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Naked & Nude Geocaching - An Apology And A Fig Leaf Placing caches for those who prefer to cache without either tools and/

#1 User is offline   Jango & Boba Fett 

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  Posted 02 May 2006 - 01:30 AM

We had not realised that a tongue in cheek postscript to a comment on the Cryptik Soul Crew’s “Logging A Find: ... without finding everything” was going to generate any e-mailed correspondence. So in response to our correspondents may we offer our sincere apologies to all those who prefer to cache au naturelle. We do accept that caching without the artificial aid of either tools and/or togs must indeed be a great challenge, and had not realised that there were so many who still hold to the 1930s ideals of health and efficiency.

As an olive branch (should that be fig leaf) we would be prepared to consider placing the first cache of a Naked and Nude friendly co-operative series along the lines of Motorway Madness, and if anyone else wishes to join in then you might find yourselves having to go a little less distance than to Muha 3 - Nacktcachen (GCPEFX). Thank you to “nudecacher” for pointing out the existing bookmark of caches which can be done without togs nude friendly caches .

Given the nature of the British climate and the gently caressing nature of hawthorne, bramble and nettle our working title for this homage to “Motorway Madness” is “The Naked and the Dead!” Our working conditions for a cache to qualify as a member of “The Naked and the Dead” are:

1) The cache must be doable by a Naked Cacher (caching without the aid of GPS, compass or map) who is prepared to expend considerable effort in textural analysis to decrypt the subtle nuances of tone and content in the cache description. Simple give away hints and/or walk to the cache descriptions not allowed.

2) At least part of the route to the cache must be legally doable by a Nude Cacher (caching without the aid of clothing).

3) All caches will only be placed with the approval of the landowner and the GAGB in the frank knowledge that some cachers may choose to do it au naturelle.

4) A cache would immediately be removed/not be placed should a report about family unfriendly activities be reported by the naturist community.

5) All cache locations must be accessible by the public, even if that means you have to visit as a mixed couple or family [as a Naked Cacher pointed out their top to do cache is in a missile silo in which you must visit as a pair, under armed guard, and you only get 5 minutes access to the final location].

6) The cache hider is not expected to abide by Conditions 1 and 2 while placing the cache; although one of us (Yoda the GeoHound) would like to point out that he always caches au naturelle.

We already know some of your interesting private views but would invite you to post here in public instead, before we are driven to go anonymous.

Constructive comments only are invited on:

+ a more cacher friendly series title than “The Naked and the Dead”
+ whether these guidlines are sufficient
+ offers to participate in placing a cache for Naked and Nude cachers
+ existing caches that meet the conditions for Naked and Nude caching
+ your experience of either Naked and/or Nude caching/cachers

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 01:50 AM

:unsure: OK- have a few ideas...

Know at least one local cacher who would be up for a bit of nude caching (so to speak... ;) )

One question though?

since we are in Scotland - land of heather clad hillsides, home of the midge..

....can we get dispensation for gaiters and slaverings of midge repellant?

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 01:56 AM

View PostTeam Clova, on May 2 2006, 01:50 AM, said:

;) OK- have a few ideas...

Know at least one local cacher who would be up for a bit of nude caching (so to speak... B) )

One question though?

since we are in Scotland - land of heather clad hillsides, home of the midge..

....can we get dispensation for gaiters and slaverings of midge repellant?



Not to mention the ticks in the Heather?

The temparature up the hills?

Cache would have to be very carefully placed, attempted a cache yesterday, down a muddy slope, surrounded by gorse, Hawthorne, and waist high nettles???

Mind you, plenty of remote lochs for skinny dipping? :unsure:

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 02:19 AM

+ a more cacher friendly series title than “The Naked and the Dead”
Naked Lunch(Box Hunt) - TupperBare™ - Buff in the Rough

+ whether these rules are sufficient
Guidelines, surly? :unsure:

+ offers to participate in placing a cache for Naked and Nude cachers
Been there, done that, failed to wear the t-shirt ;)

+ existing caches that meet the conditions for Naked and Nude caching
Anything remote and open enough so you can hide from 'textiles' if you see any coming. The quieter bits of any moors and mountains really. One thing, does naked include shoes? There's not many places away from sandy beaches I'd like to go shoeless.

