the game. I would agree that I don't want to be fighting a group of school kids (or cub scouts ) in my hunt for a cache.

Thanks Javamama for your encouragement on caching in Arizona. I agree, there are many opportunities for some good, well earned and rewarding cache finds. One I did there in June had me almost on top of a group of three young coyotes. I was scared to death... and the bummer is I was on my way in so I didn't even get to log a find for the cache! There are some great caches there, but there is also WAY to many film canisters with a crumpled up log sheet inside. Singapore, for the most part, has give me a chance to really work for the find... when was the last time you did a cache in Singapore in under ten minutes?? I never have, well, maybe one or two but it's not that often.

I will miss Singapore immensely. I don't want to leave but that's the way the business world works sometimes. I have had 10 wonderful years in this great country and I am thankful that I was introduced to caching here before I returned to the States.

Oh yea, I almost forgot… Javamama, thank you for bringing a jeep into Singapore. I have tried so many times to get my hand on one of those and with yours and PathSeeker’s help I was able to log one.

We need to do an Event Cache before the end of the year. Any good ideas of where we could hold such an activity? Ed-

[erik88l-r]

To add to the sentiments expressed by others here, please understand that not every game played with a GPS is "geocaching". Geocaching is not a commercial endevour, but a game or sport played by individuals or families, both as cache hiders and cache finders.

That is not to say there have not been, and won't continue to be, competitions of all sorts involving the use of a GPS to find hidden objects. Some of these have been conducted by local geocaching clubs, some are put on by for-profit companies. I've participated in such events and have found them to be a lot of fun, but they are not geocaching.

By the very definition of the sport, one cannot hold something analogous to a "geocaching concession" for an area such as Singapore, nor could a private company likely represent the interests of individual geocachers in "negotiating" with public parks or private land owners. Geocaching.com reviews and publishes geocaches based on the assumption that where permission is required permission has been obtained.

If anything of a commercial nature is being considered relative to geocaching, and particularly prior to any commercial "caches" being submitted to the site for consideration, please present the particulars to contact@Groundspeak.com. Please see this link for details.

Best regards,

erik - volunteer geocache reviewer for Singapore

[thsalbert]

I like geocaching because it is freedom, non profit outdoor games. I trick this as game for me in Singapore as well as my travel trip. I love nature and freedom. If it to be commercialised, I will keep my GPS and forget the game. www.geocaching.com web site was so wonderful I like so much. Now I spend most of my free time for it. To bring this game to commercial will finally kill it.

[yizhe]

Hi guys,

Thanks for all the post. I shall make myself clear before proceeding further.

My project (if it is being executed) will be 100% free to the public. There is a chance to include more variant to the game in the future for more fun but the good old geocaching version still stays.

I strongly believe that GeoCaching activities can be further pushed in Singapore thus I will be getting schools to help spread this great game by organising geocaching activities for their students. And also for such activities, it is to increase awareness and to help spread the fun. It is not for public playing thus you won't be fighting with those kids finding treasure. Our goal is just to get those kids know the game and eventually get them into the game just like you and me if they think it's fun. I don't see any problem if more people joins in the game in singapore and we have more caches everywhere.

On another note, regarding the idea of getting site owners to give us permission. It is to be noted that all NParks controlled area and public places, we are not allowed to place any cache without any permission. My goal in my project is to sit down with them and explain to them the merits of geocaching activities for their site and to get them to grant us the permission to place caches in their site freely (but with their guidelines). I believe this is the responsible way to do it.

For information purposes, all the cache listed on geocaching that is located in parks and nature reserve in singapore does not have any permission from NPark themselves.

Cheers and thannks!

[javamama]

Hi Yizhe,

I appreciate your clarification, but I must admit that I still have some objections to your post.

First, as erik, the Singapore administrator for geocaching.com points out, privately organized gps treasure hunting events are not geocaching. I think it's fantastic if you want to get Singapore kids out in the woods doing some kind of gps treasure hunt. But, please remember these organized activities are not geocaching. Geocaching is the trademark name for caches that are placed and posted on the Groundspeak website. Groundspeak has successfully prosecuted a number of cases of people infringing on their trademark. Singapore is well know for their strong enforcement of international patent and trademark laws so I think you should beware of trying to call what you're doing geocaching without having explicit permission from Groundspeak.

