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Reading this month's National Geographic I found an article about a Pakistani journalist following Osama bin Laden's trail through the Tora Bora area. Several times he mentions using his GPSr in his travels. He also gives the coords of a house Osama slept in during the battle in December 2001. N 34.07.080 E 70.13.209 Sure would be an interesting cache if anyone is in the neighborhood.

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LOL yeah 2.5 million bucks. There's a quote in the artice by some tribal leader in that article, "Whoever betrays [Osama] why, his life wouldn't be worth an onion." What the significance of an onion is in their culture I have no idea.

My life isn't worth an onion anyhow, may as well get a couple million for it.... :D

What were those coords again? :lol:

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I thought this was incredibly interesting that National Geographics showed the coordinates and such. I think it added a real world event to our hobby. I like being able to go put coordinates such as these in my GPS and just see where they are and stuff. I know I will probably never see these places but I think it is interesting to have real world type places/events brought up in this nature.

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No, but if it was linked to Buxley's maps, I'm sure that worldwide terrorism would have been defeated by now, ensuring a world safe for geocaching far into the future.

Well, I understand Navicache doesn't really have any rules for virtual caches, perhaps someone can list it over there as a virtual?

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I also was thinking originally that maybe some US Troops over there might want to set up a cache of some sort there. I know I have see some things going on over there geocaching related and they might find this kinda cool if they are ever in the area!

You do realize that the area is war-torn right? I doubt they'd be interested in placing a cache for someone else to open where Osama (a terrorist. hello?) used to live.

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You do realize that the area is war-torn right? I doubt they'd be interested in placing a cache for someone else to open where Osama (a terrorist. hello?) used to live.

 

Yes this region is definitley unfriendly to Americans, unless you have an M16 and some kevlar I wouldn't recommend this cache.

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I also was thinking originally that maybe some US Troops over there might want to set up a cache of some sort there. I know I have see some things going on over there geocaching related and they might find this kinda cool if they are ever in the area!

You do realize that the area is war-torn right? I doubt they'd be interested in placing a cache for someone else to open where Osama (a terrorist. hello?) used to live.

This whole country was a War Zone at one point. I see what looks like 4 cache's in the country right now. We are currently still fighting but also rebuilding the country. I can't say that someone wouldn't want to put a cache here as you cannot say that either. That is unless you have been there and know the area and then still you wouldn't know that no one would wanna do it.

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I also was thinking originally that maybe some US Troops over there might want to set up a cache of some sort there. I know I have see some things going on over there geocaching related and they might find this kinda cool if they are ever in the area!

You do realize that the area is war-torn right? I doubt they'd be interested in placing a cache for someone else to open where Osama (a terrorist. hello?) used to live.

You'd just have to add a special difficulty rating for us.

Difficulty - 19834634193183139247 847819

Terrain - 2

 

 

lol

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Thanks for posting the coordinates. Here's some fun facts about the region:

 

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Tora Bora

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Tora Bora ("black dust") is a fortified encampment with an extensive network of tunnels, located between two mountain ridges in a region of cliffs and forests which is difficult to reach by land. It is located in the White Mountains in eastern Afghanistan, southeast of Kabul and southwest of Jalalabad, near the Pakistan border. The phrase "Tora Bora region" is often seen in news reports, but it is not clear if the name was used before the camp was constructed.

 

Kabul

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Kabul (Käbool, Kbool) is the capital and largest city of Afghanistan with a population variously estimated at 2 to 4 million. It is an economic and cultural center strategically situated in a narrow valley along the Kabul River, high in the mountains before the Khyber Pass. Kabul is linked with the Tajikistan border via a tunnel under the Hindu Kush Mountains. Its main products include ordnance, cloth, furniture, and beet sugar, though continual warfare since 1979 has limited the economic productivity of the city. Kabul remains one of the most mined cities in the world.

 

Khyber Pass

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The Khyber Pass (also called the Khaiber Pass in old documents) is the most important pass connecting Pakistan with Afghanistan. It cuts through Sefid Koh mountains, part of the Hindu Kush range. For several millennia it has been an important caravan route between Central Asia and India and an imposing military barrier.

Going northwest from the eastern end, the Pass starts from near Jamrud (15km west of Peshawar) and ends just beyond Torkham, on the Afghan frontier, a distance travelled along the winding road of 53km. The route passes Fort Maude and Ali Masjid to reach the narrowest point of the pass, just 3m wide. The summit is at Landi Kotal, followed by a steep decline to Michni Kandao, Landi Khana and Torkham. Here the gradient becomes easier as the pass exits at Haft Chah onto the Dakka plain.