+ your experience of either Naked and/or Nude caching/cachers
I set one of mine slightly naked. There's a photo somewhere... I've also heard of cachers having 'meet the meat' moments with naked ramblers.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 02:53 AM

View PostSimply Paul, on May 2 2006, 02:19 AM, said:

+ a more cacher friendly series title than “The Naked and the Dead”
Naked Lunch(Box Hunt) - TupperBare™ - Buff in the Rough

+ whether these rules are sufficient
Guidelines, surly? :unsure:


Point taken and changed. Rather like the TupperBare™ idea though this seems to emphasise the lack of clothing over the lack of GPS/compass/map part. At leat your comments are more to the point than our previous emails.

Aware that in the remote wilds no one is there to see you, and so you can choose to go hunting sans any artifical aid to navigation or midges, and am aware of the hardy nature of Scots (I learnt to ice scake in shorts and T-shirt at Aberdeen ice rink). This is more about caching in/near areas where naturalism is allowed rather than ,perhaps, doing/suggesting that someone carry out what might (although case law is confused, unless of course you are Steve Gough trying to rambler naked through Ross & Cromarty) be considered a criminal act.

B) woops better get those off ;) ahh that's better!

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 04:51 AM

I thought all caches had to be family friendly? Making a cache that promotes nudity is not family friendly!
That really is the only thing I can see against the concept. :unsure:

SP it looks like Nudecacher is the example being used for this idea, and he keeps his socks and trainers on.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 06:15 AM

View PostHaggis Hunter, on May 2 2006, 04:51 AM, said:

I thought all caches had to be family friendly? Making a cache that promotes nudity is not family friendly!
That really is the only thing I can see against the concept.


As we stated in the first post, this thread is to provide some relief to our poor mailbox, and to say that, whilst two of us are committed textiles (Yoda objects strongly to being strapped into his dog coat even in the worst of weather) we are neither strongly pro nor anti the concepts of either:

NAKED CACHING - ie without GPS, Map or Compass, or

NUDE CACHING - ie without clothes (given the provisos we have already stated, and that we're not forced to take part)

nudecacher of all our correspondents at least had the decency to provide us with both positive comment and an e-mail return address, unlike some - even if we assume their suggestions were made in jest. Have a look at our Guideline 4; perhaps HH can tell us how he polices his pro-textile views on cachers who attempt his Armchair Caches?

Sorry to jump on you Haggis Hunter, it's not personal but having already awoken a small "if vocal" community we don't want to start our inbox pinging again with stongly worded e-mails because we are providing a forum for extreme textile views. And why is it that no one has posted so far on Naked Caching, is it a crime to go caching without that little Garmin or Gecko to cover your embarrassment?

So go on HH there's the challenge, address yourself to the issue of naked cachers - is it family friendly if you can't distract the kids by getting them to hold the GPS, fold the map, .....

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 06:40 AM

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 07:50 AM

Thanks, Chae, I love it. Wished I had the resources to fly over for an event to kick it off. ;)

One point for the detractor though, check with any naturist/nudist group and you will see that social nudity is a family friendly activity and that children are appreciated and well cared for. Children make natural nudists. But I pun. :unsure:

To think otherwise ignores the 200 million years of evolution of the species. We've only been constrained by clothing for the past 5000 years, an extremely recent occurrence.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 09:03 AM

Recently? I had my tea recently (Spaghetti Bolognaise, very nice too). 5000 years is a long time when you can't remember what you were doing last Tuesday. To me, an invention which has survived 5000 years has pretty much stood the test of time.

Besides, I need the pockets. I haven't evolved holders for my Geko, iPaq, iPod and Ixus.

