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Just a reminder.... it's that time of year again. The Modern Rifle Hunting season opens up tomorrow here in Washington. Hunters have been in the woods for a month or so now, but now they have guns!

 

If you are going in an area where there could be hunters, please wear a Dayglo Orange vest of some kind. (The new Groundspeak vests are perfect for this).

 

I don't want to see any... Took Bullet, Left Life, won't get to sign the log... ever again!

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Choking back comments.

 

Must play nice.

 

Must be PC.

 

For now anyway.

 

BS. Cant do it. :laughing:

 

I have never been accused of being PC and I ain't about to start. I am not a sheep. :anitongue:

 

So, here goes.

 

Everytime I see something like this posted, I have to wonder about the intent of the posting.

 

Are you slamming rifle hunters (or gun owners in general?) as slobs and dangrous to be around?

 

Or is it a simple reminder there are fire arms in the woods?

 

That reminder would have been fine. Except.

 

Except for this: "Hunters have been in the woods for a month or so now, but now they have guns!"

Emphasis is mine.

 

Did you post something like this for the Muzzleloader season?

 

Did you post something like this for the handgun season?

 

Whatever the intent is, it still makes no sense to me to add that last part.

 

I would be willing to bet you are way more likely to ever be hurt on your way to or from a cache hunt by those people who drink alcoholic beverages. There are a lot more people who drink then will ever pack a gun.

 

Read the papers, listen to the radio or watch some TV. Who makes the most noise and gets the most attention with the media crowd? People with guns.

 

Who causes the most damage? People who drink alcoholic beverages. Who kill the most people? People who drink alcoholic beverges. Just take a look at your own circle of friends and count how many of them have been impacted by guns and how many have been impacted by drinkers.

 

The world would be safer if we enforced the laws for drinking. Driving or not. People who drink make a decision to drink and they have to be responsible for their actions. Period.

 

Drunk and kill someone? It is Murder and they should be executed. They choose to drive to where ever they where going to drink knowing they where going to drive home.

 

Get caught drunk driving? You lose your privilege to drive any type of moterized vehicle for the rest of your life. No exceptions. No car, truck, scooters, lawn tractor.

 

The biggest difference I see is that most of the poeple who complain about guns are those boozers who do all the drinking and driving but what to hide their problem with booze. Boozers have got to be the biggest hypocrite's on the face of the earth.

 

Ask any cop out there who has to deal with them.

"How much have you had to drink tonight?" "Oh, just a couple of beer's"

 

Yea, right. That is why your parked on the street in front of your house. The house you lived in 15 years ago. That's why you can't walk 5 feet without staggering. That's why you cant even spell your own name. That's why you blow 3.oh man.

 

So, RRW, Even as I respect your opinion and your right to voice it, I must still call BS on your statement. I think I will do some research on the net for a while.

 

Later, Logscaler.

 

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Found this right away: http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm

 

1995 Fatal Accident Totals

Motor Vehicles 43,900

Falls 12,600

Poisonings 10,600

Drownings 4,500

Fires 4,100

Choking 2,800

Firearm 1,400 (1.5% of fatal accidents)

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Logscaler, I have hunted since the time I was 12 and think you have to be aware of being in the outdoors during hunting season. I don't think RWW was slamming hunters (his name is Right Wing Wacko, for God's sake), just being pragmatic. I think in Washington, there are so few hunters that people might be taken by surprise. In Wisconsin the 10 day rifle season is a freaking state holiday and everyone is aware that if they're going to be in the woods they should wear orange, of course, the only reason people are in the woods to begin with in Wisconsin's November is to hunt...

 

If it wasn't important to wear orange, hunters wouldn't be required to wear it.

 

About 98% of hunters are responsible, but when the remaining 2% have high powered rifles, you have to be a little careful.

 

Edit: And you're right, you always have to be careful of drunk drivers, landslides, etc., this is just one more thing that I think people may not be thinking of.

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I see nothing wrong with RWW giving a heads up and don't see him slamming hunting. I've hunted for over 30 years and out of respect for the rifle hunters I would stay out of those areas. The general deer season lasts one week and the majority of hunting happens at this time. If you really need to get out in the woods this week then wear bright clothing. Your chance of getting shot is very low, but why push your luck. There has been various rifle seasons, blackpowder and bow hunting going on since August 1, but the percentage of hunters is far lower than the general deer season. I would also be aware of the general elk season in Nov. as this is another large group of hunters in the woods. Pick up a copy of the Big Game Hunting seasons and rules at any outdoor store or go to the WA Dept. of Fish and Wildlife website and check for seasons there. It's more about some common sense and being aware of your surroundings.

