[The Ravens]

I say white with NO hint. Why make it easy (evil face).

[chillypenguin]

Because it will just be pulled apart in frustration.

[martin&lindabryn]

bluesky61, on 25 January 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

Not depoloyed yet, but I am preparing maze related cache. Some part of idea came from martinbryn (#5111). Thanks him for great idea.

At first visitors solve following maze, and calculate final coordinate.


At the final coordinate, they can see following container.


Seems like normal lock&lock box, but open it then :



The logsheet is in nano capsule, which is put into the maze upper right. It can be out at lower left hall, upper right hall is so tight that it can't go out.
However, as you can see, the maze is too simple, so anybody can get it within 1 minute.

So I think another option like following. The visitors can hardly see through it, so it can be difficult to take out.



======
So what do you think the best out of following 3 options?

1. transparent
2. white
3. white with hint (layout)

I am soory that my English is not good, but your help will be highly appreciated.

Min

Hi
I like your idea and I am glad you used my idea for inspiration.
My Cache has gone live

Its amazing | GC3AH23

The cache is going down well so far, taking people about 5 minutes to solve the maze once found
As you can see from the pictures of mine in this thread you cannot see into the maze and you do not get a clue as to the layout
Looking at yours, the path to the end is not too complicated and should be easily solved without being able to see the path.
If you can see or have a plan of the maze then it will take a matter of seconds to complete
Which for me would make the effort of making it, and the effort of going to find it, disappointing.
I found a good way to test my maze, was to give it to friends and ask them to solve it, before it went out in the field , If they can solve it, then it can be done in the field

This post has been edited by martinbryn: 26 January 2012 - 04:18 AM

[bluesky61]

Thank you all (specially martinbryn) for nice ideas.

The following is the final.



The transparent board is acryl, and it turned into semi-transparent after applying instant glue.
I think this is good for me even if it is an accident.

Thanks again for your kindness.

[viperunderground]

bluesky61, on 25 January 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

Not depoloyed yet, but I am preparing maze related cache. Some part of idea came from martinbryn (#5111). Thanks him for great idea.

At first visitors solve following maze, and calculate final coordinate.



At the final coordinate, they can see following container.



Seems like normal lock&lock box, but open it then :



The logsheet is in nano capsule, which is put into the maze upper right. It can be out at lower left hall, upper right hall is so tight that it can't go out.
However, as you can see, the maze is too simple, so anybody can get it within 1 minute.

So I think another option like following. The visitors can hardly see through it, so it can be difficult to take out.



======
So what do you think the best out of following 3 options?

1. transparent
2. white
3. white with hint (layout)

I am soory that my English is not good, but your help will be highly appreciated.

Min

I prefer option 4: Bring a hammer

[lupinlongo]

It's amazing how in the other side of the world someone has the same idea ...
I have one here in the house almost ready...

[va griz]

chillypenguin, on 26 January 2012 - 03:32 AM, said:

Because it will just be pulled apart in frustration.

That's what I was thinking, it's just a matter of time before a finder thinks the challenge is to find a way to remove the cover.

[niraD]

The Ravens, on 25 January 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

I say white with NO hint. Why make it easy (evil face).

I posted my reply in the Discussions - Cool Cache Containers (CCC's) thread.

[hzoi]

bluesky61, on 25 January 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

The logsheet is in nano capsule, which is put into the maze upper right. It can be out at lower left hall, upper right hall is so tight that it can't go out.

I think this is very cool. The one flaw I see with this is that you're relying on each subsequent finder to put the nano cache back exactly where you put it.

[Hurones_Team]

geocaches by Hurones_Team, Sevilla (Spain)

[SwineFlew]

bluesky61, on 26 January 2012 - 04:59 AM, said:

Thank you all (specially martinbryn) for nice ideas.

The following is the final.



The transparent board is acryl, and it turned into semi-transparent after applying instant glue.
I think this is good for me even if it is an accident.

Thanks again for your kindness.

may I copy it? I love the idea and I got few of the stuffs I need. I got another idea that will be harder.

[bluesky61]

SwineFlew, on 30 January 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

may I copy it? I love the idea and I got few of the stuffs I need. I got another idea that will be harder.

Sure. Why not?
I think anybody can copy all the idea in this forum.
In my case, it's an honor if somebody use my idea.

[martin&lindabryn]

bluesky61, on 30 January 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

SwineFlew, on 30 January 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

may I copy it? I love the idea and I got few of the stuffs I need. I got another idea that will be harder.

Sure. Why not?
I think anybody can copy all the idea in this forum.
In my case, it's an honor if somebody use my idea.

Patent pending
All copies will be licence for a fee

Just kidding

[eusty]

bluesky61, on 30 January 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

SwineFlew, on 30 January 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

may I copy it? I love the idea and I got few of the stuffs I need. I got another idea that will be harder.

