Geocaching and hunting season controversy

November 2, 2002

I am a hunter, too. I hunt geocaches as well as deer, turkey and raccoon. Since I am involved with geocaching and other hunters are not, I wonder how we can find resolve for situations likethis? The geocacher involved is a great friend of mine and he's a super nice person. I hate to see a conflict that includes a geocacher, much less a good friend. More input the better

3k · November 2, 2002

You know, I agree that there has to be a happy medium but I do believe I would arm myself and put on some great hunting orange clothes and hangout in that spot for a while, maybe set up a stand across from his out of spite. There is no place for an attitude like that hunters. I am also a hunter and understand that we share the woods and that they belong to no one party. I think its bad enough that I have to worry about being shot by just hiking in a state or county park. Bull**** is a word that comes to mind. There is a time and place for everything but having someone making idle threats is a bit much. Who the hell are they. Thats my rant and the only reason its a rant is because I don't feel that anyone party should have privilege over an other.

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1.7k · November 2, 2002

While the hunter was kind enough to warn people that he would be hunting in the area, he could have been a little more tactfull about his warning message. In some way it sounds like a threat. Its people like him that give most responsible hunters a good name.

I'd say that you archive the cache until hunting season is over. If you placed this cache with permission you may want to show this note to the park rangers. They may know hwo hunts at this spot and can have a chat with him. As the warning note is a litte threatening.

Otherwise this is going to be fact of life for Geocachers, we will be in forests duing hunting season. Time to wear some thing bright colored.

On the other hand, this makes me want to breakout my paintball gun and camo and go wait for this guy and give him a taste of his own medicine.

1k · November 2, 2002

I'd be weary of making an assumption here. Do we even have proof it's a hunter who left the note? After all, this is a better method for a geo-terrorist to use than plundering the cache would be.

Either way, I may post a note to the cache page, but leave the cache, possiblly moving it a little to insure the person does not locate it again (assuming he didn't use a GPS to find it). I'd think I'd also report the note because reguardless of who left the note, it was technically a threat.

I give this opinion in assumption that this cache was in a place that was given permission, and/or was open to both the hunter AND the geocacher.

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3k · November 2, 2002

And acting like he alone owns that land. Idjut!

I would wear a complete blaze orange outfit and go caching anyway, making lots of noise and singing the whole way, perhaps carrying a cd player, playing some of Vivaldi's Four Seasons. That way there won't be any animals around to hunt, anyway. But if one is worried then only cache that area in the off season. Hunting season regulations can be found here: http://www.dgif.state.va.us/hunting/regulations/index.html

Cache you later,

Planet

I feel much more like I do now than when I first got here.

November 2, 2002

Stump-jumper (cache owner of this cache) is my Dad and I know he had permission from the National Forest Rangers to put this one up on the mountain. Heck, when the rangers did a prescribed burn, they found the cache and put in lots of Forest Ranger /Smokey Bear stuff. Dad knows some of the guys at the district office and they even give him suggestions on placing more! It might be a good idea for him to talk to the ranger office and see what they can come up with. Thanks! I will mention it to him!

1.7k · November 2, 2002

I do have to agree with BRdad, he makes a good point, we are assuming this is a hunter. for all we know it may be some local knucklehead who thinks he's being funny.

But let us know what happens when you talk to park management.

38.2k · November 2, 2002

I have several caches in Wildlife Management Areas, which are used for hunting in NJ. I make a note on the cache page for seekers to be careful during hunting season.

The hunter in this case was way out of bounds with his threat. Some hunters seem to think they own their favorite hunting ground and don't want others walking through it. It was a good idea to remove the cache, because the guy who found it is likely to steal it if he sees it as a threat to his hunting grounds.

You really hate to give in to someone like this, but why lose a cache? And his comments about bullets flying concern me. A real hunter would never send bullets indiscriminately flying. They should positively identify their target and take it down with one shot.

