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I found a TB that isn't a GS/GC TB or coin it is www.Geokrety.org - a free alternative travel bug

 

It asked to be moved from cache to cache. Several Geo Cache sights support but not Navicache or Ground Speak Geocaching.com

 

It asked that when it is placed into a cache that you not only provide the GC number but also the coordinates.

 

I'm not sure but I think that is providing protected GS data to an outside source which apparently isn't approved for access.

 

Would like some guidance here. Do I provide the coordinates to a Geocaching.com cache listing to an outside source?

 

Sorry if this has been addressed (surely it has) but I did a search and came up empty.

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My thought is if you are not a member of geocaching.com the coordinates to any cache are not visible. You must sign up and agree to the terms and conditions 1st.

 

My other thought is what a real PITA these are to log and track compared to regular GC TBs - it seems folks have a hard time with them as it is. I don't see these lasting long in the wild. But what do I know.

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My thought is if you are not a member of geocaching.com the coordinates to any cache are not visible. You must sign up and agree to the terms and conditions 1st.

 

I'm not sure. Someone from Groundspeak will have to answer that.

 

This is only partially true.

 

Once you have the GC number, you can go to wap.geocaching.com and see the coordinates without ever logging into the site. They don't require a login for the WAP site, but they do require the GC number.

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My thought is if you are not a member of geocaching.com the coordinates to any cache are not visible. You must sign up and agree to the terms and conditions 1st.

 

I'm not sure. Someone from Groundspeak will have to answer that.

 

This is only partially true.

 

Once you have the GC number, you can go to wap.geocaching.com and see the coordinates without ever logging into the site. They don't require a login for the WAP site, but they do require the GC number.

 

Good point I actually use that application and you don't need the GC number either - you can search without logging in. I usually log in if I intend on posting while in the field or if I want premium member only to show up in the search.

 

I was hoping for a GS reply. Perhaps it isn't a concern?

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If the cache is a traditional (single stage) non-puzzle or multi then you aren't giving away anything that couldn't be accessed by the average cacher. i.e. someone interested in finding a cache location.

 

I tend to stay away from non-gc.com trackable hitchhikers.

 

After some thought even on Mystery and multi Caches if you are only giving the cache listings coordinates like would be the case for any GC TB anyway you aren't giving the actual coordinates to the exact location, again only the starting point so with respect to the cache owner you aren't giving anything away.

 

However, as mentioned before you are giving GC cache id and coordinates to an outside source that if they were not on the up and up could use those coordinates to use as a listing of caches for a different site... I think I'm way over worried and there has been not a peep from anyone else concerned, it would appear to just be me.

 

With that said; I'm going to play it through because I accepted the responsibility by picking it up, thus I need to send it on to its way... I still can't see how saving $4 is worth the hassle... Again Just me... I'll stay clear of these in the future. Sorta like the coin copies just not the same as the real thing. :drama:

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Ever read the Geocaching.com Disclaimer on every cache page?

 

The bottom reads:

 

This website is for personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, excerpt, distribute, transmit, publish, license, create derivative works from, or sell any information, or services obtained from this website.

 

Other products and companies referred to herein are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective companies or mark holders.

 

Individual geocaches are owned by the person(s) who physically placed the geocache and/or submitted the geocache listing to geocaching.com.

 

Groundspeak Inc. reserves the right to change the terms, conditions, and notices under which this website is offered.

 

Just saying...

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My thought is if you are not a member of geocaching.com the coordinates to any cache are not visible. You must sign up and agree to the terms and conditions 1st.

 

I'm not sure. Someone from Groundspeak will have to answer that.

 

This is only partially true.

 

Once you have the GC number, you can go to wap.geocaching.com and see the coordinates without ever logging into the site. They don't require a login for the WAP site, but they do require the GC number.

 

Good point I actually use that application and you don't need the GC number either - you can search without logging in. I usually log in if I intend on posting while in the field or if I want premium member only to show up in the search.

 

I was hoping for a GS reply. Perhaps it isn't a concern?

 

Interesting point! (I too would like to hear from GS). I am leaning towards not a concern though. First off, these Geokretens appear to be European, and there are less than 5,000 of them. There were two U.S. based alternative TB websites, but one is long dead, and the other might as well be. :lol: There are also at least 10 alternative Geocoin tracking websites. All of these way pre-exist the requirement of needing an account to view cache coordinates, which was 2007. I never thought twice about using them, to be honest. I've used the website for old Canadian Geocoins within the past 3 months or so.

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Hi everyone,

 

I have checked with Brian, and his definitive answer is that these 'rogue' TBs are not of concern to us - reviewers and GS staff. We cannot govern their usage, and Geocachers are allowed to give out GC codes. I hope that helps, and puts minds at ease.

 

Sandy

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Hi everyone,

 

I have checked with Brian, and his definitive answer is that these 'rogue' TBs are not of concern to us - reviewers and GS staff. We cannot govern their usage, and Geocachers are allowed to give out GC codes. I hope that helps, and puts minds at ease.

