+NattyBooshka Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I was just reading the bomb thread... And it brought to mind one I did a while back. I was approached by a farmer who wondered what I was looking for on "his" land. He had no idea that the cache was there, and once found he didn't mind it being rebidden at all. He was just curious, and I think he thought me a bit of a fool for playing this game. Landowner permission may well have been in place... As the land was within the peak district national park, and so national trust managed land. Who do we ask? Landowners and the people living and working there are usually not one and the same. Quote Link to comment
Izzy and the Lizard King Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I was just reading the bomb thread... And it brought to mind one I did a while back. I was approached by a farmer who wondered what I was looking for on "his" land. He had no idea that the cache was there, and once found he didn't mind it being rebidden at all. He was just curious, and I think he thought me a bit of a fool for playing this game. Landowner permission may well have been in place... As the land was within the peak district national park, and so national trust managed land. Who do we ask? Landowners and the people living and working there are usually not one and the same. Is the land managed by the National Trust? I always thought it was the Peak District National Park Authority, or are they just another body that are involved? It certainly doesn't help clarify who you would need to seek permission from. Quote Link to comment
+NattyBooshka Posted July 9, 2011 Author Share Posted July 9, 2011 I was just reading the bomb thread... And it brought to mind one I did a while back. I was approached by a farmer who wondered what I was looking for on "his" land. He had no idea that the cache was there, and once found he didn't mind it being rebidden at all. He was just curious, and I think he thought me a bit of a fool for playing this game. Landowner permission may well have been in place... As the land was within the peak district national park, and so national trust managed land. Who do we ask? Landowners and the people living and working there are usually not one and the same. Is the land managed by the National Trust? I always thought it was the Peak District National Park Authority, or are they just another body that are involved? It certainly doesn't help clarify who you would need to seek permission from. Hehe... well... that's the thing. I believe it may still belong to the Duke of Devonshire, in parts, and the Peak District in others. Yes, there's a park authority, and the NT are the biggest landowner. Some of the farms are on their land. So, some of it is Duke owned, managed by the Trust, under rules of the Park and rented out to a farmer. 4 possible points of contact, though the park authority is highly unlikely to be the one that should be contacted. I'm guessing that his Grace isn't overly worried about these things... so the question is does NT permission mean that the farmer renting the farm doesn't need to be consulted? What about the other way round? What if I was that farmer? Can I place one then as it's my property on property that I am renting. I really don't know who's best to start with... though I think I'll go with the farmer as he's always up for a free beer! Quote Link to comment
Deceangi Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Generally the NT where the property is leased out, will not give permission for a cache placement, and usually suggest direct permission is obtained off the Tenant. Unless the Parks Authority actually owns the Land, they can not give Permission for a cache Placement. As they are a Oversight Authority, so the Yorkshire Dales National Park Authority, who own caches under the Dales Diva account, always obtain permission of the actual Landowner for their cache Placements. Deci Quote Link to comment
+NattyBooshka Posted July 9, 2011 Author Share Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) Generally the NT where the property is leased out, will not give permission for a cache placement, and usually suggest direct permission is obtained off the Tenant. Unless the Parks Authority actually owns the Land, they can not give Permission for a cache Placement. As they are a Oversight Authority, so the Yorkshire Dales National Park Authority, who own caches under the Dales Diva account, always obtain permission of the actual Landowner for their cache Placements. Deci Cheers... Off to the boozer it is then... shame!!!! Edited July 9, 2011 by NattyBooshka Quote Link to comment
+Haggis Hunter Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I have had two instances were I have been stopped and questioned by land managers, both of which I was initially perceived as a security threat. The first one was Water of Life - Glenkinchie and the second was Dynamic located within a 'stones throw' from the Scottish Parliament. Although I didn't quite mention it in my log for Dynamic, security did have me surrounded with all possible escape routes cut off. I have also been stopped with Firth of Forth & roolku at night by the police, you can read our logs at Not up the Kilt Please! dated the February 19, 2005 Quote Link to comment
+meltdiceburg Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Generally the NT where the property is leased out, will not give permission for a cache placement, and usually suggest direct permission is obtained off the Tenant. Unless the Parks Authority actually owns the Land, they can not give Permission for a cache Placement. As they are a Oversight Authority, so the Yorkshire Dales National Park Authority, who own caches under the Dales Diva account, always obtain permission of the actual Landowner for their cache Placements. Deci A point worth noting I found out today is that the Peak District National Park Authority will not grant cache permission on their owned woodland under any circumstances. I suspect knowing them, this will echo to all their land. Very disappointing. "Thank you for your enquiry & I’m sorry to disappoint you in this, but geocaches or anything else placed in our woodlands, however discreetly, are not welcome. Please note that there are many private landowners who may permit this sort of activity. Yours sincerely, Richard Claxon." Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) A point worth noting I found out today is that the Peak District National Park Authority will not grant cache permission on their owned woodland under any circumstances. I suspect knowing them, this will echo to all their land. Very disappointing. That would be a useful point to put to the GAGB, as they maintain lists of agreements and (shall I call them) disagreements. See here.. It is disappointing, particularly as their colleagues in the Peak District Forestry Commission are so accommodating. Hopefully the GAGB can clarify this with the person who's refused permission and make sure that he has an accurate view of the activity before confirming the refusal. (Edit) I've started a thread on the GAGB forum here. Edited December 29, 2011 by Happy Humphrey Quote Link to comment
+dartymoor Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I have had two instances were I have been stopped and questioned by land managers, both of which I was initially perceived as a security threat. Interesting, and slightly scary, logs there! I'll stick to my rural caches I think Quote Link to comment
+The Wombles Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I've requested the contact details and will follow up when I get them. Quote Link to comment
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