I have to go, my tongue seems to be stuck to my cheek.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 09:24 AM

View PostJango & Boba Fett, on May 2 2006, 03:15 PM, said:

View PostHaggis Hunter, on May 2 2006, 04:51 AM, said:

I thought all caches had to be family friendly? Making a cache that promotes nudity is not family friendly!
That really is the only thing I can see against the concept.


As we stated in the first post, Haggis Hunter , this thread is to provide some relief to our poor mailbox, and to say that whilst two of us are committed textiles (Yoda objects strongly to being strapped into his dog coat even in the worst of weather) we are not strongly anti the concepts of either:

NAKED CACHING - ie without GPS, Map or Compass, or

NUDE CACHING - ie without clothes (given the provisos we have already stated, and that we're not forced to take part)

nudecacher of all our correspondents at least had the decency to provide us with both positive comment and an e-mail return address, unlike some - even if we assume their suggestions were made in jest. I would point out to Haggis Hunter our Guideline 4 and would direct him there. Perhaps he could then enlighten us as to how he polices his views on cachers who attempt his Armchair Caches?

Sorry to jump on you Haggis Hunter but having already awoken a small "if vocal" community we don't want to start our inbox pinging again because we are providing a forum for extreme textile views. And why is it that no one has posted so far on Naked Caching, is it a crime to go caching without that little Garmin or Gecko to cover your embarrassment?

So go on Haggis Hunter there's the challenge, address yourself to the issue of naked cachers - is it family friendly if you can't distract the kids by getting them to hold the GPS, fold the map, .....

EXCUSE ME FOR PUTTING OVER ONE SMALL POINT OF VIEW!!!!

Did you miss the part were I said - That really is the only thing I can see against the concept.

No wonder your inbox is pinging if that is how you address people?

For the record, I do not have one single armchair cache on my account, I do however have a bookmark list for those people that like them. I don't need to police it, as all the caches have owners, who are aware the list exists and their cache is on it.

:unsure: ;) B)

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 09:34 AM

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Besides, I need the pockets. I haven't evolved holders for my Geko, iPaq, iPod and Ixus.
KiwiGary has got around this by being a marsupial

I've NAKED!-cached, as you define it. My first five finds were done with the info on the cache page alone. I didn't even have a pen with me, but as it turns out all the caches had one, as I wasn't looking for micros. I've found other caches without GPS since. Either through not feeling like I needed to turn it on, or the batteries going flat. It's not cheating. Indeed, having caches which can be done without GPS gets players into the sport without having to buy a handset first. They're a good thing. Having the skill to find them is also to be encouraged as GPSr batteries can go flat at any time!

I dispute the 5000 year figure for textiles though. Anthropologists say our ancestors were wearing animal skins for warmth anything up to 100,000 years ago. Perhaps the difference comes in the definition of clothing. A woven item is cloth, and therefor can be worn as clothing. A skin is a skin - but is it clothing?

A final thought: Do most people look better naked or clothed? Discuss :unsure: ;)

Edited for... misleading signals!

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 09:43 AM

View PostSimply Paul, on May 2 2006, 06:34 PM, said:


I've nude-cached, as you define it. My first five finds were done with the info on the cache page alone. I didn't even have a pen with me, but as it turns out all the caches had one, as I wasn't looking for micros. I've found other caches without GPS since. Either through not feeling like I needed to turn it on, or the batteries going flat.

A final thought: Do most people look better naked or clothed? Discuss :unsure: B)


PLEASE tell me you meant that you've naked-cached SP! ;) B) Otherwise I have an image of just you and your banana... B) B)

Oh, and MOST people look better clothed, although there are some obvious exceptions.... Not that I object to anyone's preferred attire - unless its white socks!

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 10:00 AM

I did mean naked and changed my post as soon as I noticed my error. :unsure:

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 10:05 AM

View PostSimply Paul, on May 2 2006, 07:00 PM, said:

I did mean naked and changed my post as soon as I noticed my error. :unsure:


phew!! ;) B)

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 11:16 AM

I was a naked cacher for the first 6 months of my caching career. I managed to find about 20 caches before I began to get frustrated and bought a GPS!