Sure. Why not?
I think anybody can copy all the idea in this forum.
In my case, it's an honor if somebody use my idea.

I've already designed mine 'in my head'...now just got to make it

[AneMae]

I thought this was really cool for a micro.






Creative.

[keesdej]

Always a nice way to hide.

[keesdej]

Btw, maybe not the place to put it but ;

Why does almost every reply contain all the previous pictures and stuff.
It takes up a lot of space, and its no 'fun' seeing the same picture 15 times with only 1 or 2 lines of reply.
Isn't it usual to leave the pic's (and large pieces of unrelated text) out when replying ?


With it, it makes it very 'messy' to read.

[A & J Tooling]

keesdej, on 01 February 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

Btw, maybe not the place to put it but ;

Why does almost every reply contain all the previous pictures and stuff.
It takes up a lot of space, and its no 'fun' seeing the same picture 15 times with only 1 or 2 lines of reply.
Isn't it usual to leave the pic's (and large pieces of unrelated text) out when replying ?


With it, it makes it very 'messy' to read.

It seems on this forum people get highly agitated if you alter their posts in any way, shape or form. Silly but true.

[NYPaddleCacher]

A & J Tooling, on 01 February 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

keesdej, on 01 February 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

Btw, maybe not the place to put it but ;

Why does almost every reply contain all the previous pictures and stuff.
It takes up a lot of space, and its no 'fun' seeing the same picture 15 times with only 1 or 2 lines of reply.
Isn't it usual to leave the pic's (and large pieces of unrelated text) out when replying ?


With it, it makes it very 'messy' to read.

It seems on this forum people get highly agitated if you alter their posts in any way, shape or form. Silly but true.

I'll frequently, when responding to a post that has an image, replace it with [image snipped] or somethings similar (and not just in this forum) and I've never had anyone object. In the early days of Usenet, when bandwidth was at a premium, editing the content of a post to which you were responding and leaving only the context that was necessary, was not only acceptable, but encouraged. Granted, bandwidth issues don't exist anymore (for the most part...but there are still a lot of places in the world where bandwidth *is* a major issue), but it's still a waste of time to scroll past reams of text and images to get to a response.

[qq7]

NYPaddleCacher, on 01 February 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

I'll frequently, when responding to a post that has an image, replace it with [image snipped] or somethings similar (and not just in this forum) and I've never had anyone object. In the early days of Usenet, when bandwidth was at a premium, editing the content of a post to which you were responding and leaving only the context that was necessary, was not only acceptable, but encouraged. Granted, bandwidth issues don't exist anymore (for the most part...but there are still a lot of places in the world where bandwidth *is* a major issue), but it's still a waste of time to scroll past reams of text and images to get to a response.

you'r right, same here where I am grown with BBS system, I usually cut quoted msg and let only that it is necessary to understand my reply.

[geokelin]

This is one of mine.

This post has been edited by geokelin: 01 February 2012 - 06:49 PM

[power69]

keesdej, on 01 February 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

Btw, maybe not the place to put it but ;

Why does almost every reply contain all the previous pictures and stuff.
It takes up a lot of space, and its no 'fun' seeing the same picture 15 times with only 1 or 2 lines of reply.
Isn't it usual to leave the pic's (and large pieces of unrelated text) out when replying ?


With it, it makes it very 'messy' to read.

if they disallowed hotlinking this would go away. however bandwidth and disk storage space would go up.
its cheaper to use other sites BW and diskspace.

[keesdej]

Well, all i mean that it seems unnecessary to me to include in every reply the pics.
And indeed it can take a lot of 'scrolltime' to get to the new unread messages.

Hotlinking is not such a good idea i think.
I see many forums with 'image deleted' signs, so you don't get to see anything at all.

My idea just be short with reply's .
That increases readability a lot.
(and 100 lines of quote and 1 word of reply doesn't help either)

Hehe, or is it because i'm also from the bbs era ?

[martin&lindabryn]

please posted your reply in the Discussions - Cool Cache Containers (CCC's) thread.

[Frozen Buns]

This is my favorite, as it is weather and critter proof. Plus it holds coins and other swag easily...

This post has been edited by Frozen Buns: 02 February 2012 - 09:10 AM

[Admonkey]

104 pages over several days (stopping and starting, of course, working it in around my schedule). TFTT!

[Clan Riffster]

Frozen Buns, on 02 February 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

This is my favorite, as it is weather and critter proof.

If you swap out the entirely too soft O-ring, it'll stay weather proof.

[Frozen Buns]

Clan Riffster, on 06 February 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Frozen Buns, on 02 February 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

This is my favorite, as it is weather and critter proof.

If you swap out the entirely too soft O-ring, it'll stay weather proof.

