baloo&bd, on 13 April 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:
Clan Riffster, on 13 April 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:
baloo&bd, on 13 April 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:
madmoose123, on 13 April 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:
Personally, I don't mind people not signing the log. There are times IMHO that signing the log isn't practical like in high Muggle areas. I'm guilty of this. I'll be looking for the cache, spot it, and mark it on my iphone as found. I don't make a grab for the cache if there is risk of being seen.
Since you never found the cache, how can you justify logging it as found.
Didn't he say he located it?
See the message I referenced. How did he know he spotted it?
You gave the example of the unusual case of a decoy cache. Even I agree there are certain hides where a cache owner may want to be sure you signed the log to show you found the actual cache and not a decoy, or to prove you opened a puzzle box container. These sorts of hides are pretty rare and most people can tell (at least if they look at the write up or in previous logs) that there is some special situation where you ought to at least look at the physical log (and were signing the log proves that you did this). The truth is, in the overwhelming majority of cases, you don't need to do this to know you found the cache.
Believe it or not, I nearly always sign the log because I agree with baloo&bd that it's the best way to be 100% sure you found the cache and not something else. Sill, if I owned a cache with a decoy or one that needed a TOTT to retrieve, I don't think I would delete online finds based on the the physical log not being signed. I might have a "Hall of Shame" on the cache page to list people who logged a find whom I thought didn't actually retrieve the cache, but I don't see any requirement that I delete anyone's find.
TeamTwoStar, on 13 April 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:
This is just my opinion but I would just let it go. Smiley Faces don't equal points. That is something that people get confused. Your number of finds is not equal to how fast you are or what your skills as a cacher or anything. It is your own personal acheivement. I have 424 finds and if I lied about the number of finds I have had, I am cheating myself and no one else. If they want to lie and say they found something they didn't, let them. Like I said, in the long run, they are only hurting themselves.
So yeah, I would let it go. It is just a game, don't let them spoil it for you.
The key point is that the online logs are not a score no matter what any particular individual thinks. If someone is posting finds because they think it is improving their score and they do this for caches they know they didn't find, I'd wouldn't say they are hurting themselves, but they are certainly having some issues with understanding the object of geocaching. In some cases I might consider these bogus logs and delete them if they give a false impression of the state of the cache or effected other cachers negatively. One the other hand, if we are talking about are people using the online find log to share their experiences and keep a record of caches they have found, then they have decided they have met whatever their definition of a find is. It may not be the same definition that your or I use, but if it is a reasonable definition "there's no need to get one's knickers in a twist" (to quote someone who should know).