Since then, the technology that I use has only increased! I won't go back to nakedness now. :unsure:

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  Posted 02 May 2006 - 11:27 AM

View PostHaggis Hunter, on May 2 2006, 09:24 AM, said:


For the record, I do not have one single armchair cache on my account, I do however have a bookmark list for those people that like them. I don't need to police it, as all the caches have owners, who are aware the list exists and their cache is on it.

:unsure: ;) B)


OK folks who's up for a mass Nude Virtual Cachers Event at HH's Armchair Caches B) Please no need to post photo's to prove you were there in cyberspace! LOL B) B)

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 11:38 AM

As HH said, they're not his caches, they're a list of other people's. And they're regarded as 'armchair' caches by their owners... which is fair enough.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 11:50 AM

View PostHaggis Hunter, on May 2 2006, 01:51 PM, said:

I thought all caches had to be family friendly? Making a cache that promotes nudity is not family friendly!
That really is the only thing I can see against the concept. B)

SP it looks like Nudecacher is the example being used for this idea, and he keeps his socks and trainers on.


It's many years since we walked along Shell Bay beach near Poole harbour in Dorset ...but last time we did there were plenty of families there getting an all over suntan .
We just happened to be walking from the Sandbanks ferry to Studland Bay and the nature of the beach had slipped our memory .
Think 11year old son found it quite educational .

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 12:30 PM

View PostSimply Paul, on May 2 2006, 06:34 PM, said:

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Besides, I need the pockets. I haven't evolved holders for my Geko, iPaq, iPod and Ixus.
KiwiGary has got around this by being a marsupial



but........ isn't NZ a country with no native mammals....and don't the marsupials come from Australia! :ph34r: As a fellow kiwi I spent a lot of time pointing out to the not-so-little people I taught after I moved out here (geographers at that) that calling me an aussie is the geographical/mileage equivalent of calling a Brit a German (although I haven't worked out the exact mileage)! B) But then again I may have misinterpreted your comment....if so....................

But - back on topic......... naked caching is great stuff! A real feeling of achievement is got from a good naked-cache find. Our first find was a naked cache find and made me feel it might be worthwhile nagging MJB until he bought me a proper GPSr for my birthday (he didn't....but that is another story). Having caches which can be done naked (as opposed to nude) is great as it enables people to test the sport!

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 12:57 PM

View PostSimply Paul, on May 2 2006, 11:38 AM, said:

As HH said, they're not his caches, they're a list of other people's. And they're regarded as 'armchair' caches by their owners... which is fair enough.


What is this with the armchair caching bit. Didn’t you get the joke HH & SP.

Here we go for the hard of humouring - if someone is sitting in the privacy of their own home who knows whether they are naked caching, nude caching or using the combined resources of NORAD and NASA to get submillimetre accuracies. The joke is about not knowing what people are wearing of an evening at home. As we said in a heads up by e-mail to HH explaing that we were only jumped on his posted comments, not as a personal attack, but because we had recieved some really nasty anonymous e-mails in response to a tongue in cheek comment on Cryptik Soul Crew’s “Logging A Find: ... without finding everything” and started this thread [as a kind of put up or shut up to our anonymous e-mailer(s)].

On the subject of armchair caching we have no problem with it and indeed have had a private exchange with HH to tell him why his Armchair Cache Bookmark list is such a wonderful resource. So hopefully there will be no more barbed posts from Jango and HH’s, after all we don't want you thinking we're up for the Victor Meldrew GOG award ...

Anyway just tugging my white sports socks off as we speak ..... :ph34r: :ph34r: B)

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 01:37 PM

Oh right. Thanks for the explanation. It's funny now B)

Edit to say I have family in Oz and do know the difference between Australia and New Zealand, I promise! And while NZ has no indigenous marsupials, the islands do have lots of imported ones, including the Possum which has become something of a pest. It does have some native mammals - Bats and Seals. :ph34r:

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 02:18 PM

View PostSimply Paul, on May 2 2006, 10:37 PM, said:


And while NZ has no indigenous marsupials, the islands do have lots of imported ones, including the Possum which has become something of a pest. It does have some native mammals - Bats and Seals. :ph34r:


you're not kidding....many a night i was kept awake as a teen by possums fighting in the roof space above my bed - horrible noise. It's a sport over there.... combining cars and possums! (or it was among some people....... B) )

you know - all that time over there i didn't know that bats and seals were native. I saw many seals but can't remember seeing bats...got all excited at seeing them when I moved here tho!