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A) I have not said he is slaming hunting.

 

;) I could not give a R.A.'s less about people ragging on me about hunting Bambi, Bambi's Mom, Dad, Aunts and or Uncles. They all make good stew and jerky.

 

C) They problem I had - and I just might be reading more into it is:

1) "and now they have guns!

2) with the tag line of "I don't want to see any... Took Bullet, Left Life, won't get to sign the log... ever again!

 

From my standpoint, if this is just a heads up about hunting season, which is the way I started to read it, then the exclamation point is uncalled for and changes the whole meaning of the statement.

 

Combine that with the last part and it takes the overtone of anti-gun.

But I would be highly interested in the rest of the story.

 

logscaler.

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I used to shoot competition .22 in high school, and was a marksman on the M16 in the Air Force, but I never hunted game. Not knowing any hunters myself, how do you get "into" it?

 

I have to agree about the warning though. On New Years Eve I never feel bad if someone warns of driving on January 1st. Not everyone is a drunk driver but it's good to know there may be more drunks on the road than normal.

 

Ever wonder why they call them "stray bullets?" I mean, seriously. It goes where you point it.

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From my standpoint, if this is just a heads up about hunting season, which is the way I started to read it,  then the exclamation point is uncalled for and changes the whole meaning of the statement. 

Always amazes me how one ascii character can change something from helpful and informative to anti-this or anti-that. ;)

 

Not all of us have the same view about hunting, but "not looking like a deer" is probably a good idea for people on both sides of the fence. Accidents can happen, even if you're really careful and knowledgeable. Don't hunters prefer that people wear orange? I always thought so, but I don't personally know anybody who hunts.

 

I'd find it more practical to wear orange when hunters are using guns than when they're using traps or large clubs or whatever else. It's easier to mistake somebody for a deer when they're 200 feet away and partially behind a tree or whatever. I think that's all RWW's getting at. I actually appreciate the warning, because I'd otherwise have forgotten that it was hunting season.

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I also hunt for deer. I remember one time I was glassing a hillside and saw movement. Zeroed on that and it was a hunter wearing tan jacket and jeans. Very stupid!!!!

 

Always wear blaze orange. Even the old traditional red/black checkered wool jackets will blend in wiht the fall leaves. If you were those jackets, wear blaze orange hat and perhaps gloves too.

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I used to shoot competition .22 in high school, and was a marksman on the M16 in the Air Force, but I never hunted game. Not knowing any hunters myself, how do you get "into" it?

When you are born in Wisconsin outside of Milwaukee they issue your birth certificate and five deer tags.

That is how I got into it.

 

My favorite hunting, though, is spring turkey. It's the best I've been able to do in Washington because I can do it myself and haven't been able to find any hunting buddies for anything bigger since I moved.

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Don't hunters prefer that people wear orange? I always thought so, but I don't personally know anybody who hunts.

I know I would. I'm not going to shoot at anything I'm not 100% sure of what it is, but blaze orange helps out in that department.

 

Not sure what the law is here, but back home hunters are required to have 80% of above the belt clothing blaze orange including a blaze cap or hat. It's that way for a reason.

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I used to shoot competition .22 in high school, and was a marksman on the M16 in the Air Force, but I never hunted game. Not knowing any hunters myself, how do you get "into" it?

When you are born in Wisconsin outside of Milwaukee they issue your birth certificate and five deer tags.

That is how I got into it.

 

My favorite hunting, though, is spring turkey. It's the best I've been able to do in Washington because I can do it myself and haven't been able to find any hunting buddies for anything bigger since I moved.

that's what I want t6o try...Turkey hunting. Had some trot right up to me while I was at a stand in Eastern Washington. LOL regarding hte birth cert. and tags!

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Grab onto your butt... here we go!

 

From King5.com

 

The National Weather Service has a snow advisory out for Lane County, Northern Oregon Cascades and South Washington Cascades.

 

Cities in the advisory include Detroit, Government Camp, Mckenzie bridge, Mount St. Helens and Oakridge.

 

Showers continue to move over the cascades with snow above 4,000 feet this morning. Four to eight inches of snow has fallen so far above 5,000 feet.