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on its hind legs, but by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" -Max Beerbohm

November 2, 2002

quote:
Originally posted by Planet:
And acting like he alone owns that land. Idjut!

I would wear a complete blaze orange outfit and go caching anyway, making lots of noise and singing the whole way, perhaps carrying a cd player, playing some of Vivaldi's Four Seasons. That way there won't be any animals around to hunt, anyway. But if one is worried then only cache that area in the off season. Hunting season regulations can be found here: http://www.dgif.state.va.us/hunting/regulations/index.html

Cache you later,

Planet

I feel much more like I do now than when I first got here.

Not a good move!! This guy is already carrying a threatful tone with implications of shooting someone anyway.

Display of this nature would definately tick him off and someone will surely be shot at!

This with regard::: Maybe he's just got a big mouth and trying to use scare tactics. Also, if he is sane at all, he should know the term "capital murder"-since shooting someone wearing blaze orange, possibly killing them results in the death sentence.

What a shame that things have to happen this way.

3k · November 2, 2002

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Originally posted by opey one:
Not a good move!! This guy is already carrying a threatful tone with implications of shooting someone anyway.

Display of this nature would definately tick him off and someone will surely be shot at!

This with regard::: Maybe he's just got a big mouth and trying to use scare tactics. Also, if he is sane at all, he should know the term "capital murder"-since shooting someone wearing blaze orange, possibly killing them results in the death sentence.

What a shame that things have to happen this way.

See, planet and I are on the same page (I think) but thats why I mentioned that I would arm myself first then throw the blaze orange on.

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November 2, 2002

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This with regard::: Maybe he's just got a big mouth and trying to use scare tactics. Also, if he is sane at all, he should know the term "capital murder"-since shooting someone wearing blaze orange, possibly killing them results in the death sentence.

Yeah, but he may be dumb enough to still do it, thinking he could claim it was just a hunting accident....

I think you should make up a dummy cache. Put it out there so that when he opens it, a big snake or clown pops out of it...

Like the old Peanut brittle joke cans..

Art

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November 2, 2002

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Originally posted by Cracker7M:

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This with regard::: Maybe he's just got a big mouth and trying to use scare tactics. Also, if he is sane at all, he should know the term "capital murder"-since shooting someone wearing blaze orange, possibly killing them results in the death sentence.

Yeah, but he may be dumb enough to still do it, thinking he could claim it was just a hunting accident....

I think you should make up a dummy cache. Put it out there so that when he opens it, a big snake or clown pops out of it...

Like the old Peanut brittle joke cans..

Art

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3.1k · November 2, 2002

quote:
I think you should make up a dummy cache. Put it out there so that when he opens it, a big snake or clown pops out of it...

Or a really loud siren that scares all the deer away!

One local cacher here found blinds near some of his caches, so he just removed them and temporarily disabled them until the season is over. No need to deal with the unarchiving process that way.

"It doesn't take a nucular scientist to pronounce 'foilage'." --Marge Simpson

3.1k · November 2, 2002

quote:
Originally posted by Dinoprophet:
One local cacher here found blinds near some of his caches, so he just removed them and temporarily disabled them until the season is over.

He removed and disabled the caches, not the blinds.

I'm firing my editor!

"It doesn't take a nucular scientist to pronounce 'foilage'." --Marge Simpson

1.7k · November 2, 2002

Instead of disrupting this guys hunt in person and risk an encounter with this individual. What if you were to "salt" the area, so to speak, with something that smells bad to a deer. Something that would keep them away from this hunters "spot".

November 2, 2002

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Originally posted by Cracker7M:

Yeah, but he may be dumb enough to still do it, thinking he could claim it was just a hunting accident....

That won't fly in the VA courtrooms, no way!

3k · November 2, 2002

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Originally posted by magellan315:
Instead of disrupting this guys hunt in person and risk an encounter with this individual. What if you were to "salt" the area, so to speak, with something that smells bad to a deer. Something that would keep them away from this hunters "spot".