Anyway - back on topic...where's that armchair caching list, I take it I can do them both naked and nude? :ph34r:


Edited to add: curiosity got the better of me...apparently the only indigenous mammals are bats, seals were imported .....or so my old friend google told me.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 08:31 PM

interesting idea...

clothes....surely we've all been wearing them ever since the snake convinced eve to do the business with the apple? so that was only a few days after creation!!! :laughing:

trust me clothes are not an option for me
a. i'd freeze to death five mins after getting out of the car
b. i'd cause too much of a scare, bright white/blue skeleton holding a gps!!!

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 10:58 PM

View PostJango & Boba Fett, on May 2 2006, 09:57 PM, said:

View PostSimply Paul, on May 2 2006, 11:38 AM, said:

As HH said, they're not his caches, they're a list of other people's. And they're regarded as 'armchair' caches by their owners... which is fair enough.


What is this with the armchair caching bit. Didn’t you get the joke HH & SP.

Here we go for the hard of humouring - if someone (HH or SP say) is sitting in the privacy of their own home who knows whether they are naked caching, nude caching or using the combined resources of NORAD and NASA to get submillimetre accuracies. The joke is about not knowing what people are wearing of an evening at home. I even sent HH a heads up by e-mail explaining what kind of anonymous e-mails we had received and going into more detail on why I started this thread [as a kind of put up or shut up to our anonymous e-mailer(s)].

On the subject of armchair caching I have no problem with it and in the same e-mail gave HH a very personal account of why his Armchair Cache Bookmark list is such a wonderful resource. So you have to read HH’s post in the light of all that ...

Anyway just tugging my white sports socks off as we speak ..... :ph34r: :laughing: :laughing:

Thank you for the explanation, I would however like to point out that I have only received one email off of you, and that was several hours after your comments on my bookmark list, and was sent after I made my reply.
You have implied in your email to me that you had sent another one before hand, I can assure you that I have only received one email and no PM's from you. I will reply to your email later, as I need to get ready to leave for my radio interview at the moment.

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Posted 03 May 2006 - 02:25 AM

View Postmjbvbjjb, on May 2 2006, 11:18 PM, said:

Edited to add: curiosity got the better of me...apparently the only indigenous mammals are bats, seals were imported .....or so my old friend google told me.
In a John Cleese voice: "Couldn't the seals have swum there? Perhaps by holding a length of seaweed strung between two dolphins? They could twist it around their dorsal fins..."

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Posted 03 May 2006 - 04:15 AM

After a couple of emails it appears that wires may have been crossed, all is well again in the world of Geocaching :laughing: :laughing:

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  Posted 05 May 2006 - 03:55 PM

:P Thanks for all you're comments, and an excuse from HH to spend a morning inflicting Radio Scotland on the fine folk of Norfolk. We are planning our Tupperbare™ Cache - Norfolk Au Naturelle, it is in the pipeline, a real corker of a multi/puzzle with of course that slight twist (and if we wait until November then we might just be able to keep warm while we place it). Beautiful location in an extensive conservation area, safe, child friendly and with no flytipping, speeding cars or other undesirables. However to find the final cache you will either have to go hunting with the family or a member of the other gender (nice alliteration don't you think). :)

Oh yes and rumours of some rather cheeky comments in the chatroom have reached the far east, even from those lurking in Wales, would it be possible to have the tar and feathers in separate bags? :ph34r:

Enough discusion of these matters so almost time to close this thread down, but we'll keep a look out for any other Tupperbare™ caches popping up round the country, make a change from Motorway Madness. :D

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