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Does your foot hurt first thing in the morning? Mine did, but doesn't now.

#1 User is offline   drsolly 

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 07:33 AM

The moment I stood up in the morning, my feet hurt. Quite a lot.

I thought it was part of getting old; maybe my bones settling in after the hours of horizintality, or something like that? And the pain faded after a few minutes, so I didn't do anything about it.

Then, last August, at an event, I was shocked to find that my left foot hurt so much, it was a major pain to keep up with other cachers. I left it a couple of days, then I went to the doctor (my doctorate isn't medical). He wiggled and waggled my foot, and told me I was suffering from Plantar Fasciitis, which meant nothing to me, and gave me some stretching exercises on a sheet of paper. And he told me to stay off my feet as much as I could, for a while, because this was an overuse issue. I've been caching too much! And lose weight.

I did the stretches, a bit. Probably not as much as I should have. No, definitely not as much. And I cut down on the walking a little bit, but not much. Fewer long multis. I didn't lose much weight.

The pain, of course, persisted, although not as bad as at its peak.

Then, on a thread in this forum, I posted that what I wanted for Christmas, as a new Plantar Fascia. Absurd, of course, you can't buy them on Ebay! But it led me to think a bit. Maybe not a new foot-part, but maybe ...

I did some research. The Plantar Fascia is a bunch of tendons that link the heel to the pad of the foot .

http://en.wikipedia....antar_fasciitis

What really amazed me, after doing some research, was the way that all the diagnoses I read, remarked on that "first steps of the day heel pain", which so exactly matched what I was getting. And that made me wonder, why would this be?

So I did some more research. It seems that, during the night, things heal up, but because the foot is so relaxed, things heal up with tendons that are in the relaxed position, and it's when you stretch them first thing in the day that you get the pain, because it sort of pulls at it. There's probably a medical term for this.

The Wiki also mentioned various ways to help. Some of them I didn't fancy - injections of this or that, and surgery. It's not that bad. But it also suggested "night splints", and that made a lot of sense to me.

A night splint is a plastic thingy, that holds the foot in the sort of position it's in when you're standing on it, the foot is held at right angles to the leg. It seemed to me that there was no downside to trying this idea, so I ordered one. I also ordered a couple of gel heel pads to go inside my boot - again, I don't see a downside to trying this out.

I've worn the night splint a couple of nights now. Note - don't make the straps too tight, or you wake up in the morning with a very red top-of-foot. And it advises that you shouldn't walk with it on. Well, I'm telling you, walking with it on is almost impossible, even that dozen steps that people of our age sometimes *need* to make in the middle of the night. But it's easy to take off and put back on.

So, I'm relating this tale because this is a painful condition, it isn't a rare condition, and cachers do a lot of walking, so there might be other folks here with this problem.

As I say, I've only used the night splints a couple of nights so far, and the effect has been dramatic. But I don't know what the long term effects will be. I'm planning to use it for a couple of weeks, then tail off the night splint usage, and see what the result is.

If you want to buy night splints, google "Plantar Fasciitis". I paid 35 for mine.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 08:04 AM

Dear Dr. Solly :(

This pain, is it in your heal or the arch (the bit just in front of the heel) of your foot?

Jon.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 08:45 AM

I had exactly the same thing. I went to the doctor about it and they gave me a set of exercises to do - which have helped hugely. In fact, I can't remember the last time I had pain in the mornings.

The other thing that helped was to make sure I wore shoes with plenty of arch support. Something I must bear in mind - as I need to buy some new walking boots.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 09:06 AM

I've had this too. My recipie for success:

Most important: Good fitting, comfortable shoes (I took to wearing my trail shoes almost everywhere as they are so comfy).
Exercises (trying to pick up coins using toes while keeping heel on the ground, and grasping a towel with toes - you will find them on the web).
Stretching: Achilles, gastrocs/soleus. Again look on the web. Don't stretch cold muscles. Don't bounce.

Coincidentally I was also doing tons of gym work in rehab from a knee op which probably helped.

By the way, having recovered from various injuries - some well and some not so well - my advice is: don't skimp on the stretching and physio exercises. They may be boring and at times undignified but keep at it.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 09:07 AM

 Dakar4x4, on Nov 16 2007, 08:04 AM, said:

Dear Dr. Solly :(

This pain, is it in your heal or the arch (the bit just in front of the heel) of your foot?

Jon.


Mostly the heel, but it sort of spreads itself about a bit.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 09:09 AM

Blimey.

This sounds like what I have got. (As well as bad grammar!)

I'll look into it. Although the overweight bit certainly rings true in my case.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 09:38 AM

I have suffered with this for a while, not bad enough to go to the Doc's but still a pain in the......

I bought a new pair of walking boots from a specialist a few weeks ago, had a proper fitting and walked up and down a ramp etc., the shop owner also suggested I wore them about the house for a few evenings and if they wern't comfortable I could take them back.

They really does seemed to have helped so far, and while not cheap they seem to be well worth the money.