Second, either you missed the PM Goh national day speech that Spa Susi referred to in her post, or you have access to a set of National Park rules that are not available to the general public. PM Goh's message at his last national day was that the new policy in Singapore is that if it's not explicitly prohibited, it should be assumed to be ok. I took that to heart and I read over the Singapore National Parks rules that are posted on all of their signboards, on their website and I even went so far as to read the Parks and Trees Act and Parks and Trees Regulations of 2005. I didn't see anywhere in the rules that geocaching is prohibited so I took PM Goh's advice and hid my first Singapore geocache in a public park in an area that did not risk damaging wildlife or the environment. If PM Goh said I don't need permission, I'm not going to ask for permission.

If you go and find some geocaches in Singapore, you will see that the caches in Singapore National Parks are similarly well placed so as to minimize environmental impact or off-trail activity. I believe that most of the active Singapore cachers are nature lovers who love this game because it takes us to the few green spaces that exist on this little, urban island. The last thing we want to do is damage the environment.

So, please don't act like you're doing the local geocaching community a favor by asking for permission for us to do geocaching in Singapore parks. At best, we are allowed to continue to do something we've been doing without any issues or objections. At worst, there are new restrictions on the game that make it less fun for the people here who play this game.

Javamama

[javamama]

Hey Ed,

On to better topics. Yes, we must try to pull together an Ed and family farewell event cache. You've been too important to building up the local game for us to let you go without a sendoff. What is a good weekend for you? I don't know if I could ever put together an event that matches the fun it sounds like you all had at the picnic Nations pulled together, but I'm willing to give it a go.

Javamama

[genecola]

That will be great! Some pot luck and a well deserved sending off for Ed.

[Ed.Zuchini]

Thanks Javamama, that is far too kind. Actually, I'm not much for the 'going away' type get together. I never know what to say and I'd probably end up all teary-eyed <grin>. Let's throw out ideas for an event cache location and then pick the one that works best. I'm around every weekend until we depart late December. We have been traveling the past two weekends so we are settled for awhile now. Thanks again! Ed-

This post has been edited by Ed.Zuchini: 30 October 2005 - 05:49 AM

[Team Dragon]

I'm glad to see caching in S'pore has taken off the way it has and I wish I had been able to contribute more than three.

Ed, the Phoenix area certainly has taken the LUNCH (Lame Urban No-Thought Cache Hide) to extreme levels but there are a number of HIGHLY creative caches out there as well as solid rural caches. You may want to check out www.azgeocaching.com for a very active AZ Geocaching community complete with mailing list and web site with all sorts of sortable stats. There aren't many areas that provide a high number of caches that meet the desires for many types of people like AZ does. Sure, the LUNCHes aren't clever but they're often good for wheelchair bound people while the various mountains nearby have rugged terrain that will make you forget those five minute finds.

If it weren't for the diving here in the Philippines, yes, a SCUBA cache is in the works, I'd be very jealous. As it is, I'm looking forward to seeing how caching has morphed since my last trip to S'pore. Don't let me down, guys!

This post has been edited by Team Dragon: 01 November 2005 - 04:54 AM

[javamama]

I'm back from my trip to Sri Lanka and ready to plan a caching event. Ok Ed, it won't be a farewell, just a get together for all Singapore cachers old and new. I'll be away the last weeked in November and the first weekend in December. How does the weekend of 17 Dec work for you and your family?

Anyone else out there want to help put this event together? I missed the first Singapore geocaching event hosted by Nations, but I heard it was very well planned and fun for all. Some help to make this event equally memorable would be appreciated.

Team Dragon - How about taking some time away from diving to hide a few more caches in or near Manilla? I've got a friend there who keeps bugging Spa Susi and me to come visit. Some cool new caches in the area would be great enticement to make the trip.

[Ed.Zuchini]

Our home will be in the 'packing' stage on the 17th but if we have it later in the afternoon... like around 4:00 pm or so I'll make it work. Thanks Javamama.... how can I help?? Ed-

[kumpungboy]

Hi everyone,

I'm planning to bring my kids out for some geocaching fun.

Need some recommendations on:
1) A not too expensive GPS unit for beginner
2) Where to get the best bargain

Thanks in advance.
Kumpungboy

[Ed.Zuchini]

kumpungboy, on Nov 8 2005, 07:10 PM, said:

Hi everyone,

I'm planning to bring my kids out for some geocaching fun.

Need some recommendations on:
1) A not too expensive GPS unit for beginner
2) Where to get the best bargain

Thanks in advance.
Kumpungboy

Kumpungboy,

Glad to hear that you will be caching soon... it's great fun with the family, but be sure to read the description of the cache and logs of previous cachers who have found the cache before taking kids who are too young.

1. the Garmin eTrex is the cheapest GPS unit I know of and it's great for geocaching. If all you will be using it for is caching the eTrex is your best value for money.