 

Additional snow fall will continue this morning with two to five inches additional accumulation today above 5,000 feet.

 

The Weather Service says any snow this morning above 4,000 feet will mix or turn to rain this afternoon.

 

ODOT is urging caution if traveling through the Cascades through the middle of this week as roads may be snow covered at times.

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Our state requirement for hunter orange is "a minimum of 400 sq. inches of fluorescent hunter orange exterior clothing is required. It must be worn above the waist and be visible from all sides. A hat, by itself, does not meet this requirement" I hunt blackpowder, so the limited range of this gun does not require me to wear orange. This rule was added to shotgun hunters about 6-7 years ago to add better visibility while hunting upland birds. You just about need a law degree to decipher what is open and what is legal to hunt now days. I was fishing/camping/geocaching over by Spokane last week and did some geocaches on Friday and did not know the general deer season was opening the next day. Walking back to my car I stopped off at a hunters camp and asked the guy what was opening up. If it had been opening day I would not have gone anywhere near that place!

EGH, I had to laugh at your post. When I was about 12 my mom decided all us kids would go on a hike on a nice fall day. We have a summer place on the Sky River by Goldbar, so we head on over to Wallace Falls. Back then it wasn't a state park, so you could do anything in there. We parked and were heading up the road when we passed 4 guys standing around their trucks. One guy yells out to my mom. "Hey lady, you're going to make it about 200 yards before you get shot" My mom was wearing a buck skin coat with antler buttons and it was the opening day of deer season. We decided it might not be a good idea for a hike that day..........;)

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"Friday, October 08, 2004 - A Molalla man died Thursday after he was accidentally shot in the head by a family member during a hunting trip near Prineville. ...

 

There were one hunting-related fatality and two injuries in Oregon in 2003. There were three hunting fatalities in 2002, three in 2001 and two in 2000, according to the Oregon State Police."

 

The numbers are low but the discomfort level is through the roof for those of us who do not like sharing the woods with hunters who are often untrained, may have consumed alcohol (or worse) and are unaware of what we are doing. We simply avoid large areas, even though it is during the nicest time of year to be outdoors.

 

And it is not just the edgy fear of misaimed or stray bullets, although gun fire nearby effectively ruins a trip. When you throw in the drinking, poaching, shooting from vehicles, driving where they shouldn't, littering, messy camps and other stuff some hunters do, it is extremely unpleasant.

 

Now, Logscaler is a great guy (although I can't vouch for his younger days!) and if all hunters were like him things would be different. But they aren't. So, yes, part of geocaching in the Northwest is being aware of what is being hunted where. Current info is at the state's Dept. of Fish & Wildlife such as for Oregon and Washington.

 

Happy hunting! :laughing:

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Seems likemost hunters around here just drive around looking for something to shoot from their window. I'm right on the edge of logging land, and it's really creepy when they drive slowly looking into my yard. I rarely see them more than 100 feet from their rigs. I've gotten used to this, but the huge increase in trash on my road this time of year really irks me.

 

My rule is to do my woodsy wanderings behind locked gates where there is no vehicular access. If there is no truck at the gate, there are probabaly no hunters around.

 

When I have encountered hunters out in the bush, I have not been concerned. If they are on foot for from their rig, they are probably experienced outdoorsmen/women and not likely to shoot at a bright orange human. These are the hunters I respect, and I don't think they would be looking in my yard for an easy target. Although I don't hunt, I do collect mushrooms and other food from the forest, and I understand the satisfaction of getting your food from mother nature and the pleasure of bushwacking in general.

 

I also feel that I am much more likely to get in a car accident on my way to the trailhead.

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The last two posts make me wonder about either hunting laws or bad perceptions of the laws in the Northwest.

In Wisconsin, along with most of the midwest, it is illegal as hell to hunt/shoot from a car unless you have a special permit because of a disablity.

The state also won't issue you a hunting license unless you have hunter's ed certification, or have completed BASIC in any branch of the military.

I noticed I was never asked for proof of either when I bought my license in Washington.

 

Anyone who knows want to fill me in on those two subjects?

 

As far as drinking, maybe this is a midwest thing again, but the beer is saved for after hunting hours at deer camp. I've never come across a deer hunter who had been drinking before or during a hunt. I think that's just a bad stereotype. (Then again, stereotypes come from somewhere.)