Several things come to mind. Human hair (easily obtainable at any hair salon), Irish Spring soap, Milorganite (fertilizer made from waste products), all work well, but these odors have to be changed often because the deer will get used to them after a while and come back.

And perhaps I should have put a smiley face on my earlier post about all the noise and Vivaldi.

When I was a kid we lived on a large peice of land with posted no hunting signs but hunters would come through anyway and we played in those woods. We had to be careful on our own property! My cousin was out in the woods one day and saw the hunter and yelled "hey Dad, he's over here!" The hunter took off. Dad was no where nearby. Just goes to show you hunters don't always know where the bounderies are.

In France, in the Rambouillet Forest, there are huge deer (hooves the size of.....well really big) and wild boar. They have a rule that any hunter must be up in a raised position so that when he shoots, he shoots downward. This way stray bullets go into the ground. They have platforms scattered throughout the forest. Poorer hunters just use a chair. As long as they are elevated. The land there is flatter and bullets could travel far. They also have signs posted everywhere warning of flying bullets. Chasse Garde!

Cache you later,

Planet

I feel much more like I do now than when I first got here.

1.6k · November 3, 2002

A note threatening violence is a terroristic threat on federal property, or so one could construe it. I would take the cache and note to the local FBI field office and let them pursue this cretin.

A cache was placed with permission. Its been there for some time. The note was pretty clear about bullets flying and people getting hit by them. Whether a crime has been committed is probably up to a grand jury, but the arrest, processing, investigation, and analysis of his firearms to be certain that no recent area crimes were committed with them could take much longer than the hunting season lasts...

By appointment to the Court of HRM Queen Mikki I.

November 3, 2002

But getting the FBI involved? Good grief, I think they have bigger fish to fry.

Huh?

November 3, 2002

That hunter left a note that was out of line, and gave the impression that he thinks he has certain rights to the area. That note should be turned over to the local sheriff to deal with.

Some people have been advocating disrupting the guy's hunt. That too is illegal. There are laws against intentionally interferring with a lawful hunt by either persuing the hunter, creating noise, or chasing his quary. Don't do that.

The quack cacher

Lone Duck

November 3, 2002

The menacing tone of the hunter, especially when dealing with the discharge of lethal weapons warrants the necessity--as posted by others--of turning the note over to the proper local authorities, and out of consideration for the safety of cachers, disabling the cache until hunting season is over.

David Berne

November 3, 2002

Forget this particular situation for a minute. Keep in mind that we have all year to geocache. Hunting season is limited and I can understand a hunter resenting cachers tromping around and scaring off the prey. I think that exercising some common sense on our part is called for. Public hunting ground is becoming less and less. I think we can all appreciate that there are limits to where we can enjoy our hobby. Even more so for the hunters.

Steve Bukosky N9BGH

Waukesha Wisconsin

November 3, 2002

It's possible this was a 'farmer' and not a hunter. And I don't mean a soybean farmer. This is also something to be wary of when searching for benchmarks.

November 3, 2002

Well, there are two things you can do for this gentleman. Number one, at least in GA (haven't read VA's laws on hunting) it is illegal to hunt on "baited" property. So, being "nature friendly" people spread some feed for the critters, ALL OVER. He shoots one within the stated distance (which is a lot) and he gets to spend some time in the clink. To add insult to injury. . . place another cache, though one that us Cachers should not open. Name it pandora's box. Inside, place a "paint mine", rigged to the lid of the ammo box. They are used in paintball games, and are powered by CO2, when you trip the trip wire, it covers about 600 sqft in water-soluble bio-degradable paint Maybe that would get his attention hee hee!! Maybe you could even put in a video camera triggered by the opening of the lid to capture the look on his face hee hee!!!