If you haave purchased any with "whimpy" o-rings they will replace them free with the new Tough 4x's Thicker one...FYI

[Olddffart]

Frozen Buns, on 02 February 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

This is my favorite, as it is weather and critter proof. Plus it holds coins and other swag easily...

What is it.???

[BBWolf+3Pigs]

Olddffart, on 07 February 2012 - 02:30 AM, said:

Frozen Buns, on 02 February 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

This is my favorite, as it is weather and critter proof. Plus it holds coins and other swag easily...

What is it.???

It's like a giant bison tube. About the size of 6-8oz can of V8.

[Turtle_Sask]

AneMae, on 31 January 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

I thought this was really cool for a micro.






Creative.

I do like this one!

[Olddffart]

BBWolf+3Pigs, on 07 February 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

Olddffart, on 07 February 2012 - 02:30 AM, said:

Frozen Buns, on 02 February 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

This is my favorite, as it is weather and critter proof. Plus it holds coins and other swag easily...

What is it.???

It's like a giant bison tube. About the size of 6-8oz can of V8.

Looks very interesting. Where does one get them.

[Frozen Buns]

Olddffart, on 08 February 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

BBWolf+3Pigs, on 07 February 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

Olddffart, on 07 February 2012 - 02:30 AM, said:

Frozen Buns, on 02 February 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

This is my favorite, as it is weather and critter proof. Plus it holds coins and other swag easily...

What is it.???

It's like a giant bison tube. About the size of 6-8oz can of V8.

Looks very interesting. Where does one get them.

Shop.gxproxy.com look under cache containers

This post has been edited by Frozen Buns: 08 February 2012 - 07:40 AM

[OZ2CPU]

I drilled a 12mm hole in a dead tree, and inserted the snail thing :-)

[BBWolf+3Pigs]

OZ2CPU, on 09 February 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

I drilled a 12mm hole in a dead tree, and inserted the snail thing :-)

And of course you realize that drilling into the tree (dead or not) is against the guidelines.

From Section 1.1 of the guidelines:

Quote

Geocache placements do not deface or destroy public or private property. Geocaches are placed so that the surrounding environment is safe from both intentional or unintentional harm. Keep both natural and human-made objects safe. No object or property may be altered to provide a hiding place, clue, or means of logging a find.

Aside from that, very clever.

[Mitragorz]

[geokelin]

I like the snail. what did you use to secure the bison tube in the snail?

[Clan Riffster]

Frozen Buns, on 06 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Clan Riffster, on 06 February 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Frozen Buns, on 02 February 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

This is my favorite, as it is weather and critter proof.

If you swap out the entirely too soft O-ring, it'll stay weather proof.

If you haave purchased any with "whimpy" o-rings they will replace them free with the new Tough 4x's Thicker one...FYI

I'll let my local retailer know. He recently aquired a case of them.
All of them have way too squishy O-rings. He'll be glad to hear this.
Thanx!

[BBWolf+3Pigs]

Mitragorz, on 09 February 2012 - 04:41 AM, said:

And I wear it proudly.

[OZ2CPU]

>I like the snail. what did you use to secure the bison tube in the snail?

I filled up as much of the inside as possible with hotmelt glue first,
let at cool down, add one last mayor drop, put in the lit of bison, done..
now the snail is impossible to brake :-)
I added a thick layer of transparent varnish to make it look nice for along time.

The hole I made in the old rotten tree, is agled a little bit so the snail stay there, simply by its weight,
The good thing about caches like this,
is they are always put back EXACTLY where they are supposed to be :-)

[cheech gang]

OZ2CPU, on 09 February 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:

The good thing about caches like this,
is they are always put back EXACTLY where they are supposed to be :-)

Good luck with that. Never underestimate the powers of some geocachers to find a way to put something back incorrectly. You would think it would be unlikely that they would replace a lok-n-lok lid upside down, but I've seen it happen several times.

[lightningo2]

The cache police need to stay off this forum!

[Mitragorz]

BBWolf+3Pigs, on 09 February 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

And I wear it proudly.

You should come get me, then, because I damage things every time I go caching. I squash little blades of grass when I walk across fields, I step on fallen branches and twigs (dead tree parts, right?) and break and snap them. I step on and climb over fallen logs (more dead trees!) and sometimes dead bark or moss falls off! Sometimes I even leave a small gash here my hiking boot got into the soft, decaying wood. Sometimes leaves fall off LIVE trees when I climb them to find those hanging bison tubes. And don't get me started on all the dead leaves I trample in the fall! All in the name of geocaching.

Hell, I even bought part of a dead tree from Home Depot and *gasp* cut it up to make a birdhouse cache! Shame on me. You might as well petition to have me banned from the website.

I'm a menace.

[lightningo2]

Mitragorz, on 09 February 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

BBWolf+3Pigs, on 09 February 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

And I wear it proudly.