Odd how when something is mentioned others have the same problems, now about the weight loss bit :(

H

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 09:39 AM

I'm available to give piggybacks at a very reasonable rate. :(

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 09:49 AM

 Simply Paul, on Nov 16 2007, 09:39 AM, said:

I'm available to give piggybacks at a very reasonable rate. :laughing:

Really???

Might take you up on that in June :(

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 10:59 AM

And there was me thinking I was the only Geocacher with this problem! Fortunately some arch supports helped after a few months and I'm OK again mow.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 11:10 AM

i get it to,keep walking,it goes away

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 11:45 AM

I could probably help a little here. Now.... what do I need?

Ah yes.... Eye of newt, blood of bat........... :( :laughing:

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 12:40 PM

I've had a similar problem for over a year now. :( Not quite the same as it doesn't get worse first thing in the morning.

I have hiked nearly 300 miles along a long distance footpath in that time though, as well as all the geocaching, football, golf and stuff. So I guess it's down to over-use. This exercise lark is just not healthy!

Dr. Solly reminds me of Doc Morrissey (in the excellent Reginald Perrin comedy)... :laughing: Can't you treat yourself?

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 12:58 PM

 Happy Humphrey, on Nov 16 2007, 12:40 PM, said:


Dr. Solly reminds me of Doc Morrissey (in the excellent Reginald Perrin comedy)... :( Can't you treat yourself?


Yes, I can, provided my problem is anything to do with Kalman Filtering. For medical stuff, I go to a medical-type doctor.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 02:54 PM

I don't suffer with this, but I do get a nasty itching sensation if I haven't been out caching for a couple of weeks. The only way I can get rid of it, is to scratch that itch. :(

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 04:11 PM

I went through a phase of suffering with this, as did my dad, Mr Sandiway Searcher.

Resting mine worked, but to this day, if I walk more than say 5 or 6 miles, it tends to flare up.

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 12:27 PM

Being an ex-grunt I put it down to overusage and just getting old, but glad I read this bit and that it can be helped if not cured, so I am off to see the Doc and see what she can do for me.

Thanks folks :(

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 01:21 PM

Laydees get this too! I had it a few years ago and it was very painful. The quack offered me steroid injections into my foot. I polite declined. She then offered me acupuncture. I had my course of acupuncture and towards the end the course of masochism, the condition went away. Yay!

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  Posted 18 November 2007 - 07:23 PM

Hi Fellow Geocachers,

Greetings from across the pond! I saw this topic heading and my attention was immediately caught. I've been through the same thing. There's another stretching exercise that I read about in the L.A. Times A Foot Hold That Spurs Healing.

I wore sandals and ran about barefoot a lot. NO arch support there!

A couple important things my physician told me . . .

Arch Support! Real arch support. Not just those auqa-sole wedge things you can buy at the drug store. I have a VERY high arch and needed something that gave a LOT of arch support. I am using some molded plastic inserts, but am thinking about going to a podiatrist (foot doctor) to get fitted with some proper arch supports (called orthotics).

Walking about for an hour without arch support, can undo six weeks of recovery/healing.

After being up and about on your feet, take a couple of plastic water bottles that you previously put in the freezer, and froze. Wearing your socks, roll the frozen water bottles under your feet, from heel to toe and back.

Feeling your pain . . .

JohnTee

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 01:10 AM

This caught my eye as I've had a similar problem with foot pain. Had knee surgery about 5 years ago and this has had a knock on effect to other parts of the body with various muscle imbalances, the foot problem was very painful. Having lost faith in my GP I went to a podiatrist, had a bio-mechanical assessment and had custom orthotics/inserts made, I use them in all my shoes now, not cheap but worth every penny, tend to only wear walking/running shoes now but along with exercises the problem did go away.

Donna

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 09:13 AM

I've had it too, the cure is arch supports, stretching exercises and time, this injury can take a year to eighteen months to heal and if ignored can become chronic.

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 02:48 PM

Hi,
I get loads of differant pains in my feet and years ago was told it could be Plantar thingy majig. But now its my Diabetes and I suppose being a big cow.
The pain I get mostly associated with Diabetes is more like a sharp walking on glass (Mr Marzipan) pain that you can feel the night following a long walk. My Dad got diagnosed this way.

I was told that an heel spur is like an extra bit of bone thats wanting to grow at the back of the heel like animals have, its part of evolution. This what my Pediatrist told me anyway lol.

Hope everyone with feet probs get better soon.

Yorkypudding xx

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Posted 22 November 2007 - 10:23 PM

don't know if it will help but try some glucosamine+ chondroitin. i kept getting tendon pulls but since going on this it seems to have cleared up.

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 09:06 AM

 yorkypudding, on Nov 21 2007, 10:48 PM, said:

I was told that an heel spur is like an extra bit of bone thats wanting to grow at the back of the heel like animals have, its part of evolution. This what my Pediatrist told me anyway lol.


No idea about evolution but bone spurs occur in lots of different bones. They occur where a tendon or ligament attaches to bone - new bone grows along the tendon or ligament in response to damage. In the case of the heel, the pain is usually due to inflammation of the plantar fascia rather than the bone spur itself. I've x-rayed quite a few patients that had calcaneal spurs but had no pain in that part of their foot.

Lisa

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