It was a JOKE. Using a sarcastic attack. For fun. Obviously there is some truth to it as you keep having to comment on it which means that you're a little emotional about it too. Just say'n
I can get emotional about comments directed at me - not my iPhone. Stop talking about me.
_Shaddow_, on 07 May 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:
You're working on my elevation challenge
and that makes you a serious hiker in my book. (And participation in my challenge isn't necessary to be a serious hiker either)
Who are you referring to? I haven't seen that challenge yet, but it does look intriguing and fun. If I were near, I'm sure I would be up for the challenge! (even just using my 4S, as that data input I'm sure you'd find valuable; I'm sure you know tracking and elevation can be done with some available iOS apps)
I'm more curious about the requirement to use (and by your words "promote") the NW Trail maps, and whether a cache like that would get published now (as it essentially requires 3rd party software or resources in order to complete, as per 4.15
). Can it be completed by anyone who doesn't
have a Garmin GPS device? I'm sure it could be, though I'm not sure legally :P (Mapsource would be needed, correct?)
But more importantly, could elevation challenges be published now
since afaik elevation data isn't available/verifiable via geocaching.com.
We're about 100% on the same line of thinking. For one, when I hear someone say 'old school' as if it's better, I say 'oh, you mean the one that burned down?'
Well there are plenty of debates about how geocaching "used to be" who express emphatic distaste at the variety of tools and skillsets in use now, as opposed to even a few years ago... "old school" isn't meant as an insult, only as a way to distinguish between people who prefer geocaching the way it used to be, versus those who have started recently and are more used to many of the ways things are done now (smartphone use, as an obvious example; also the proliferation of nano caches, or urban caches, or LPCs, park-n-grabs, etc, when compared to the "good old days" of just finding a big container out in the woods... as a few examples ;) ). If "old school" is insulting, then I apologize and would like a better term to describe the mindset.
But I see the consensus here in this forum topic being that a smartphone is just a good as a dedicated GPSr for all situations, and that currently isn't true.
Whose consensus? I certainly don't agree, and I've never said as much... but then maybe my input isn't in line with the thread consensus? *shrug* ("just as good" isn't the same "capable of", let alone the fact that I'll never compare "smartphones" with "dedicated GPSrs" overall, specifically because of the brand/model issue and wide range of quality and capabilities and technological improvements over the years)
What I'm about to say probably won't be liked but the truth is that those with smart phones are also generally the ones clearly less prepared, those I see using GPSrs generally are clearly more prepared.
Generally speaking, sure... but GPSr users can still be unprepared, just as smartphone users can be prepared. It's the same argument about GPSr users finding caches faster -- my opinion on the matter is that bad coordinates will always
mess up everybody equally
. Who cares if your device is accurate to 1/2m - if the coordinates are wrong, no amount of pinpointing your location accurately will help you find the cache better than anyone else. The one who finds it is the one who uses their honed senses while on their way towards GZ (whether the coordinates are accurate or not). :) I find it intriguing when on cache listings there are logs from people both claiming perfectly accurate, and wildly inaccurate posted coordinates. There are obviously more factors at play there :P
This by their clothing choice (style and funtion), footware, amount and type of gear carried, etc, and the amount of wear on those items (read: time on the trail). I've concluded that those more prepared prefer dedicated GPSrs.
I know plenty of "smartphone users" quite the opposite. So again it all depends on your sample size and context :) Equating "smartphone users" to "unprepared cachers" is unfair in regards to which device you'd recommend for someone. Rather, regardless of device being used, encourage everyone
to be prepared, especially
when caching out in the wilderness! But yes, it may well be that 'city-slickers' who take up geocaching, likely due to possession of a smartphone, are more likely to be unprepared for nature. Not because of the smartphone, but because they're not used to going outdoors for lengthier periods as much.
Personally I go to what works best for me now, not because it was the best before. For the same reason that you won't find me hanging on to the past, you won't find me jumping on the new is better bandwagon.
Excellent, ditto :)
For me, smartphones will be better for this situation when they are better for this situation. I'm not bitter towards smartphones either, I love mine, I think it's awesome. But not at everything.
And on that sentiment, we agree. :)
For me, I've used my 3GS and 4S under many heavier terrains and environments successfully and without issue, so the device itself is certainly capable.
Whether someone else who is not me could have the same results, well that would depend on the person.
Whether someone else with a higher quality dedicated GPSr could have an easier/faster time, well that would also
depend on the person :P
Know your caching habits, know your caching device, hone your geosenses, be prepared for your caching environment. <--- advice for all cachers!
Which device should you
(general) get? If you have nothing, get a GPSr in your price range. Smartphone in your sights? Here are the models you should
look at and here are the ones you should avoid. But whatever you get, play with it, get used to it, find a bunch of local caches before heading out into the more rural/adventurous ones alone, and definitely before you hide
caches. Know that ultimately, regardless of device used, you can never completely trust the accuracy of posted coordinates - and therein lies the fun
of the hunt.
That's a good point, why pay extra for a GPSr if you don't need to. Also the speed, it is much faster to use in most cases, basically grab and go using an app to bring up a particular or nearby cache. That's the reason I use my phone for city caching (as I ready said). But when I step onto any kind of significant trail system, which can be found in many of our city parks, it gets faster to load the waypoint in my GPSr to see the location verse the trails. Might have something to do with the part of the country we live in too (PNW), our terrain can change fast to pretty rough even in the city, plus with the heavy ground cover and 100'+ trees you can't see much but the immediate area around you and the sky above (clouds lol), so you can't go directly to the cache ie can't follow the arrow, need to navigate. It's much like driving a car, you can't just go there but need to find a route.
This has been my favourite paragraph of yours :) I have no idea what it's like caching in your area, but it sounds fun with so many trails and mountainous areas. Southwest Ontario is sort of boring in that sense... we've got wilderness up north, but around here it's mostly flat (lots of forests, trails, and conservation areas though) outside the Niagara Escarpment. And that whole stretch is quickly filling up with great caches :) (the Hamilton area is becoming challenge central - check it out on the map if you want, LOADS of challenges of many varieties)
This post has been edited by thebruce0: 07 May 2012 - 11:16 AM