1.6k · November 4, 2002

- First off, the hunter was out of line with his note, but how else is someone not "in the know" to convey this is not a good spot. Especialy, when he's out there trying to hunt and with all of the effort you have to put in for that. He's probably a pretty nice person in person. People, by them selves, are generally more aggressive than in a group. That's not to say I've never run into a real jerk in woods, but most are fairly decent people.

- I wouldn't assume what he said was a threat, at most, a warning. I've been on hunts were I've had to hit the deck--and I'm in blaze orange! (You know what the sound of bullets cutting through the brush over your head sounds like?)

- I know I've had hunters walk through when I'm on a stand, so a cacher isn't much different, except for the fact a hunter is trying to be quite.

- I know it was said in jest, but don't carry a gun in the woods in hunting season unless you have a hunting license, and then only one that you're allowed to carry.

- You really want to start a war with someone who can blow holes in your caches? I'd be willing to bet there are a lot more hunters than cachers. They've been around longer, they pay fees to do what they do, and they are key for game management. If the rangers saw the cachers and hunters getting in a peeing contest, who do you think they would have to side with?

Bottom line is, in general we don't place caches where there are likely to be hunters. If you do, make sure you note that on the cache page with appropriate warnings or take it offline during hunting season.

We simply don't have the clout to go against hunters. Why should we, anyway?

CR

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1.7k · November 4, 2002

Just relax, I don't think anyone is going to actually take action against this guy. What we have is a little healthy venting and some fantasisng. No different than conversations at work about how if you ran things.

3k · November 4, 2002

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Originally posted by magellan315:
Just relax, I don't think anyone is going to actually take action against this guy. What we have is a little healthy venting and some fantasisng. No different than conversations at work about how if you ran things.

Like I'm really going to run to the hair salon, grab some hair, hop on a plane, rent a car, hike through the woods at the risk of being shot, just to keep some animals away from a cache so a hunter can't get them.

Live and let live, except for the animals, eat them. Venison backstraps are not bad.

Cache you later,

Planet

I feel much more like I do now than when I first got here.

November 4, 2002

The person leaving a note like this is a slob not a hunter any legal actions to remove him from my ranks would be greatly appreciated.

1: take the note to the park rangers

2:take a copy of the note to the Game and Fishries Dept.

3: take a copy of the note to the State Police

November 4, 2002

I am the cache owner of the cache in question. I found the note that the hunter left in the cache. I will quote it here:

"This is my hunting spot for 10 years. I would highly advise you to find another spot because bullets will be flying everywhere around you- arrows too. We know who you are. 5 of us. We have your book. You better find another spot. At least one mile. You better tell your www dot com the same thing."

You can see why I went ahead and archived the cache. I don't want any of this sort of trouble to happen to anybody!

38.2k · November 4, 2002

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Bottom line is, in general we don't place caches where there are likely to be hunters.

Being that most of my caches are in public forest areas, there are likely to be hunters in hunting season. I'm sure this is the case in most places, outside urban and suburban parks.

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He's probably a pretty nice person in person.

Judging from the text of the note that Stump-Jumper found in his cache, this does not seem to be a nice person. He's probably the kind of guy who will start shooting chipmunks if he doesn't see any deer, and road signs if he doesn't see any chipmunks.

Of course, we have to realize that we are sharing the forest and should take appropriate precautions in hunting season. But jerks like this think they own their hunting spots and they have to be set straight. Only problem is that they're the one with the gun.

"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on its hind legs, but by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" -Max Beerbohm

6.5k · November 4, 2002

Having seen Stump-Jumper quote from the note makes me agree with MACpa.

quote:
Originally posted by MACpa:
The person leaving a note like this is a _slob_ not a hunter any legal actions to remove him from my ranks would be greatly appreciated.

1: take the note to the park rangers

2:take a copy of the note to the Game and Fishries Dept.

