Cache at the End of Wherigo
Posted 28 March 2012 - 05:17 AM
I'm trying to read through all the forums and tutorials. Doing this in urwigo, but I really need a Wherigo for Dummies book. I wish this was a lot simpler to build. Thanks for any help you can give me!
Posted 28 March 2012 - 05:24 AM
Posted 28 March 2012 - 05:41 AM
A Wherigo with a physical container can be listed on both.
To be listed on geocaching.com, think of the basic Wherigo as a multi-cache with only one physical waypoint at the end.
Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:01 AM
Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:13 PM
Technically, the Wherigo itself requires no physical cache. For sure, they're better with a physical container 'reward' at the end, whether at your final location or whether completing the cartridge tells you coordinates -- some locationless are connected to a geocaching.com listing for a physical Wherigo cache located somewhere near the CO, but while anyone in the world can theoretically complete the cartridge and log it on Wherigo.com, they may not be anywhere near the physical container to log the associated listing on gc.com.
Wherigo cartridge on Wherigo.com: 100% virtual, log when complete by uploading or entering the completion code
Wherigo listing on Geocaching.com: execute a Wherigo cartridge that at some point provides coordinates to a physical cache. May or may not be associated with a listing on Wherigo.com
You don't need an account on Wherigo.com to log Wherigo caches on geocaching.com (thankfully!) I only recently started logging wherigos on Wherigo.com for a Wherigo challenge I was working on that required proof of completing a couple of locationless wherigos (which aren't listed on geocaching.com)
understand all that? great
Posted 29 March 2012 - 04:56 AM
The rule I am going by is as follows:
Wherigo cartridges must be listed on Wherigo.com. Cartridges can involve any number of physical elements or none, can be location-specific or play anywhere. There isn't a formal set of guidelines as to what should and should not constitute a cartridge. Cartridges may be listed on Wherigo.com whether or not they utilize a physical element or geocache. Geocaches are listed on geocaching.com and those guidelines are well-documented. A Wherigo geocache is a hybrid of these two and can be defined as a geocache that requires the use of a Wherigo cartridge to locate. Alternatively, a mystery cache could require the use of a Wherigo cartridge for one or more stages, but not all. When a Wherigo cartridge utilizes a geocaching element, both the guidelines of Wherigo.com and geocaching.com must be followed: that is, the cartridge falls under the Wherigo.com guidelines (very few at the moment) and the geocache falls under the geocaching.com guidelines (proximity, placement, review, etc.). Also note a geocache does not have to be located at the end of a cartridge; you can have your players come across it whenever you like. Just be aware the requirement to log a cache on geocaching.com does not include the completion (or unlocking) of a cartridge: the only requirement is the physical cache log must be signed/stamped/stickered/etc.
The reason people usually place a geocache with a Wherigo cartridge is so they can cross-list it on geocaching.com and have the geocachers play it. At the moment, most of the people who play Wherigo cartridges consists of geocachers who only want to find the cache--and these people won't know of a cartridge or even play one if it is not listed on geocaching.com. This cross-listing is, in my opinion, what has supported Wherigo these past years. There will come a time when Wherigo will have a community of its own and cartridges won't have to have a geocache element for many people to play them, but I feel this will not come about until Groundspeak begins leading Wherigo development, certain new features are added to the Players, and the cartridge count in areas reach critical mass (I'm relating this to my own involvement with geocaching, by the way). Guwisti, if you feel you have an audience in your area that will play a cartridge without a geocache somewhere within it, by all means go ahead and list the cartridge on Wherigo.com. Many of the early cartridges on the site do not have a geocaching element to them, so your cartridge is not the only one.
While I try to support the Wherigo community as much as I can, I am also a geocacher. Having found more than my fair share of caches and being on a cache-a-day streak for more than five years, I admit I am heavily invested in that game as well. However, supposing a cartridge is created in my area that does not involve a cache, I will try to play that as well.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:41 AM
Yes, I knew they were the same account, just couldn't remember if you had to go through any actual 'sign up' (as in at least a 'yes I'd like to log in with my gc.com account' step). But anyway...
Couple of corrections on my part as above: Yes any Wherigo listing on gc.com would need to have its cartridge hosted on Wherigo.com, since that's required to be the "Related Link" for the listing. So Wherigo need not be listed on geocaching.com and remain entirely virtual, or it can be listed on geocaching.com and result in a physical container and log.
Didn't know that a mystery cache could use a Wherigo cartridge though. Are there guidelines that say how it's to be disclaimed in the listing? Surely it would need to be explicitly mentioned that a Wherigo player would be required to complete the cache. Interesting.
I agree. Groundspeak really seems to be the primary supporter at this time, but they're spreading themselves thin with new ideas rather than improving existing ones. Wherigos have a lot of potential, especially now with most major smartphones having the capability to execute them.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:26 AM
Posted 29 March 2012 - 09:24 AM
Ah, that's what I was wondering. So you don't know if reviewers would allow a Wherigo component to a Mystery cache listing..? If so, then as you sampled, it would open the door for a lot of creative cache creations
It would be interesting to know if they'd allow a Wherigo-hybrid style mystery cache. Something makes me think not though, at least in Ontario
Posted 29 March 2012 - 09:54 AM
When Wherigo first came out, all Wherigo caches were placed under the mystery cache heading. Soon after, the Wherigo cache type was introduced. At that time, play anywhere cartridges were not allowed to have a geocache component. I challenged that with Whack-A-Lackey and successfully demonstrated how this could be done. Thus, we're still only beginning with Wherigo and there are bound to be more things and uses we haven't tried or thought up. I prefer play anywhere cartridges because they have a wider audience. If anyone has an idea what would make a good play anywhere cartridge, feel free to pass the idea by me and, if I like it, I'll create the cartridge. I haven't created many cartridges of my own recently because I've been busy with caching, the Statbar Modifier v2, and "kit", generally in that order. That and helping others with their stuff.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:14 AM
Most but not always. You can show some numbers in a few "stages". At the end a formula appears, where you use the numbers. The result are the final koords. Perhaps the formula depends on the location, but so it is possible to make a Wherigo with physical cache everywhere, in New York or Paris. In Germany there are lots of Play Anywheres called "6x6 Memory". EVERY Wherigo has a physical cache and each Wherigo has the same cartridge with exception of the formula and/or the numbers.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:36 AM
I mean that to log a locationless Wherigo complete on Wherigo.com, there can't be a physical required location. You complete a locationless Wherigo wherever you want, and you either get a code or the cartridge is marked complete and you upload it. There may or may not be a physical container, but it can't be required at any step to get to completion.
I think you're thinking of play anywhere wherigos listed on geocaching.com. By being on geocaching.com, they already are required to have a physical logbook.
Locationless wherigos, to be marked complete on Wherigo.com, should have no required physical waypoint.
That sort of locationless Wherigo can't, by nature, be listed on geocaching.com unless the physical location of the geocaching.com cache is presented on completion of the locationless Wherigo (and thus both can be logged independently - eg, I've completed a couple of locationless wherigos: cartridges complete and marked as such on Wherigo.com, but their associated GC listing on geocaching.com I can't mark as found because I'm nowhere near the coordinates I was given.
* Locationless Wherigos can be marked complete on Wherigo.com from anywhere in the world.
* Wherigos listed on Geocaching.com (locationless or otherwise) need to at some point provide a physical location for a geocache in order to log that geocache Wherigo listing found.