2. the best I have found is....

Perfect Watch & Electronics
1, Rochor Canal Rd
#01-36, Sim Lim Sq
Singapore 188504
Phone : (65-) 63398638 Fax : (65-) 63397156

They will bargin well and I have come close to U.S. prices.... good luck Ed.

[genecola]

kumpungboy, on Nov 8 2005, 07:10 PM, said:

Hi everyone,

I'm planning to bring my kids out for some geocaching fun.

Need some recommendations on:
1) A not too expensive GPS unit for beginner
2) Where to get the best bargain

Thanks in advance.
Kumpungboy

Hi! I got my Garmin Etrex Yellow at Sim Lim Towers for $210, local 1 year warranty set. This is enough for geocaching.

[kumpungboy]

Hi Ed & Genecola,

Thanks for the info and advise.
Looks like my 1st 'hunting' trip will be in the direction of Rochor...ha! ha!

[metrohomme]

Just dropping by to say hi to the SG Geocaching Community!

By the way, to buy a GARMIN eTrex, you might wanna consider a shop called Overseas Communication Pte Ltd (or something like that) at Sim Lim Square.

I got my GARMIN eTrex for S$190 there.

[metrohomme]

Anyone knows any economical way to purchase TBs in S'pore? I've looked thru' overseas websites. The order plus shipping seems to add up to quite a bomb.

[genecola]

Perhaps we can do a mass order to save up on shipping?

[Ed.Zuchini]

metrohomme, on Nov 25 2005, 08:36 PM, said:

Anyone knows any economical way to purchase TBs in S'pore? I've looked thru' overseas websites. The order plus shipping seems to add up to quite a bomb.

All... I have extra TB tags I'd be willing to sell. Let me know if you are interested and we can discuss how to get them to you. Ed-

[genecola]

Ed: How many TBs do you have? Reserve 2 for me!

[metrohomme]

Ed: I was thinking of getting my hands on 2 TBs first. []

[genecola]

See you guys on sat for Ed's farewell!!

[javamama]

I always go on an online ordering spree before each trip for stuff that's expensive to ship to Singapore. Travel bugs are easy to carry so I would be happy to bring some back if people are interested in saving on shipping costs. I won't be going again until Feb-March, but if you're not in a hurry, I'd be happy to bring back some bugs.

[chengsing]

just a note..
i have previously managed to get myself a garmin geko ( the older version of etrex) at simlim tower b1 for around $160..

[alyee]

If you guys have a more "expensive" Garmin GPS unit, with mapping features, you can get some free full routable maps of Singapore and M'sia at http://www.malsingmaps.com/

[adrC]

Hey anyone interested in doing "Walk thru the Woods" together??? Long walk so looking for companions.

Cheers!
AdrC

[IndianaJanes]

Happy New Year !!!!!!!

[metrohomme]

Hello JM, I'm interested to get TBs of my own. Can I ask of your help?

adrC: Would love to go for A Walk Thru' the Woods. Any date you're looking at? Wanna check my schedule first.

Also, waiting for a chance to go to Turtle Island and Brothers Island for the caches there. "

Happy New Year to All!

[thsalbert]

Walk thro the wood there are two way to do. 1) As described and you follow the instructions which need few hours to complete. 2) Just fellow the coordinate. reach the GZ and get it. But it was a very good hide out. Good luck to adrc and metrohomme.
I am interesting for brother and Kusu Island caches but will plan to do on Feb 06 because on mid Jan 06 I will be caching in Thailand.
Happy NEW YEAR AND GEOCACHING!

[chengsing]

Happy new year to all of ya!

[adrC]

Walk Thru the Woods Walk. Looking at this wkend either Sat or Sunday (7th or 8th). So far got metrohomme, thebengz and tx0212 interested. Date and time not confirmed so let me know if anyone else interested.

Cheers!
AdrC

This post has been edited by adrC: 01 January 2006 - 08:49 PM

[adrC]

thsalbert > I'm interested in the Turtle and Kusu Island cache too. As long as we taking ferry and not swimming there... Keep me posted!!!

[atc]

Hi,

For the Kusu Island, I couldn't find GCQ4M4 "The Earth on Turtle's Back". People going there might want to contact the cache owner (benruth) beforehand and if necessary bring a replacement cache just in case. In any case, the "other" cache is still there, so at least you won't go empty handed if you do your "homework"!

[chengsing]

A very happy chinese new year to all geocachers!

just a note.. would it be good if we start a "contact list" for our GCs here?
hp or msn for eg..?