 

Man, all this talk has really made me want to go deer hunting. October just seems to early for deer hunting to me... :laughing:

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Is there a dumbed down version of the hunting season calendar anywhere on the web for those of us who don't hunt? Like a wear-orange list?

 

The only thing I can find is a convoluted summary of which animals, when, and where (somewhat). Not helpful if you don't know which animals are shot via guns versus trapped or what a muzzleloader is! Not really wanting to learn that stuff either, just wanting to avoid relevant dates.

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Lots of responses from both sides of the fence. And even the big J has found voice.

 

Yes, one little character can make a whole lot of difference. Kinda like saying "Bite me" with a smile or with a middle finger extended.

 

Jeremy: As for how to get started, I was also born into it and it is second nature to be out and about. The best way I know of to get started is to search your circle of friends and locate the ones who do hunt and approach them about your interest in getting started.

 

bigeddy: That last incident was a 12 year old and his Dad. Pops decided to get IN FRONT of the rifle while the kid was looking through a scope. More then likely the kid did not see Dad stepping over in front of the rifle but below his line of vision through the scope. And those are not hunters you mentioned. Just a bunch of townies who think they are "Getting away from it all." Yes, there should be a training camp for them as well.

 

CFM : Them ain't hunters. Just a bunch of jokers pretending to be. I also hunt behind closed gates due to the fact very few townies will get off their lazy butts and put any miles on their feet. It is common for Red and I to put 3 - 8 miles a day on our hunts hiking old roads and glassing old units. Contact your local OSP game officer and tell him about the traffic problem. As for the 'shroom, Red and I will have to get together with you one of these days and "pick" your brain about all the ones we encounter.

 

BullMoose : Yes, here in Oregon it is also illegal to hunt from a motorized vehicle be it a car, pickup or atv. It is also a big no-no to shoot from or across any open road. Or to even have a loaded weapon while in/on one.

 

NomadRaven : For Oregon, check here -

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/

And I am sure there is a same type web site for the other states as well.

 

All in all, I also agree about wearing contrasting colors and the Blaze Orange "ten mile" cloth vest I wear at work is the same as what I wear hunting.

 

Logs on the ground, gotta go to work.

 

logscaler.

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Just a reminder.... it's that time of year again. The Modern Rifle Hunting season opens up tomorrow here in Washington. Hunters have been in the woods for a month or so now, but now they have guns!

 

As far as I'm concerned, thanks for the reminder. Being a city/beach girl from SoCal, hunting is a whole new ball of wax for me to get used to and the learning curve has yet to straighten out. -R-

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And those are not hunters you mentioned. Just a bunch of townies who think they are "Getting away from it all." Yes, there should be a training camp for them as well.

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Yes, here in Oregon it is also illegal to hunt from a motorized vehicle be it a car, pickup or atv. It is also a big no-no to shoot from or across any open road. Or to even have a loaded wepon while in/on one.

Call them what you will but they are out there in large numbers.

 

It is amazing how many "hunters" are caught each season firing on fake animals set near roads to catch them! That is so disturbing on several levels.

 

I realize I'm more likely to be run over than shot by these bozzos, but either way I don't want to be around them.

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Yep drinking and hunting do not mix! Now I like cold one or two, but only after 5hte hunt is over for the day.

 

Years ago, on my first ever hunt, we took a family friend who shall stay unamed down by White Salmon. Peterson Ridbe area I think...back of Trout Lake. Anyway, it turned out he drank Wild Turkery all day. Made us somewhat nervous about htat. He ended up shooting a poor little fawn sized doe. We did have a doe tag though, but it was barely bigger than a dog.

 

Needless to say, we never took him hunting wiht us again.

 

Yeah I wish I had my deer tag wiht all this hunting talk! But not htis year...I might go out with my camera and see if I can get a great picture of a buck though.

 

my hunting tends to take me behind gates mile or two. I don't like road hunting...never have. Though we will keep an eye out going from area to area. I feel like I can see more out on my feet and walking slowly and sitting here and there and glassing things over.

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I also hunt for deer. I remember one time I was glassing a hillside and saw movement. Zeroed on that and it was a hunter wearing tan jacket and jeans. Very stupid!!!!