3: take a copy of the note to the State Police

1.6k · November 4, 2002

quote:
Originally posted by Stump-jumper:

"This is my hunting spot for 10 years. I would highly advise you to find another spot because bullets will be flying everywhere around you- arrows too. We know who you are. 5 of us. We have your book. You better find another spot. At least one mile. You better tell your www dot com the same thing."

I stand corrected. This guy is an (7 letters, starts with an "a"). This is probably a situation that I would have to make a hobby out of him. I have to side with previous posters now and say this has to go to the wardens, local, county, and state police. Maybe even talk about charges of theft. Yeah, it was left in the woods, but it is not abandoned any more than a hunter's tree stand.

Maybe, even get me a hunting license, dust off my gun, and go and flop my @ss right down on my cache. Then what is he going to do? Shoot me? Not when I've already told the authorities he's already made the threat.

He would know in no uncertain terms that if he left my stuff alone, I'd leave him alone.

I wouldn't mind compromising with him and taking it offline during hunting season, but that would depend on how much of an a-hole he wanted to be about it. If it's public land then who ever gets in the spot first gets to hunt it for the day. Tens years my butt.

CR

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1.6k · November 4, 2002

quote:
Originally posted by BrianSnat:

Being that most of my caches are in public forest areas, there are likely to be hunters in hunting season. I'm sure this is the case in most places, outside urban and suburban parks.

True, but I'm talking about just in the middle of the woods. We keep to established trails and what-not. Hunters around here would hunt off the side of the interstate if the Troopers didn't keep running them off.

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Judging from the text of the note that Stump-Jumper found in his cache, this does not seem to be a nice person. He's probably the kind of guy who will start shooting chipmunks if he doesn't see any deer, and road signs if he doesn't see any chipmunks.

I have to agree. I've seen this kind of person before. Embarrassed to say, even kin to some.

CR

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November 4, 2002

quote:
Originally posted by tahoeberne:
The menacing tone of the hunter, especially when dealing with the discharge of lethal weapons warrants the necessity--as posted by others--of turning the note over to the proper local authorities, and out of consideration for the safety of cachers, disabling the cache until hunting season is over.

David Berne

Bernie, I had read, and pretty much supported you on your attack on the gal that took your caches out of the Desolation Wilderness Area. Now I'm starting to think you're just a trouble maker. Good grief, use some common sense. Do you really think this deer hunter is out to harm anyone? I'd be a little pissed if I thought people were going to be disrupting my deer hunt too.

Huh?

[This message was edited by Duke_ on November 05, 2002 at 10:24 AM.]

November 4, 2002

I understand that it may be a bit frustrating for this hunter, and I'm sorry, it just means he can't sit on his butt and hunt, he may actually have to go and do a lil walkin to find the deer.

I like fishing a good bit, and it's somewhat aggravating when you have people water and Jet-skiing all around you, but I don't sit there and scream obscenties, or threaten to shoot at them. I simply go to another spot. This earth is here for everyone. That didn't sound like a "friendly suggestion" to me. It sounded like someone who wants to be billy bad a**.

November 4, 2002

quote:
Originally posted by Duke:

Do you really think this deer hunter is out to harm anyone? I'd be a little pissed if I thought people were going to be disrupting my deer hunt too. Somehow, I'm getting the impression that some people just enjoy stirring up chit. Involve the authorities if you want, but I think you're just going to make Geocachers look like a bunch of whiney *** crybaby mommas boys who like to stir up trouble. Thats not an image we need. Just my .02 worth. More like a dime maybe, huh?

Huh?

Not even a penny... I am not a whiney *** crybaby, I just like to find resolve. I was only asking for some enlightenment on this subject.

See, some people, like you, tend to make it difficult to convey a scenario because of the negativity.

I don't believe, in any way, that I have caused any damage to the geocaching community by posting this topic. This is why the forums are here. To express opinion.

The threads tend to broaden in many different ways. For example, your opinion bends WAY off line from the simple fact that you are looking for the downfall of geocaching by a simple misunderstanding or act of indecent behavior by one party.