 

Sandy

 

Thanks!! I was sort of figuring this. Original Canadian Geocoins have been around since 2002. And off the top of my head there are (were) California Geocoins, Texas Geocoins, Northern NY Wooden nickels and several more with their own tracking websites.

 

All a moot point, no one in any significant numbers logs these things anyways. ;) I haven't received a traveler tag log in about 3 years for the ones I own.

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Geokrety's are Travel Buugs and part of opencaching -http://www.opencaching.de/index.php?locale=EN -another listing site for caches over here in Europe...

 

If they (Geokrety's) are in a Groundspeak listed cache, that cache could be listed as an OpenCaching cache as well.

 

Just list the GC code of the cache that you found the traveler in, or leave it where it is!

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This strikes me as a weird question and a weird thread.

 

Cache ID's and coords are not private by any means. What is the difference between this and Marky's sig item site?

 

It's just a way to have reasonable priced trackables. I'm surprised how many people track our poker chips!

 

This is the same as traveler tags.

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This strikes me as a weird question and a weird thread.

 

Cache ID's and coords are not private by any means. What is the difference between this and Marky's sig item site?

 

It's just a way to have reasonable priced trackables. I'm surprised how many people track our poker chips!

 

This is the same as traveler tags.

 

Asking if it's okay to post gc.com cache coordinates on another site is a fair question. Heck, gc.com was even willing to review the topic and answer it.

 

I didn't even consider some gc.com requirement at first, I was thinking about what it would mean if people posted final coords of a puzzle cache.

 

I think we're past this one now.

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The GC code or name wasn't the issue.

 

The issue was that they require the coordinates, cache ID and Cache Name....

 

If were to set up a rouge cache listing site that's pretty much all I need info wise.

 

Sorta like Facebook, when you're asked to supply your Email account for an application for verification - it's not Facebook asking they already have it - if you enter your Email address most likely you're going to get stuff you might not want or even asked for. It's like stealing information rather than going through proper channels and approval to get the information. Sometimes these Channels and Approvals are put in place to protect the privacy of the user and or web site information. When you supply the info you defeat the protection and then you wonder why you are getting all this junk - then who do you blame? Why Facebook of course... Sigh

 

Geokrety.org

Now we support waypoints from:

 

* OP.... -- OpenCaching: Polish database

* OC.... -- OpenCaching: German database

* OK.... -- OpenCaching: UK database

* OZ.... -- OpenCaching: Czech database -- updated manually from time to time

* GA.... -- GeoCaching Australia -- updated daily (lat, lon, cache name, link)

* TR/VI/MS/EX.... -- GeoCaching Russia -- updated manually (lat, lon, cache name, link)

* GE.... -- gpsgames.org database -- updated daily (lat, lon, cache name, link)

* unique name -- geopeitus.ee -- Estonian database -- updated daily (lat, lon, cache name, link)

* GR.... -- Geocaching Romania -- romanian database -- updated manually

* GC.... -- Geocaching Hungary -- hungarian database -- updated daily

* WPG -- WaypointGame -- Polish Waypoint Game mainly for generating map -- updated daily

 

Partialy supported waypoints

From waypoints listed below we can generate a proper link to the cache:

 

* GC.... -- GeoCaching.com

* N..... -- Navicache.com

 

But maybe in the future we will be able to do more. So enter the waypoint anyway.

 

How to log dropping to geocaching.com cache

GC waypoints are not fully supported by geokrety (due to restrictive politics of Groundspeak). However you can easily use GeoKrets witg GC caches. Eg. to log dropping GeoKret to GC cache, in the section New location:

 

1. Provide the waypoint name. The information aboout not supporting this waypoint should be shown.

2. Enter the lat and lon of the cache. You can simply copy-paste that from the cache page.

 

I just felt it better to ask first... I was brought up that the only dumb question is the one asked after you screwed it all up.

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Hi everyone,

 

I have checked with Brian, and his definitive answer is that these 'rogue' TBs are not of concern to us - reviewers and GS staff. We cannot govern their usage, and Geocachers are allowed to give out GC codes. I hope that helps, and puts minds at ease.

 

Sandy

 

Thanks Sandy

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I have checked with Brian, and his definitive answer is that these 'rogue' TBs are not of concern to us - reviewers and GS staff. We cannot govern their usage, and Geocachers are allowed to give out GC codes. I hope that helps, and puts minds at ease.

 

Sandy,

 

just to get this clear: Is it allowed to give out GC codes *and* the corresponding coordinates or is it just allowed to give the GC code without coordinates?

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just to get this clear: Is it allowed to give out GC codes *and* the corresponding coordinates or is it just allowed to give the GC code without coordinates?

Just for the record: The "corresponding coordinate" means the listed coordinate and not the final coordinate of a mystery- or multicache!

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