 

What did he dress out? :ph34r:

 

I would have to disagree about the 98% of hunters being responsible, I would be surprised if it is half that. That is why I bow hunt and muzzleload, too many nuts out there with guns. Sorry Logscaler, I own guns and carry them too, but the fact of the matter is that they still do a background check, not an IQ check when selling guns. I have personally had a rifle leveled at me with the safety off and a finger on the trigger while I was breaking brush on the way back to camp. I didn't find out about it until later, which is lucky for the other guy. One thing is for sure, if they shoot at me they better make their first shot count, because I will shoot back. Don't take this as a personal attack Logscaler, you may be one of the responsible hunters (I've never hunted with you so I don't know), but your being responsible doesn't make everyone else so. That's why if I venture out during "any weapon" season I look like a road construction sign.

 

The rules in Idaho do not require you to wear orange, they only suggest it. Hunters born after 1974 are required to take a hunter safety course. Hunters born prior to that either already know how to be safe or are too stupid or stubborn to be taught. I still see hunters during muzzleloading season that spend all day driving up and down the river road waiting for a deer to cross. Lazy road hunting jerks that ought to have their liscense taken away. If only I were king.....

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niskibum;

 

No offense on my part as I agree with you on pretty much everything you said.

 

I have a couple guys I work with who are trying to talk me into getting set up for chunk chucking and sliver slinging. I already have a muzzle loader kit gun - poor quality but maybe something to start with - and I have just about talked Red into letting me get set with the archery getup.

 

And I agree with you about the first shot as well.

 

And I also would have no problem with your mistrust of myself or anyone else you have never been around with a firearm. It is only self protection and something I do myself.

 

And if you really want a spooky experience, try sitting on a rim glassing for mulies and spot some one looking at you. Through their scope.

 

All and all, I have to agree with most everything said so far and those I disagree with come from a different lifestyle and have a different view of the same problem. We just have to find a middle ground. Or agree to disagree.

 

logscaler.

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I am surprised at the assumptions by both sides of this argument. Yes there are many responsible hunters, But there are also many irresponsible hunters also as can be attested to bt the number of beer cans I see an hours walk from the nearest road also.

 

I wish peoiple here would get as up in arms about those that drink and drive a multi ton vehicle as they do those that tote a gun. If you checked statistics ( and I'll admit I haven't) you will probably see many more people killed and maimed from drunk drivers than drunk hunters. Either one is wrong.

 

As far as denigrating road hunters, some day I will probably be joining their ranks someday as I have a bad heart that will eventually keep me from doing much hiking whether it be geocaching or hunting. But I would be very glad to ferry my son or grandchildren from hunting spot to hunting spot and see what I can see from my rig while doing so. I may not get something every year but I will enjoy being out with my family.

 

As far as hunting season in Washington goes, bear season startsa in Aug of each year and High country buck starts in Sept. along with archery. There are seasaons for archery, muzzleloader and modern rifle every week through the end of Nov. then it is mostly archery till the first of the year.

 

This is pretty much the same every year with minor adjustments.

 

You might be surprised that even though required to wear blaze orange I have been able to keep from being noticed by non hunting hikers on one of my high country buck hunts. I let them pass oblivious to the fact that there were hunters in the area too.

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There is a big difference between handicapped hunters that hunt legaly from their truck or atv and those slobs that are two lazy to get out of their rig. It is poaching in most states (I hear rumors that it is legal to shoot from your vehicle in WA now) and those who do it have no honor and questionable values. I put them in the same class as those who fill other peoples tags (like their moms and their wives etc) and spotlighters. I can take pride in everything I harvest, because I do it the right way.

 

I don't think the statics are really worth looking at because the shear numbers of drunk drivers completely overshadow the number of hunters. When I lived in Las Vegas they said that at any time of the day one out of every three drivers on the road had been drinking! Being concerned about one should have no bearing at all about the other.

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You'll find that WA state has some of the most restrictive and convoluted hunting laws in the country, but very advanced saftey wise. I'm not sure where you heard that rumour, but no hunting from a vehicle is allowed other than handicapped hunters. #4 in prohibited hunting methods says," Hunting wildlife from a motor vehicle is prohibited" #5 goes into not using aircraft, boats or motor driven vehicles to pursue, concentrate or harass wildlife. #6 states "Discharging a firearm from, across, or along the maintained portion of any public highway, regardless of surface is prohibited, except for the hunters with disabillities in compliance with WAC 232-12-828. I have no respect for anyone that hunts from a vehicle. If they can't get their lazy butts off the road then they deserve to get the book thrown at them. We have a local TV show called Evening Magazine and they aired a segment last month on what the WDFW does to get a few of those bozo's out of the woods. They use a robotic buck and set up a sting along a popular hyway at night. It was surprising the number of hunters that saw the buck and slammed on their brakes and got out with rifles and tried to shoot it. They should have slapped a piece of duct tape over their mouth and dressed them up in a deer suit with horns and tied them up next to that fake buck!.....:) One of the reasons why I don't hunt deer with modern firearm. You hope that most are responsible hunters, but I've seen enough idiots with rifles to stay the heck out of any area that is open in the general season. Muzzleloader is getting bad enough that I'm about to give up on that and start bowhunting.

