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#1 User is offline   Thallas 

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Posted 25 October 2002 - 05:39 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1870855878

It would be a good way to get an ammo can...dont think I would go this route though.



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Posted 25 October 2002 - 07:02 PM

Interesting,


Another example of someone trying to make money off of the sport. The whole point is to put these things together yourself. I am going to keep an eye on that to see the the price goes up to.

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Posted 25 October 2002 - 08:41 PM

This has been discussed at length in an earlier thread. I would provide a link, but that would be making it too easy for you.

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Posted 25 October 2002 - 09:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by BassoonPilot:
This has been discussed at length in an earlier thread. I would provide a link, but that would be making it too easy for you.


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Posted 25 October 2002 - 09:07 PM

Hell, I was thinking about the same thing, except I was going to offer a few diferent camo schemes and only seed the box with letter, notepad, and a couple of pens.

I, for one, think someone should offer ammo cans at a cheap price so we don't have to come across soaked tuppeware caches. In fact, that's the reason we bought a gross of the 7.62-- to replace failed cache containers. We run into them all of the time.

Besides, who cares someone wants to make a buck off geocaching. I'm looking to help support my hobby--there's no need to just continue to throw money at it. People make money off their hobbies all the time.

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Posted 25 October 2002 - 09:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by brdad:
quote:
Originally posted by BassoonPilot:
This has been discussed at length in an earlier thread. I would provide a link, but that would be making it too easy for you.


But don't you realize not posting the link is making things too easy for you? Posted Image

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Well, I'm waiting, when are one of you two lazy guys going to provide the link?

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Posted 25 October 2002 - 09:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Sissy-n-CR:

I, for one, think someone _should_ offer ammo cans at a cheap price so we don't have to come across soaked tuppeware caches. In fact, that's the reason we bought a gross of the 7.62-- to replace failed cache containers. We run into them all of the time.



I'd hate to have my Rubbermaid swapped for an ammo can, especially after I had left descriptions of the caches with the "land managers" who gave permission as being "Rubbermaid with a black lid" or some other specifics.

Should you ever find one of my caches that wet, would you please leave it and let me know its condition? I'll take care of any maintenance needed.

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Posted 25 October 2002 - 09:28 PM

http://opentopic.groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=3000917383&m=1940960805&p=1

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Posted 25 October 2002 - 10:13 PM

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In fact, that's the reason we bought a gross of the 7.62-- to replace failed cache containers. We run into them all of the time.


Let me see if I understand. People lug along empty ammo cans in case they run into caches they're hunting that need maintenance and the containers have to be replaced?

What a guy!

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Posted 25 October 2002 - 10:47 PM

I don't have any problem with someone selling ammo cans that are preped for caching. But I think I like CR's idea better i would rather get the can with a few essentials in it than one filled with someone elses idea of cache goodies.

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Posted 25 October 2002 - 11:11 PM

In fact, that's the reason we bought a gross of the 7.62-- to replace failed cache containers. We run into them all of the time. - quote from sissy-n-cr
Maybe you should join up with ski3pin over at Lake Tahoe. They just take the whole cache and dispose of it, since it doesn't meet their standards.

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Posted 25 October 2002 - 11:48 PM

ok i feel i need to reply on this as no one seem to be reading people post
a failed container is a destoryed container meeing the cashe is open to be dammages i see no problem with moveing the cache to a new container and notifing the owner that it as been done due to dammage
the owner then has 2 choises they can eater replace with what they had and give the can back or leave it as saved
eather way it protects why alot of us hunt
there not takeing it for a good box to put it in the ammo can it only if the box is destoryed as i understood it
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Posted 26 October 2002 - 02:21 AM

quote:
Originally posted by slith:
ok i feel i need to reply on this as no one seem to be reading people post
a failed container is a destoryed container meeing the cashe is open to be dammages i see no problem with moveing the cache to a new container and notifing the owner that it as been done due to dammage
the owner then has 2 choises they can eater replace with what they had and give the can back or leave it as saved
eather way it protects why alot of us hunt
there not takeing it for a good box to put it in the ammo can it only if the box is destoryed as i understood it
slith


I think you're saying that, should someone swap my leaking Rubbermaid for an ammo can, I can replace the ammo can with another Rubbermaid then track down the replacer to return the ammo can or I can leave my cache in the new ammo can.

The first choice requires additional unnecessary action on my part; the second leaves me with a cache that doesn't match the one for which I have permission.

Why is either of these better than my going to my cache and maintaining it myself?

(It's all moot, since I see my caches weekly and know if they need work. I just wonder about the answer.)

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Posted 26 October 2002 - 02:32 AM

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Where in the world is that guy MARKWELL when you need him.

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Posted 26 October 2002 - 02:42 AM

Markwell: (märk w l), verb
To cite a thread (or threads) where a topic was already discussed thus putting an end to the need to discuss it again.
Also: Markwelled, Markwelling, Markweller
Example: "I started a thread about Geocaching nude but it got Markwelled!"