Don't blame geocaching. Blame lack of communication

[This message was edited by opey one on November 05, 2002 at 08:35 PM.]

November 4, 2002

A threat is a threat.Pop his fat a**.The sooner the better.Conversation will be polite behind bars.You DON"T make threats.

Two Feathers

November 4, 2002

It's a threat. Plain and simple. The "your www.com buddies" sets the tone.

Report it to the authorities.

November 4, 2002

This is starting to sound like an idea for a great movie..."Revenge of the Geo-Nerds, or "Geo-Nerd Meets Deliverance". I can just see all those rednecks running, screaming thru the woods while being chased by a horde of geocachers wielding GPS units and 'snapping toothed' ammo cans.

1.6k · November 5, 2002

quote:
Originally posted by Stump-jumper:
I am the cache owner of the cache in question. I found the note that the hunter left in the cache. I will quote it here:

"This is my hunting spot for 10 years. I would highly advise you to find another spot because bullets will be flying everywhere around you- arrows too. We know who you are. 5 of us. We have your book. You better find another spot. At least one mile. You better tell your www dot com the same thing."

Sounds to me like a threat was made. Its cop time. If its on county land, its the Sheriff, if its State Land, its the State Police, if its federal land, its the FBI.

A threat is crime, and these guys could be even more trouble than you might realize. Report it to the pertinent legal authorities. Take the cache box, the note, any other artifacts that were in the cache box. Place them in a PAPER bag, and bring them to the cops that have jursidiction over the land you placed the cache on. Give them the info. Let them deal with it. But don't just archive the cache and blow it off.

By appointment to the Court of HRM Queen Mikki I.

20.7k · November 5, 2002

I completely agree that this should be referred to the proper authorities.

The problem with threats is that you never really know which ones to take seriously. Therefore, all threats should be handled as if they are serious.

Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.

November 5, 2002

I believe the cache owner did the right thing by archiving the cache. There's no sense in tempting fate. I have run into those type individuals in the woods before. No such thing as common courtesy anymore. Had the hunter been more diplomatic, he may have requested the cache owner to put on his page, to please do not attempt this cache between say daylight and noon and then say maybe 5 till dark. So what I would probably do is put one of those $5 egg timers and set it to go off every thirty minutes or so and hide it in the general area of the origianl cache location. Just make sure it only beeps for 30 sec or less so he won't have time to get down and find it before the timer quits.

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November 5, 2002

Upon further reflection, I have to tell ya, I don't think this guy is really a hunter. If he is, well, I think we can deduce that he's not the sharpest pencil in the box. I think if he were really concerned about geocachers trampling through the area, he would simply remove the cache.

As for turning the note over to authorities, I highly suspect they won't be able to do anything. The language in the note is too ambiguous to be used as evidence of a threat.

But lets say that the authorities do take some action. The hunter gets chastised. Maybe pays a fine. Then invests in a GPS and seeks out every cache in the area and destroys it. I don't know about in your neck of the woods, but around here we have enough trouble with punks and b/ttheads purposely seeking out and trashing our caches. Do we really need to give someone else a reason to disrupt our sport?

So the guy had a momentary lapse in judgement. Maybe was trying to impress his buddies. I highly doubt he would actually cause any harm to geocachers or other folks walking through the woods. I mean, if he were really intent on harming anyone, do you think he would leave a note as evidence of that?

I'd say archive the cache for 30 days, or whatever the hunting season is. I know it sucks to acquiesce to this guys threat. But sometimes it pays to choose our battles wisely. I honestly don't think this one is worth fighting.

I'd rather focus my energy fighting against ill informed government entities that deem it necessary to remove caches from wilderness areas and other lands administered by them. Or finding out who the local GeoRaiders are, and finding a legal way to prevent them from destroying or stealing the local caches.

