Krieg's Bones, on May 25 2008, 10:18 AM, said:
Yes, I am a newbie, so this is probably a stupid question but is there not a standard set of rules for a worlds record?
I know you are all going to flame the heck out of me but if there are no rules and no impartial judges, then there are no records, in my opinion. Everything from speed records to eating records are validated by a set of rules and some form of judge. Why doesn't the Goecaching comunity approach The Guiness Book Of World Records?
There is no 'record' if you mean some sort of official sanction or recognition. There are no rules except as have been unofficially agreed upon in these forums.
One reason is that nobody, even those of us who occasionally do such numbers runs, wants geocaching to become competitive.
It's hard to say "It's not about the numbers" and "I have the biggest number" in the same sentence, but there it is. That's just the way we cache!
Perhaps the thing to be respected is that these men and women set out to do a thing never-before done, spent months and thousands of dollars planning it under unclear rules, did their best to accommodate 'how it should be done', then went and did it. That deserves respect no matter whether the 'record' officially exists or not. Not to even mention traveling overseas and doing it without local help!
Those of us who have set, or attempted to set, a 'world record' do it for fun and fully recognize that only the acceptance by our peers as record holders will be the only gain.
That said, there are a set of fairly nebulous rules to claiming a record, some are basic geocaching practices, some have become standards through debate in these forums, some have become established principles through the mistakes of those who have tried before.
If you read the rules this team set for themselves then you will see that they studied previous attempts and conformed to the best current understanding of how such things are done.
My team for the Dallas Record Run was 4 Germans and 4 Americans in a 12-passenger van for exactly 24 hours. We found and signed 312 caches and DNF'd, if I recall correctly, 46 more.
However, we signed many of the caches by initialing the container with a Sherpie rather than opening the cache to get the logbook, and for 18 of the caches we split into two groups. Those two decisions were soundly criticized throughout the community and many in the community decided that the 294 caches that we did find, still a record, would not be recognized as such.
This team (no, I don't know them, never heard of them, didn't know they were even going to try) learned from mistakes such as mine and went out of the way to avoid them.
So, every cacher has to decide, within your own understanding of 'the rules', whether you will accept their run as a record.
I do. As far as I am concerned this team holds the world record for most caches found in 24 hours until somebody else finds 315!
My DRR team did, by the way, work at length with the rules committee of the Guinness Book of World Records. They do not have a category for cache runs and won't create one unless / until it is more commonly done. Since, I hope, geocaching will never become a competitive game I don't see that happening.