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Posted 26 October 2002 - 09:20 AM

Don't Markwell that thread, man.

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Posted 26 October 2002 - 12:34 PM

Does that then make this a Continuous or Circular Marwellington reference ?

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Posted 27 October 2002 - 11:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by wcgreen:
quote:
Originally posted by slith:
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the owner then has 2 choises they can eater replace with what they had and give the can back or leave it as saved
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The first choice requires additional unnecessary action on my part; the second leaves me with a cache that doesn't match the one for which I have permission.

Why is either of these better than my going to my cache and maintaining it myself?

(It's all moot, since I see my caches weekly and know if they need work. I just wonder about the answer.)



I agree with both of you. I don't see the harm in replacing a destroyed container with an ammo can as long as the cache owner is notified. I don't think this would create a responsibility for the cache owner to return the ammo can if it is not acceptable for whatever reason. The cache owner is free to remove the can and toss it or keep it or use it to create a new cache.

Wendy- The act of replacing a destroyed container by a 'finder' is one of kindness. A random cacher would not know that you do such a good job of maintaining your caches. Many caches are owned by cachers who do not do as good a job.

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Posted 30 October 2002 - 10:57 AM

Now we have to Markwell the message thread to HERE.
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Posted 05 November 2002 - 11:09 AM

I'm honored. I guess.

Centaur had to point me back to this thread to see the latest development in the dictionary. I had no idea where this thread had taken a turn. I feel kinda like Ernesto Miranda.

It just goes to show I spend WAY too much time here.

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Posted 05 November 2002 - 12:08 PM

You're our "Royal Archivist." That's a very prestigious position.

At the very least, it's a better term than "Majicmannerism."

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Posted 06 November 2002 - 08:18 AM

Wow, didn't know that anyone would get upset by us taking care of their cache.

First, we haven't had to replace a Rubbermaid container. So that point is moot. The ones that we've had to work on or replace are the Ziplock-type disposible containers.

Quite frankly, we felt--wrongly apparently--that we were doing the sport a favor by making sure the cache didn't become trash. Besides, none of the owners, save two, has responded to direct emails about their ruined cache. The two that did respond expressed gratitude.

Now, I hear that some might even get upset if we tried to better their cache--even liken us to Ski3pin. Sorry, trash is trash. Cache in - Trash out. Containers that will not stay closed, are broken, full of water, growing mildew, logs and previous finder's items being ruined, are quite frankly trash. That doesn't take a genius the figure out. Yes, we have standards and the description I just gave would probably be below 95%+ of the users here. We try to better the cache the best we can and notify the owners. Containers we come across that are questionable we go ahead and replace before the cache is ruined. (It's of much less help to do it afterward.) I think it very much an insult to liken what we do to what Ski3pin did, but I suppose we should have just removed the trash instead of trying to recover the cache?

Just let me say this, you get a log from us that we've replaced your container with an ammo can and you don't like it, then just go out with another container to fix it however you like. As for the ammo can we left, throw it in the nearest trash container for all we care.

With that said...

Happy caching!

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Posted 06 November 2002 - 08:25 AM

Oh, and yes, we do carry ammo cans in case the container needs replacing. We carry cache repair items in it and if a container needs replacing we swap contents of each container, clean the cache items that need it, trade for ruined items, and fix'er up the best we can and move on.

I understand that now the cache doesn't fit the discription give on the cache page, but is that so terribly wrong? If nothing else, the owner gets a free ammo can out of this deal.

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Posted 07 November 2002 - 04:09 AM

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Oh, and yes, we _do_ carry ammo cans in case the container needs replacing. We carry cache repair items in it and if a container needs replacing we swap contents of each container, clean the cache items that need it, trade for ruined items, and fix'er up the best we can and move on.

I understand that now the cache doesn't fit the discription give on the cache page, but is that so terribly wrong? If nothing else, the owner gets a free ammo can out of this deal.




If park maintenance knows to ignore 'transparent Rubbermaid containters with "Geocache" painted on them in pink enamel paint', then an ammo can will trigger suspicions (and possibly a call to the bomb squad. After all, my caches are hidden in urban/suburban parks.)

'A free ammo can' isn't much of a trade if my cache gets investigated or blown up because of it.

As I said earlier, should you ever find one of my caches in poor condition, please limit your assistance to a prompt e-mail to me. I'll handle any container issues.

If this upsets you, my apologies, but I'd rather be on good terms with the local park managers/maintainers than you.

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Posted 07 November 2002 - 07:22 AM

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As I said earlier, should you ever find one of my caches in poor condition, please limit your assistance to a prompt e-mail to me. I'll handle any container issues.


No problem.

But, until you start putting them in my neck of the woods, there's not much of a chance I'd even run into one of yours, so that issue is moot and we don't have to worry about.

That's not to mention if everyone used a quality container, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation.

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Posted 07 November 2002 - 07:54 AM

I think it right neighborly to replace a broken down-ain't waterproof-cheapo-leaky piece of plastic with an ammo box....

Thanks.

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