Jamrud is at an elevation of 491m (1610 ft), while the summit at Landi Kotal is 1070m (3509 ft). A road was built by the British through the Pass in 1879 and a railroad in the 1920s (the previous railhead was at Jamrud).

From Dakka, the Kabul River flows back to Peshawar through the Loe Shilman Gorge, a less direct and more difficult route, but the one chosen by Alexander the Great when he crossed over into India in 326 BC.

The Khyber Pass has been an invasion route ever since Alexander, with several muslim invasions of India, culminating with the establishment of the Moghul Empire from 1526. Going the other way, the British invaded Afghanistan through the Pass and fought three Afghan Wars in 1839-42, 1878-9, and 1919.

To the north of the Khyber Pass lies the country of the Mullagori Afridis. To the south is Afridi Tirah, while the inhabitants of villages in the Pass itself are Afridi clansmen. Throughout the centuries the Pashtun clans, particularly the Afridis and the Afghan Shinwaris, have regarded the Pass as their own preserve and have levied a toll on travellers for safe conduct. Since this form of extortion has always been their main source of income, they are naturally disturbed when anyone comes along to interfere with it. Hence their dislike of invading armies and penetrations, and other exercises of authority, even though some armies are prepared to pay the blackmail, in the form of allowances. Resistance from the local tribesmen has always been fierce.

George Molesworth, a member of the British force of 1919, summarised it well. "Every stone in the Khaibar has been soaked in blood."

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I can't say that someone wouldn't want to put a cache here as you cannot say that either.

I didn't say that. I said it was a dumb idea.

 

Oops. Actually I didn't say that in my last post. But it is a dumb idea.

And that is your opinion which you do have a right to, just like some things you come up with I would imagine people think are dumb.

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I thought vacation caches weren't allowed?

 

El Diablo

If you're getting Hazard pay, it ain't a vacation.

It was a joke... :lol: besides the rules say that you can't place a cache that you can't maintain. Therefore placing this cache would be outside the guidelines.

 

El Diablo

Actually it is possible that as the new Afghanistan country develops some people will probably get into this hobby. While I will admit that it is a longshot for right now, it is a possibility in the future as their ability to get ahold of technology increases.

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here we go again

Naw, I'm gonna drop it now, its getting old, He can call my ideas dumb, he is trying to make a poitn of some sort, so he can have the final word on it.

Seeing as though it's his site, if he wants the final word to be booger, I think he has a right to that.

 

 

Unfortunately, I think that the real people of Afghanistan (as opposed to the soldiers that are there) have a massively long way to go before GeoCaching ever even remotely is something they would do. You know, houses with windows, doors, electricity, running water, etc will probably come first to hiding caches in rock crevaces or war rubble. Plus they'd have to find a different container type, cause there's probably not an Afghan in his or her right mind that would check an ammo container...

Although, the longer the soldiers are there, the more chance there is for a sporadic cache or two to be placed here and there. Anything that gives them a semblance of normalicy, I'm all for it.

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I thought vacation caches weren't allowed?

 

El Diablo

If you're getting Hazard pay, it ain't a vacation.

It was a joke... :D besides the rules say that you can't place a cache that you can't maintain. Therefore placing this cache would be outside the guidelines.

 

El Diablo

Actually it is possible that as the new Afghanistan country develops some people will probably get into this hobby. While I will admit that it is a longshot for right now, it is a possibility in the future as their ability to get ahold of technology increases.

You buy lottery tickets...don't ya?? :lol:

 

El Diablo

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here we go again

Naw, I'm gonna drop it now, its getting old, He can call my ideas dumb, he is trying to make a poitn of some sort, so he can have the final word on it.

Before you all boo hoo on us again, I think the "idea" of placing the cache interesting. I think that someone actually placing the cache would be pretty dumb to do it.

 

The idea, though interesting, is unwise.

 

I didn't call you dumb, by the way. I commented on the idea which implemented would be dumb, IMO. You can't attribute every comment as an attack on your character. Well, you can, but that would be dumb.

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Interesting and I'll have to get a copy of the article from Lexis-Nexis or somewhere.