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I always thought of glass as a noun. I was wondering why you were using it as a verb. I thought the meaning was clear, and I was intending to start using it myself too..... then after reading about logscalers creepy experience I realized aha.....it must mean you are looking through glass-the scope. Is that right?

 

and Nisikibum, once you've sauteed your first bacth of chanterelles in garlic and butter, you'll be hooked!

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I see nothing wrong with RWW's post. Humans being mistaken for deer or other big game is a very real thing. A six year study was done by the DEC (Dept. of Environmental Conversation) in the 1990's and it was reported that there were 508 hunting accidents. In 125 of those accidents, a hunter was said to be mistaken for game, and 94 percent of victims did not wear orange.

 

I did not know this person directly, but a friend of the family was hunting with another guy who shot and killed a hunter. The victim was wearing brown clothing. This was in the 1950's when there were no laws requiring the wearing of orange clothing.

 

There is also this phenomenon called buck fever. It's a condition that usually effects novice hunters, but even experienced hunters experience it. Buck fever is a condition caused by adreniline which causes the heart to race to twice the normal rate, knees to shake, and judgment to be rushed. Buck fever causes heart attacks, causes hunters to shoot from the hip, and forget to take the safety off.

 

Those who are unfortunate enough to fall under the influence of "buck fever" have been known to do such strange things as: shout "bang! bang!," lever unfired rounds on the ground, and yell for a deer to stop without firing a single shot. I even remember reading of one hunter who downed his deer and then ran to put the tag on. He ended up with his deer, but two broken legs as well. In all the excitement he forgot he was in a treestand more than fifteen feet off of the ground!

 

There are many good, safe, and responsible hunters out there. But the fact is, there are some that are not, and that is why I prefer to wear orange while out in the woods during hunting season. Here's a possibility: You're out geocaching during bear season, and an inexperienced hunter hears you, but doesn't see you yet, his adreneline kicks in, his heart races, he remembers stories he's read about bear attacks and how quick a bear can be on him, he takes the safety off and gets ready for the quick shot. As he approaches you to get sight of you, he brings his gun up to his shoulder to the ready position. Guess what, an accident is ready to happen. Your life may very well depend on whether or not you are wearing orange.

 

Thanks RWW for the warning.

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Your life may very well depend on whether or not you are wearing orange. 

And hope that the gunman is not one of those several percent of people who see orange as very dark or very light.

 

I find it disturbing that I'm expected to know where, when and how hunting takes place ("...let's see, is it peashooter season on squirrels this week or shoulder missiles on velociraptors?") and to wear specialized clothing to keep from getting shot ("...gee, I'd like to go for a hike today, so maybe I should wear this nice orange & yellow shirt I keep just for special ocassions!"). It's my land, too, and in a civilized society the people causing the harm should be the ones taking the necessary precautions, not the victims. Logscaler's caches are dangerous enough without dodging bullets! B)

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Well I am not sure how to respond to that bigeddy. But here is a start. And finish.

 

Quote : "It's my land, too, and in a civilized society the people causing the harm should be the ones taking the necessary precautions, not the victims."

 

What harm has been dumped on you?

 

And your a victim of what? Being cautious? Taking measures that may save your life? When you drive or ride in a car, You wear a seatbelt, you pay attention to your surrondings, you know and understand the traffic laws, you look for possible trouble ahead of time, right? When you go hiking, you take food, water and fire with you, right? You have a safety kit in your car with you, right?

 

Quote : "I find it disturbing that I'm expected to know where, when and how hunting takes place"

 

As for knowing where when or how, Pack your bag for the weekend and you can ride around with Red and I as we go in search of a Blacktail Buck this weekend and we can show you where when and maybe how. If things work out right, we will even teach you how to field dress and bone out a deer. Every sporting goods store in town has hunting synopsis and they are FREE. Besides that, it seems as the Deer and Elk know when to duck and cover. Just follow their lead.