Sorry for the personal poke earlier Bernie. I don't really think you're a trouble maker. See, I too have momentary lapses in judgement. Some might argue that they're not momentary.

Huh?

November 6, 2002

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The problem with threats is that you never really know which ones to take seriously. Therefore, all threats should be handled as if they are serious.

Beg to differ. May I recommend a fantastic book? "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker will tell you quite clearly which threats can be discounted and which should be heeded.

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The language in the note is too ambiguous to be used as evidence of a threat.

"This is my hunting spot for 10 years. I would highly advise you to find another spot because bullets will be flying everywhere around you- arrows too. We know who you are. 5 of us. We have your book. You better find another spot. At least one mile. You better tell your www dot com the same thing."

What's ambiguous about that? The writer is threatening to shoot geocachers. Not just the writer but the writer and four others. "We know who you are" in this context is highly threatening. They need to be reported to the proper authorities.

November 7, 2002

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Originally posted by enfanta:

"This is my hunting spot for 10 years. We know who you are. 5 of us. We have your book. You better find another spot. At least one mile. You better tell your www dot com the same thing."

What's ambiguous about that? The writer is threatening to shoot geocachers. Not just the writer but the writer and four others. "We know who you are" in this context is highly threatening. They need to be reported to the proper authorities.

Do you know what ambiguous means? Lets take a closer look.

**"This is my hunting spot for 10 years." Defense lawyer would say this is a statement of fact, not a threat.

**"I would highly advise you to find another spot because bullets will be flying everywhere around you- arrows too." Defense says - A simple recommendation and another statement of fact. Hunting season going on, highly likely that bullets and arrows will be flying in the area. If you are in the area, then they may be flying around you. Note that the note did not say "Flying AT you".

**"5 of us. We have your book" Another statement of fact. No threat there.

**"At least one mile. You better tell your www dot com the same thing." Again more recommendations, no direct threats.

Like I said, I highly doubt that the note in and of itself would be evidence enough to convict this guy of anything, therefore the authorities would probably not act on it. Just my opinion.

November 21, 2002

A story about how unsafe it is out there

If the #2 pencil is the most popular, why is it still #2?

November 21, 2002

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Originally posted by civilwarranger:
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1551/3427658.html

If the #2 pencil is the most popular, why is it still #2?

Man what an idiot, but I would'nt say that to his face, hell of a shot with a 12 guage at 200 yards

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"Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway." - John Wayne

November 21, 2002

Actually, I think he was shooting at the horse she was leading (which was brown), not the white one she was on:

Story: Hunter Charged

If you want an even better 'Long Shot':

How about a hunter shooting a state trooper in a moving car?

State Trooper Shot by Hunter

3k · November 21, 2002

And hunting season is going strong up there. I saw a hunter just off the side of the highway, I hope he was heading in and not just hunting right there. I saw deer hanging in yards, and it was all the news on the front page of the local paper, the deer population is measured when the hunters start bringing them in and the deer are doing very well this year, making a comeback from the year that about 30,000 died due to conditions. That night on the news we hear that some guy in Upstate New York shot his hunting buddy in the arm thinking he was a deer. He'll live, the guy who was shot. The other guy will probably never live it down. So I made the decision not to cache in the state forests at all during hunting season.

Cache you later,

Planet

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

3k · November 21, 2002

And hunting season is going strong up there. I saw a hunter just off the side of the highway, I hope he was heading in and not just hunting right there. I saw deer hanging in yards, and it was all the news on the front page of the local paper, the deer population is measured when the hunters start bringing them in and the deer are doing very well this year, making a comeback from the year that about 30,000 died due to conditions. That night on the news we hear that some guy in Upstate New York shot his hunting buddy in the arm thinking he was a deer. He'll live, the guy who was shot. The other guy will probably never live it down. So I made the decision not to cache in the state forests at all during hunting season.

Cache you later,

Planet

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Geocaching and hunting season controversy

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