 

In the meantime, the following excerpt was pulled from the only confluence point in Afghanistan that has been documented so far:

 

Visiting CP locations in Afghanistan as can be imagined is hazardous! Minefields are everywhere, some marked, some not. Al Qaeda and the Taliban remnants are a very dangerous additional hazard, mostly in the East and South of the country, normally we have armed guards with us on these field trips. Much of the country is over 2000masl and extremely mountainous. Roads are in a dreadful state and some of the little used back roads may contain anti tank mines. Poppy and Cannabis growing is extensive in many parts of the country, and the appearance of a western expat, with a GPS and binoculars can arouse suspicions of spying on narcotic cultivation for the eradication program, which can cause a very hostile reaction.

 

I don't know if too many geocaches outside of US military installations would be warranted right now.

 

PS: Kudos to CO for doing the right thing here.

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here we go again

Naw, I'm gonna drop it now, its getting old, He can call my ideas dumb, he is trying to make a poitn of some sort, so he can have the final word on it.

Before you all boo hoo on us again, I think the "idea" of placing the cache interesting. I think that someone actually placing the cache would be pretty dumb to do it.

 

The idea, though interesting, is unwise.

 

I didn't call you dumb, by the way. I commented on the idea which implemented would be dumb, IMO. You can't attribute every comment as an attack on your character. Well, you can, but that would be dumb.

Very slick on you are. Don't boo hoo on us again. Just because I called something out that was wrong in my eyes don't start saying I am crying. I never said you were saying I was dumb, just my idea. So don't pull this hey guys, look how cool I am, he is boo hooing junk with me.

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here we go again

Naw, I'm gonna drop it now, its getting old, He can call my ideas dumb, he is trying to make a poitn of some sort, so he can have the final word on it.

Before you all boo hoo on us again, I think the "idea" of placing the cache interesting. I think that someone actually placing the cache would be pretty dumb to do it.

 

The idea, though interesting, is unwise.

 

I didn't call you dumb, by the way. I commented on the idea which implemented would be dumb, IMO. You can't attribute every comment as an attack on your character. Well, you can, but that would be dumb.

Very slick on you are. Don't boo hoo on us again. Just because I called something out that was wrong in my eyes don't start saying I am crying. I never said you were saying I was dumb, just my idea. So don't pull this hey guys, look how cool I am, he is boo hooing junk with me.

Dude you are starting to grate on nerves. You have led a charge in a couple of threads to discredit the forums. Look behind you and see who is following.

 

El Diablo

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here we go again

Naw, I'm gonna drop it now, its getting old, He can call my ideas dumb, he is trying to make a poitn of some sort, so he can have the final word on it.

Before you all boo hoo on us again, I think the "idea" of placing the cache interesting. I think that someone actually placing the cache would be pretty dumb to do it.

 

The idea, though interesting, is unwise.

 

I didn't call you dumb, by the way. I commented on the idea which implemented would be dumb, IMO. You can't attribute every comment as an attack on your character. Well, you can, but that would be dumb.

Very slick on you are. Don't boo hoo on us again. Just because I called something out that was wrong in my eyes don't start saying I am crying. I never said you were saying I was dumb, just my idea. So don't pull this hey guys, look how cool I am, he is boo hooing junk with me.

Dude you are starting to grate on nerves. You have led a charge in a couple of threads to discredit the forums. Look behind you and see who is following.

 

El Diablo

There is truth to my arguments and that bothers some....

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here we go again

Naw, I'm gonna drop it now, its getting old, He can call my ideas dumb, he is trying to make a poitn of some sort, so he can have the final word on it.

Before you all boo hoo on us again, I think the "idea" of placing the cache interesting. I think that someone actually placing the cache would be pretty dumb to do it.

 

The idea, though interesting, is unwise.

 

I didn't call you dumb, by the way. I commented on the idea which implemented would be dumb, IMO. You can't attribute every comment as an attack on your character. Well, you can, but that would be dumb.

Very slick on you are. Don't boo hoo on us again. Just because I called something out that was wrong in my eyes don't start saying I am crying. I never said you were saying I was dumb, just my idea. So don't pull this hey guys, look how cool I am, he is boo hooing junk with me.

Dude you are starting to grate on nerves. You have led a charge in a couple of threads to discredit the forums. Look behind you and see who is following.

 

El Diablo

There is truth to my arguments and that bothers some....

There is ignorance to your posts...and that is what bothers most.

 

El Diablo

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