 

And I can tell you right now, in Oregon firearm Mule Deer season usually starts the last weekend of September or the first weekend of October and runs about 10 days, that Blacktail season starts the same weekend and runs through about the first weekend of Novemeber with a few different Elk Seasons scattered all the way from August to December, depending on location in the state. Sliver slingers get a head start somewhere in the first of August and off and on through November, depending on which part of the state your in and the chunk chuckers get their time in there somewhere also. EVERY YEAR.

 

And I would be willing to bet your chance of getting assulted by muggers or theives while on the trail are a lot higher then getting into trouble with a hunter.

 

I am not rying to pick any fight between hunters and non hunter but this thread is starting to turn that way. I think I will bow out about........................ now.

 

logscaler.

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Did I mention that I bagged a nice fat whitetail doe on the 19th? No geocachers yet this year. I mean they're really tough. Always scurrying around in the pucker-brush, not wearing blaze orange, and some are really fast... Maybe in eight days when I go for elk... B)

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I am not rying to pick any fight between hunters and non hunter but this thread is starting to turn that way. I think I will bow out about........................ now.

 

logscaler.

Thank you logscaler for putting into words what has been my feelings.

 

I have been looked down on by others because I hunt. I have been looked down on because I use a gun. I have been looked down on because I have used a bow and arrow.

 

Yet these are the ways the people who inhabited this land ( Native Americans and early settlers) fed their families. Why can't others do this without being looked down upon as second class citizens or being lumped in with the slobs that are out there in all walks of society?

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I am not rying to pick any fight between hunters and non hunter but this thread is starting to turn that way. I think I will bow out about........................ now.

 

logscaler.

RWW posted what he thought was a friendly reminder to his fellow cachers. Many have expressed opinions on both sides of the issue and for the most part this thread has progressed fairly politely. (That's what I love about you guys by the way, you can agree to disagree and still be nice about it)

 

However, I think logscaler is right, this thread is starting to turn negative. Please keep it friendly and positive. If you can continue this subject as it relates to geocaching please continue to do so.

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In the interest of turning this back to geocaching, what's a muzzleloader? Should one wear orange during muzzleloader hunting periods as well, or would that be silly?

 

I wouldn't want to get my forest fashion all wrong. :lol:

 

I know several militant vegans and vegetarians who would have an absolute heyday with some of the things you guys have said in here. B)

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A muzzzleloader is a gun that is loaded by putting blackpowder and a slug or projectile down the muzzle end of the gun and using a percussion cap to set it off, versus putting a preloaded brass cartridge or "bullet" in the breech end of the gun.

 

Muzzleloaders are not required to wear orange except when their season overlaps with modern firearm season.

 

Wear whatever fashion you want but stay away from browns tan or black from Sept. till end of Nov. to be safe. (Although there are some hunts that go int Jan in some areas).

 

And wearing orange would be the safest way to go.

 

BTW vegans are the only ones I would listen to

when it comes to views about hunting.

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it's kind of amusing how so much of the arguing that has gone on here has been between people who seem to fundamentally agree on the topic.

 

despite all the venting of frustration about the plight of the persecuted hunter, it's been a pretty unilateral discussion. I'm sure that is partially because some people realize this is a geocaching forum and not a political one, and have refrained from mixing their own views into the mess. (Geez, if people who are on the same page can argue so much with each other, just imagine if an opposing view came along! :lol:)

 

i do appreciate the warning and think it is a good reminder and should be made by someone every time there is this risk. If I had (and ever do have) any caches in areas where hunting is permitted, I would probably disable them temporarily for the season, because I wouldn't want anyone to feel that they have to take special precautions to avoid being shot and killed while finding my cache. I think that goes a little bit beyond the expectations of "assuming all risks in searching and finding a cache". B)

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Ok, I have held back long enough. I was shot at the first weekend of hunting season several years ago and it really pissed me off. I was mountain biking on an established trail wearing a bright yellow jacket. After confronting the trigger happy individual, I learned he didn't realize that a trail was running very near his location and he was just "so excited to be out hunting again". I am not against hunting, I will have to agree with Bull Moose that there should be some kind of compentency training though. Peace, Nolenator

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I know several militant vegans and vegetarians who would have an absolute heyday with some of the things you guys have said in here. :lol:

Vegans and Vegetarians are people that only eat things that can't run away. :lol: I wish more people didn't eat meat, less competition during hunting season that way.