You should come get me, then, because I damage things every time I go caching. I squash little blades of grass when I walk across fields, I step on fallen branches and twigs (dead tree parts, right?) and break and snap them. I step on and climb over fallen logs (more dead trees!) and sometimes dead bark or moss falls off! Sometimes I even leave a small gash here my hiking boot got into the soft, decaying wood. Sometimes leaves fall off LIVE trees when I climb them to find those hanging bison tubes. And don't get me started on all the dead leaves I trample in the fall! All in the name of geocaching.

Hell, I even bought part of a dead tree from Home Depot and *gasp* cut it up to make a birdhouse cache! Shame on me. You might as well petition to have me banned from the website.

I'm a menace.

I agree Mitragorz! Caching is about creativity and fun. I follow the rules, but I too have drilled into a DEAD tree to place a cache. Come get me as well! And when you do I will show you how you can put aside your uptight ways and have fun! I never said you have deface public property to place a cache, but sometimes a really good hide requires a bit of modification of the surrounding area. This forum is about creativity NOT policing ones creativity. I love these guys and gals who think they are the Geocaching authority once they have found a significant amount of hides and or placed a large amount of containers.Go out and have fun instead of hiding behind the computer complaining about other peoples ideas

This post has been edited by lightningo2: 09 February 2012 - 08:07 AM

[knowschad]

At the risk of adding yet one more off-topic post to this thread, please take it outside, guys: http://forums.Ground...1

[Clan Riffster]

OZ2CPU, on 09 February 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:

now the snail is impossible to brake

Never underestimate the power of chilruns.
I swear my kids could break an anvil using nothing but a banana.

lightningo2, on 09 February 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Mitragorz, on 09 February 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

I'm a menace.

This forum is about creativity NOT policing ones creativity.

Do you two know why the guidelines are oft cited in this thread?
Contrary to your cited belief, they are not cited by evil Geocops desperate to stifle your creativity. Rather, they are cited by folks who love this game, want to see it continue, and have been around long enough to recognize how something that a noob might see as a "minor modification" could easily lead to a ban on geocaching if such modifications were reported to a land manager. Having seen similar incidents result in bans in the past, those who love the game take a proactive stance, pointing out how such modifications could be guideline violations.

Promoting the guidelines is not being a geocop, regardless of how desperate you are to apply a negative label to someone who tells you an uncomfortable truth. Promoting the guidelines is a way to ensure the game survives.

[Mitragorz]

But the rule that's always cited to prevent people from modifying dead trees is the same one that's conveniently ignored by those who was to stick fire tacks in live ones. And I just don't understand that.

And what about applying camo to containers? Surely that should be considered altering an object or property and should be avoided, since altering property, both public and private, is strictly forbidden....

Here's a VERY extreme example to drive my point home. Wouldn't the simple act of signing the logbook be in violation of this rule? Specifically:

Quote

No object or property may be altered to provide a hiding place, clue, or means of logging a find.

I move to ban geocaching. It's only a matter of time before people are signing their names with bulldozers!

This post has been edited by Mitragorz: 09 February 2012 - 09:41 AM

[Mitragorz]

According to the "geocops" damage is damage, no matter how small. While I agree with that in theory, I don't think a fire tack in a tree is a big deal. Just like I don't think modifying a dead stump to hold a cache is a big deal. I just don't see a fire tack leading someone to drive a railroad spike into a tree.

I think a lot of people just go overboard sometimes. People aren't out cutting down trees to hide a cache. But if I've got a pile of firewood, and a lightbulb goes off in my head, I'm not going to say "dadgum, I can't modify my own firewood to hold a cache... I guess I'll just make an LPC. "

Kinds back on topic: I once found a cache next to a cemetery where someone had taken part of a tree trunk, probably cut for firewood, and hollowed out a small compartment on one end. The cache was held in the recess by small clips. It was completely invisible unless you tilted the stump over.

Is that REALLY against the rules? Should I go back and log a NA?

[GeoBain]

Come on folks, take the geocop debate to the discussion thread: LINK

[Frozen Buns]

Clan Riffster, on 09 February 2012 - 05:09 AM, said:

Frozen Buns, on 06 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Clan Riffster, on 06 February 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Frozen Buns, on 02 February 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

This is my favorite, as it is weather and critter proof.

If you swap out the entirely too soft O-ring, it'll stay weather proof.

If you haave purchased any with "whimpy" o-rings they will replace them free with the new Tough 4x's Thicker one...FYI

I'll let my local retailer know. He recently aquired a case of them.
All of them have way too squishy O-rings. He'll be glad to hear this.
Thanx!

Wonder where he got them. Are they 4" x 2" like the Mighty Mega? It will say Mighty Mega on the bottom.

This post has been edited by Frozen Buns: 09 February 2012 - 11:20 AM