 

Bigeddy, I feel so bad that you are so inconvienanced for about two months out of the year. We should eliminate hunting so that you could walk around all year unincumbered. Of course then the deer and elk would soon overpopulate, start to die of starvation, and then we would have to bring back other predators like wolves. Of course, then you would have to worry about wolves year round..... The reason this is your land is that our forefathers took up arms and fought to make it that way. I'm sure they were a little concerned about being shot themselves, but they did it anyway. Suck it up, go pick up some regulations (for free) and go cache hunt in the city during those times if you don't like it.

 

Sorry, but when someone attacks one of the things that I feel passionate about I am dadgum well gonna say something. Being civil needs to be on both sides.

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I've kept my mouth shut long enough. Normally I would just ignore this topic but I must vent.

 

First of all, I'm glad that RWW has reminded people that don't hunt to remember to put on there blaze orange if they cache in the woods. Thank you so much.

 

Right now I'm just angry at some people who think a woman gets a tag so her husband or other family members can shoot her animal!!!!! Now you've offened me!! I've have shot my own deer and there is no way I would let my husband or son shoot my deer or elk. :lol:

 

I can shoot a rifle as a matter of fact. When a woman can hit bullseye in a target at a 100 yards twice in the same spot on the target. I don't think I need anyone to shoot my animals.

 

Okay I've calmed down a bit.... Now as far as my husband or son driving around on the roads. Yes, my husband has a bad heart and I know one day he may do more road hunting but the majority of the time right now, THEY GET OUT AND BUSHWACK!!

 

In fact, my husband has brought home some chanterelle mushrooms he found in the woods while he was hunting. They went very well with the blue grouse he brought home too. You don't find that by "road hunting."

 

Our 17 year old has been hunting since he was 12. He's had his Hunters Ed. class and is a good shot. He has went out many times with his dad and his grandfather and they have handed down information to help him be even a better hunter.

 

If I made people mad I'm sorry. For everyone just be careful right now. There are plenty of woods for everyone to play in................. Although I would rather take my chances in the woods right now than be in the city. That's where you could get shot!!!!!!

 

Edited: Cause I just needed to be nicer. I hate being MAD!!

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Right now I'm just angry at some people who think a woman gets a tag so her husband or other family members can shoot her animal!!!!!  Now you've offened me!!  I've have shot my own deer and there is no way I would let my husband or son shoot my deer or elk. :lol: 

Ironmaiden: I'm confused. I didn't see anybody say that, though I'm sure you run into people with that attitude from time to time.

 

Heck, I got crap for being a female when I took calculus, and that was less than 10 years ago. Sexism sucks, but we're stuck with it for the time being.

 

Really, I see this thread as mostly being pro-hunting, with very few dissenting opinions. I see no reason why the hunters feel picked on. There's idiots in every sport, and I doubt hunting is any exception except where state laws require more training and/or competency. Heck, Nolenator says he's been shot at, and that's enough to freak me out a bit.

 

Ironman: thanks for the description of a muzzleloader, all these hunting terms have been going over my head. What's the range on those things? Or does it vary?

 

Niskibum: most meat eaters I know eat only things that can't run away... I've never seen a package of ground beef fight back! :lol: If we weren't such a convenience-oriented society, you'd probably have a lot more competition.

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There is a big difference between handicapped hunters that hunt legaly from their truck or atv and those slobs that are two lazy to get out of their rig. It is poaching in most states (I hear rumors that it is legal to shoot from your vehicle in WA now) and those who do it have no honor and questionable values. I put them in the same class as those who fill other peoples tags (like their moms and their wives etc) and spotlighters. I can take pride in everything I harvest, because I do it the right way.

 

Here is the quote NomadRaven.

 

Mainly I was upset with the idea of people doing this. I have been accused of having my husband shoot my deer but that isn't the case. I guess you might say I was just getting more and more angry at what I was reading. Knowing that my family doesn't do these things. We are very responsible hunters.

 

I'm glad my husband Ironman was able to help you with your question. He's great at describing things and yes alot of things go over my head this time of year too. I think it's because I haven't been out for awhile (due to health issues) and every year rules change too.

 

Like I said earlier, Wear Orange stay safe.

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